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Best Buy also has the 49", 55" and 60" as coming soon. They may be only placeholders but it's progress!

They don't show up if you click the M-Series link on that "splash page", but they do if you look at the list of all TVs filtered for Vizio.

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None of the M-Series models that they're listing are from the 2014 line; 3 of 13 E-Series models that they're listing are from 2013, the rest are 2014.
I was just responding to Keenan showing him where it said coming soon for the P series. I was paying no attention to the M Series

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I was just responding to Keenan showing him where it said coming soon for the P series. I was paying no attention to the M Series

It was just an observation. Turns out that they have "coming soon" entries for three 2014 models, it just doesn't show them when you click through that link.

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Mine arrives tomorrow. (M652i-B2)

Now I'm a little worried about the fact that it's disappeared from their site. Hope there's not a recall or something about to happen.
I wouldn't worry about that, I just think these things are selling as quick as they hoped, just not as quick as they can keep up with! Looking forward to your impressions for sure, so far the 60" has had good reviews, we are all just hoping the same holds true for the 65". You tell us!
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I wouldn't worry about that, I just think these things are selling as quick as they hoped, just not as quick as they can keep up with! Looking forward to your impressions for sure, so far the 60" has had good reviews, we are all just hoping the same holds true for the 65". You tell us!
Well, I got the TV (M652i-B2) delivered earlier this morning. First off, it's ridiculously large, but I kinda expected that, coming from a 40".

Anyways, I've only had 5 mins with it, as I had to go back to work, but I can say from initial impressions that A) the brightness seems very adequate (manual states 400 nits), and B) the colors seem very good.

Again, I haven't tuned or touched anything. Matter of fact, I skipped the setup altogether, as I needed to show the delivery guys that it worked fine and be on my way back to work.


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Oh oh, not good

Vizio M602i-B3 LED TV Review

http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...-led-tv-review

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We've seen reports of the color oddities they've seen, of course usual it's on the E series. CNet made a similar comment saying there was a slightly red tinge, but didn't go at length about accuracy being off like this one did. It's good to have many reviews though so that a bigger picture can be seen. This could just be a bad unit as well if things were "that off".


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Having owned both I very much disagree with that review

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Vizio M602i-B3 LED TV Review

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definitely got over hyped.
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definitely got over hyped.

I'll take less than perfect color accuracy over light bleed and clouding issues any day. i.e., it still beats the pants off its edge-lit competition for overall performance.
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definitely got over hyped.

Hard to over hype a mid level TV. Seems it's performing on par with similarly priced models if not better than some.


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I'll take less than perfect color accuracy over light bleed and clouding issues any day. i.e., it still beats the pants off its edge-lit competition for overall performance.
I have to watch tv at a friends house with purple cloud/haze. I agree with your. Color has to be way off to notice without a A/B test with a cal'd unit. As long as my blondes dont look like they have been swimming in a chlorine pool, skin doesnt look like a spray on tan, and grass doesnt look like my neighbors "forever lawn" i will be happy.

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Hard to over hype a mid level TV. Seems it's performing on par with similarly priced models if not better than some.


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Actually the M series is performing on par against the best 1080p displays from Sony and Samsung. Obviously not every M series have this color error to the degree that reviewed.com observed. Yes, The M series has been overhyped but for the most part it has been well deserved.

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I don't think that you can judge the entire M-Series by the performance of one sample of one size. We know that the LCD panels at different sizes are from different manufacturers; what's true of the 60" might not be true of the 55" or 65" models.
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I don't think that you can judge the entire M-Series by the performance of one sample of one size. We know that the LCD panels at different sizes are from different manufacturers; what's true of the 60" might not be true of the 55" or 65" models.
Agreed. No one should jump to a conclusion based on one review of one size.
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Agreed. No one should jump to a conclusion based on one review of one size.
True. However one of the niggles with last years M series was also over-exagerated reds, so it is a Vizio tendency nonetheless.
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Anyone else on fence about M552i vs E600i? Essentially same price. The 60" seems to be the better of the E-series, but the M is probably a step better.

Almost resorting to flipping a coin.
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Anyone else on fence about M552i vs E600i? Essentially same price. The 60" seems to be the better of the E-series, but the M is probably a step better.

Almost resorting to flipping a coin.
Nutts about backlight perfection, get M
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Slightly off tangent question....Ignoring price difference between PN65F8500 ("the last best plasma" - CNET) and M652i-B2, would you get the plasma now, as it is almost certain Plasmas are not going to be made any longer, or Vizio?
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Slightly off tangent question....Ignoring price difference between PN65F8500 ("the last best plasma" - CNET) and M652i-B2, would you get the plasma now, as it is almost certain Plasmas are not going to be made any longer, or Vizio?
Depending in your environment and watching habits I would almost 99% of the time suggest getting the Plasma. If you can hold out however, you may be able to get the 65P and that may be a better contender, although I don't think it will match the uniformity\blacks of the F8500 it may come very close.
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That Samsung model number is PN64F8500 correct? a 64" display, not a 65"? Or are you guys talking about a different display?
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Yep that was a typo - should be PN64F8500 not PN65...
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Yep that was a typo - should be PN64F8500 not PN65...
Okay, thanks, I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something.
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I got rid of a vt60. Honestly i wasnt impressed. It was ok i guess. Leds look better imo. Plasmas are ok but they lack that pop.
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Vizio M602i-B3 LED TV Review

http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...-led-tv-review

I just tried the review's calibration settings on my M602i-B3 and the color looked terrible. CNets calibration settings look way better. There may be a typo in reviewed.com's since I can't believe they made the red saturation in the color tuner 50. But then again I don't know where they are finding the settings for "High" and "Low" red, green, and blue.......

EDIT: looking at their other reviews for TVs I realize maybe the "High" and "Low" red, green, and blue may be their results and not settings, someone please correct me I don't usually look at their reviews.

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Seems like the set calibrated very well.

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Seems like the set calibrated very well.

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No joke, I can't believe the reviewer came down so hard on the set for that minuscule red error when everything else seemed so spot on. I can only imagine what he must've thought about the sharp elite when he saw it. "Meh, cyan is off. Better off with a Vizio E if you're a real video purist.."

I can only suspect it somehow looked worse in person because that calibration seems more than acceptable for all but the most finicky color conscious viewers.

One thing I'm beginning to notice however is just how varied these sets are, seems no two calibrate the same. Interesting.
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Slightly off tangent question....Ignoring price difference between PN65F8500 ("the last best plasma" - CNET) and M652i-B2, would you get the plasma now, as it is almost certain Plasmas are not going to be made any longer, or Vizio?

I was actually counting on Samsung to come out with a 7 series version of the F8500 panel but that's not going to happen. The base of the F8500 is too wide for my TV stand and I have a hard time paying for a bunch of smart interactive features that I find useless. This unicorn model was to be my plan B in the event the P series doesn't pan out.


As it is I'm not sure what kind of answer you're looking for especially from this thread. Personally I'm willing to give up a bit of overall PQ for the benefits of a larger screen size and worry free image retention. That is if the LCD panel doesn't have issues of strayed light which the M series mostly does, even outdoing Sony's $8000 plus XBR-X900B.


If the P series can get closer to reference level color accuracy then Vizio is going to have a killer set.


As it is Katzmaier was able to get better color accuracy out of his 60" M series sample than Neikirk was out of his 60" sample. Perhaps it comes down to Katzmaier being a more experienced ISF certified calibrator. In any event the two calibrated picture modes should get you closer to acceptable standards then they apparently do now.

I guess my question to more technically minded television enthusiasts is this, can this so called red push be fixed with a firmware update?

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The fact that they increased High Green in the 2 point Grayscale control indicates that they either didn't know what they were doing or it was an attempt to adjust Gamma incorrectly.

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I got rid of a vt60. Honestly i wasnt impressed. It was ok i guess. Leds look better imo. Plasmas are ok but they lack that pop.
As an owner of three plasmas including a 65VT50 and a 65VT60 I couldn't disagree more. Both (by different means) can output luminance at 50 foot Lamberts yielding outstanding contrast. Unless the sun is shining on your screen you generally don't need more.

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If the P series can get closer to reference level color accuracy then Vizio is going to have a killer set.
I agree. The P and probably especially the R series, assuming they obtain Sharp Elite blacks, have a chance to be the TV's of the year, OLED not included.

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