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Cant decide between the 65 and 70 inch P.

I know people always say go bigger, but I don't want to overwhelm the living room
No such thing...

My company installs tvs and I've yet to hear someone say the tv is to big. You will not regret getting the biggest tv you can afford. Unless of course the size won't fit in a cabinet, on the wall, etc....
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Cant decide between the 65 and 70 inch P.

I know people always say go bigger, but I don't want to overwhelm the living room

You need the 120" R TV set
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Anyone else try a NTFS formatted thumbdrive with their 2014 Vizio? I have an E400i-B2 that actually turns itself off when it tries to read from an NTFS drive. Well, sort of. I have 3 files on it (two 1.3GB and one 7.6GB). The two smaller files play just fine, but the big one causes the TV to shut off. I know that NTFS is not officially supported but I needed to play that 7.6GB file and thought I'd give it a try. Thoughts?


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Cant decide between the 65 and 70 inch P.

I know people always say go bigger, but I don't want to overwhelm the living room

I'm also not a member of the "bigger is better" club. I like everything in a room to scale properly. For a given resolution, I've always found that a smaller screen provides a sharper picture because of increased pixel density. Same reason that a 4Mp digital camera takes better pics than a 2Mp camera. For some, however, the "immersion" aspect of a bigger screen trumps PQ.
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Cant decide between the 65 and 70 inch P.
I know people always say go bigger, but I don't want to overwhelm the living room
1. What size set is there now?
2. What are the dimensions of that room?
3. How far away do you sit?

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Anyone else try a NTFS formatted thumbdrive with their 2014 Vizio? I have an E400i-B2 that actually turns itself off when it tries to read from an NTFS drive. Well, sort of. I have 3 files on it (two 1.3GB and one 7.6GB). The two smaller files play just fine, but the big one causes the TV to shut off. I know that NTFS is not officially supported but I needed to play that 7.6GB file and thought I'd give it a try. Thoughts?

Not sure this set can handle high bitrate or large files (E or M). I would not recommend using it as a media player for video, but rather get a separate player to handle those duties. The media player function is more of an afterthought with these TVs.
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So a local dealer in canada down where i live is actually selling the 55" Vizio E, problem is, is that it's refurbished.....Couldn't they of swapped panels, or done something weird to alter the picture for the worse or this and that? I probably won't go for it, my brother's heading down to the states for me next week anyways and picking one up brand new.

The weird thing is, the pricing on the refurbished vizio is still 699 which is it's regular price.
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I hate to ask a dumb question like this, but I've been searching for a couple days now and I can't seem to find a solid answer.

I'm waffling between the E400i-B2 and M422i-B1. As far as picture quality goes I'm probably fine with the $100 cheaper E series one, but gaming is the thing that concerns me the most and I just can't seem to find which is better lag-wise. Anyone happen to know?
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Not sure this set can handle high bitrate or large files (E or M). I would not recommend using it as a media player for video, but rather get a separate player to handle those duties. The media player function is more of an afterthought with these TVs.
Oh I have a HTPC attached but wanted to send my stepson a copy of the Seahawks pre-season game. Further experiment was to try a less than 4GB clip and it plays fine. Encoded as a 720P AVC in an MP4 container.


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Nothing for any of the other models yet, not seeing anything for the 50, the 60, 65, or 70.

Correction--the 70" popped up on Amazon on the 11th, a few of days before the 55" showed up on the 14th.

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Interesting tidbit I saw in a blog post about this weekend's VE Shootout:

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There will also be a Vizio M652i-B2 flat panel back-lit with local dimming LED LCD HDTV on-hand. However, it will not be voted on as it did not perform well enough to be included in the final group.

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And it didn't fit the price point hehehehe
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Yeah, the $1500 65" Vizio M was not in the same league as the $120,000 105" Samsung 105S9 - who'da thunk!!!
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I hate to ask a dumb question like this, but I've been searching for a couple days now and I can't seem to find a solid answer.

I'm waffling between the E400i-B2 and M422i-B1. As far as picture quality goes I'm probably fine with the $100 cheaper E series one, but gaming is the thing that concerns me the most and I just can't seem to find which is better lag-wise. Anyone happen to know?
From what I've heard the E Series is better when it comes to lag.
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Yeah, the $1500 65" Vizio M was not in the same league as the $120,000 105" Samsung 105S9 - who'da thunk!!!

Well, it didn't make the cut for the 1080p sets, which are two OLEDs and the out-of-production plasma which won last year's Shootout (all 55"). I suppose that's understandable .

Man, I wish that I could afford one of those OLEDs! (EDIT: No I don't; image burn-in eliminates them from consideration given my use of the panel as a monitor for this PC and for video gaming).

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Well, it didn't make the cut for the 1080p sets, which are two OLEDs and the out-of-production plasma which won last year's Shootout (all 55"). I suppose that's understandable .

Man, I wish that I could afford one of those OLEDs! (EDIT: No I don't; image burn-in eliminates them from consideration given my use of the panel as a monitor for this PC and for video gaming).

The 8500 is 64 and not out of production yet. It will be soon however.
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The 8500 is 64 and not out of production yet. It will be soon however.
And it's also positioned very high up without being tilted down, so more or less guaranteed to do poorly this year. The 8500 will be the poorest-performing 1080p TV in this year's shootout (thanks to the Vizio M being eliminated).


Samsung has no interest to have a TV they have decided to end-of-life do well in the shootout. Good thing for them that the Vizio M did not make the cut (and possibly no coincidence :-).
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From what I've heard the E Series is better when it comes to lag.
The 55" panel has 27ms of lag with Active LED lights set to off when in custom mode.
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The 55" panel has 27ms of lag with Active LED lights set to off when in custom mode.
Did you ever buy a television, Mr. Obsessed-with-Display-Lag?
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No such thing...

My company installs tvs and I've yet to hear someone say the tv is to big. You will not regret getting the biggest tv you can afford. Unless of course the size won't fit in a cabinet, on the wall, etc....
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I'm also not a member of the "bigger is better" club. I like everything in a room to scale properly. For a given resolution, I've always found that a smaller screen provides a sharper picture because of increased pixel density. Same reason that a 4Mp digital camera takes better pics than a 2Mp camera. For some, however, the "immersion" aspect of a bigger screen trumps PQ.
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1. What size set is there now?
2. What are the dimensions of that room?
3. How far away do you sit?
You guys are tough I have my Samsung 55ES8000 in there now, feels small.

The room is a large rectangle, open concept deal, with the family room on one end and the kitchen on the other. There is a large sectional that runs the length of the living room, and the TV is in the far corner due to the fireplace.

So you can be as close as 7 feet or as far as 12 feet when sitting on the sectional. You can also be 20 feet away sitting at the kitchen table, or 25-30 feet cooking dinner.

My ES8000 settings, calibrated with an i1D3 and calman:
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I want to start by saying it is completely understandable that the m652i didn't make it to the voting round if the shootout vs 2 oled and the f8500. However is anyone else a little disappointed. It would have been nice to see the oled compete in their own class ( I know there are only 2 maybe 3) and the more practical TVs such as the f8500 and the H8000 or 7150 along with the other brands compete in a budget series against the m652. I know why they didn't do it but it still would have been really nice to have a standing comparison between all the major competitors on non flagship models.
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Did you ever buy a television, Mr. Obsessed-with-Display-Lag?
With due respect, probably not, as anyone who is conceivably going to use a P for arguably it's main purpose right now (as a pc monitor) probably wants to know how the 70 performs, if not relative to the 65 (and hence 60/55).

Prevailing wisdom using past auo vs sharp products would suggest they very well could be on opposite sides of a threshold like 20/41ms, but hdmi 2.0/HVM could change things. That may not matter to you, but it is increasingly important to a lot of people...including Vizio to the point they made a mode and huge marketing push behind keeping it lower.

Personally, one of the main reasons I didn't preorder a 70.

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I hate to ask a dumb question like this, but I've been searching for a couple days now and I can't seem to find a solid answer.

I'm waffling between the E400i-B2 and M422i-B1. As far as picture quality goes I'm probably fine with the $100 cheaper E series one, but gaming is the thing that concerns me the most and I just can't seem to find which is better lag-wise. Anyone happen to know?
Official 2014 Vizio Exxx-Bx Series owners thread

That's the best I could find.
All these input lag numbers and not a single source when posting.
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Official 2014 Vizio Exxx-Bx Series owners thread

That's the best I could find.
All these input lag numbers and not a single source when posting.
I think the E series is probably the best for low input lag. I use the E600i-b3, and all games play great.

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...anyone who is conceivably going to use a P for arguably it's main purpose right now (as a pc monitor)...

"Arguably"??? The main purpose of the P-Series is not mainly to be used as PC monitors (though mine will be, as well as a monitor for many other devices). I doubt that any truly significant percentage of buyers will use them for that. What's your argument that their main purpose is that?

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You guys are tough I have my Samsung 55ES8000 in there now, feels small.
The room is a large rectangle, open concept deal, with the family room on one end and the kitchen on the other. There is a large sectional that runs the length of the living room, and the TV is in the far corner due to the fireplace.
So you can be as close as 7 feet or as far as 12 feet when sitting on the sectional. You can also be 20 feet away sitting at the kitchen table, or 25-30 feet cooking dinner.
At least a 65", if not a 70" depending on your budget.

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At least a 60", if not a 65"
yea Im debating 65 vs 70

My ES8000 settings, calibrated with an i1D3 and calman:
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Then it boils down to cost.

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With due respect, probably not, as anyone who is conceivably going to use a P for arguably it's main purpose right now (as a pc monitor) probably wants to know how the 70 performs, if not relative to the 65 (and hence 60/55).

Prevailing wisdom using past auo vs sharp products would suggest they very well could be on opposite sides of a threshold like 20/41ms, but hdmi 2.0/HVM could change things. That may not matter to you, but it is increasingly important to a lot of people...including Vizio to the point they made a mode and huge marketing push behind keeping it lower.

Personally, one of the main reasons I didn't preorder a 70.

Not sure you've been around for all of the posts the member Michaelscott was referring to has made. As far as a remember the e was the set as m was stretching the budget, P series would not be in the budget. He's not using it for a PC monitor either but for classic games and WiiU.


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Cant decide between the 65 and 70 inch P.

I know people always say go bigger, but I don't want to overwhelm the living room
I read this earlier, think it's wise and try to live my life by it: "TV screens are like t-shirts - they always shrink with time"
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