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Not sure why people are worried about powering up their main system to watch tv. I have a large home theater system, and it only runs 45watts, which is nothing. I thought myself that it would draw a great deal more power, but doesn't take much at all.

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I think you are being far too optimistic on the availability and pricing of the R series. The holiday shopping/black friday season is for the E-series, maybe the M-series. The person who is buying the R-series is not waiting for a sale or a deal, it is not the market.

The big question is whether Vizio is offer the 65" Reference Series only through new premium channels like Magnolia/Best Buy or also through their mainstream channels like Costco.

The 80M Series cost $4000 and is offered through Costco, so Costco also offering the 65" Series is not out of the question.

If the 65" R Series is offered through Costco, the importance of Black Friday and the Holiday Shopping Season is clear.

In addition, Vizio product launch strategy this year has been well-conceived and well-executed. The fact that they have been using Product Series release events to update attendees as to the status of the R Series under embargo points to a surprise they have in store for us before the year is out. imagic's quiet confidence that the R Series will actually materialize this year says it all...

On pricing, I'm quite confident the 65" Reference will end up being priced somewhere between $3000 and $3500 - Vizio is very unlikely to confuse themselves with Sony or Panasonic this first time around the flagship/reference track. Samsung is the only competitor Vizio is worried about (other than the up-ad-coming Chinese brands they see in their rearview mirror :-), and Samsung's 65" Flagship, the UN65HU9000 is currently $4300 on Amazon and $2900 at ECTV.

Following the 'head-stuck-in-the-2013-sand' Sony 65X950B, the closest FALD competitor to the 65" Vizio R Series is the Toshiba 65L9400U which currently has a pre-release price of $3500 on Amazon and $3300 at ABT.

The 120" Reference is probably just for show and bragging rights only, but I suspect Vizio is introducing the 65" Reference Series to sell more TVs (read: take significant market share from the Samsung UN65HU9000).

Only a few more months now :-)
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Not sure why people are worried about powering up their main system to watch tv. I have a large home theater system, and it only runs 45watts, which is nothing. I thought myself that it would draw a great deal more power, but doesn't take much at all.

I suppose if you have a rack full of boutique brand separates. I have a modest 5.1 system and I use it for everything. I can't get sound from anything without it, since I have everything switched through it, 8 devices, including this PC.

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Not sure why people are worried about powering up their main system to watch tv. I have a large home theater system, and it only runs 45watts, which is nothing. I thought myself that it would draw a great deal more power, but doesn't take much at all.

I suppose if you have a rack full of boutique brand separates. I have a modest 5.1 system and I use it for everything. I can't get sound from anything without it, since I have everything switched through it, 8 devices, including this PC.
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Not sure why people are worried about powering up their main system to watch tv. I have a large home theater system, and it only runs 45watts, which is nothing. I thought myself that it would draw a great deal more power, but doesn't take much at all.

Who's worrying? One member just said they'd use a soundbar in conjunction with their SS system for when they don't want to power up the SS. I totally understand this, sometimes you want more than TV sound but not "the full Monty". Not always about power draw either


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Who's worrying? One member just said they'd use a soundbar in conjunction with their SS system for when they don't want to power up the SS. I totally understand this, sometimes you want more than TV sound but not "the full Monty". Not always about power draw either


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Well, I guess I'm different then. There is no point to having a nice system, if you don't give it a chance to improve what your watching. There are plenty of tv shows, that have good sound effects, and great music. Sometimes I'm amazed at just how good the sound is, and you would miss out on it, if all you ran was tv speakers.

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Well, I guess I'm different then. There is no point to having a nice system, if you don't give it a chance to improve what your watching. There are plenty of tv shows, that have good sound effects, and great music. Sometimes I'm amazed at just how good the sound is, and you would miss out on it, if all you ran was tv speakers.

Sighhhhhh why is there no point? The member may use the SS for 95-98% of watching. Of course there are benefits to using the SS that's why they have one already and use it. There are also turns when they may not feel like powering on the full system and this the SB is what they would use. I really don't see the big deal *shrug*


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Sighhhhhh why is there no point? The member may use the SS for 95-98% of watching. Of course there are benefits to using the SS that's why they have one already and use it. There are also turns when they may not feel like powering on the full system and this the SB is what they would use. I really don't see the big deal *shrug*


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a 65 inch monitor seems fairly ridiculous for a monitor, but what do I know. Why not just get the P series for a monitor? Surely that is more than good enough.
My computer doubles as a HTPC. I do work all day, then roll away the office chair and lay on the bed to watch movies at night. The P-Series is definitely a good option, but I want to get the widest gamut and contrast possible as I do quite a bit of media related work being a professional designer and photographer. I would get a really good 4K monitor, but none of them are large enough to double as a television.

My current monitor is a 42" television that I've been using since 2007 that's gotten rather long in the tooth, but has been a trooper! The screen looks washed out in this image due to the brightness difference as compared to ambient, but it has been a very accurate (calibrated) display:
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Two different 50" models for sale!?!?!? Was not expecting this....

The P502ui-B1E sure is different in specs compared to the P502ui-B1 model..
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Two different 50" models for sale!?!?!? Was not expecting this....

The P502ui-B1E sure is different in specs compared to the P502ui-B1 model..
This has been discussed a little. See this.

The alternate model has 120Hz versus 240Hz refresh and 8-bit versus 10-bit color (16.7M versus 1.07B colors). One theory is that it's a budget model for big box stores like Sam's Club or Costco.

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This has been discussed a little. See this.

The alternate model has 120Hz versus 240Hz refresh and 8-bit versus 10-bit color (16.7M versus 1.07B colors). One theory is that it's a budget model for box stores like Sam's Club or Costco.
Sounds like a good theory to me. I now suspect the 50" M series is also a budget model for the wholesale retailers.

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The big question is whether Vizio is offer the 65" Reference Series only through new premium channels like Magnolia/Best Buy or also through their mainstream channels like Costco.

The 80M Series cost $4000 and is offered through Costco, so Costco also offering the 65" Series is not out of the question.

If the 65" R Series is offered through Costco, the importance of Black Friday and the Holiday Shopping Season is clear.

In addition, Vizio product launch strategy this year has been well-conceived and well-executed. The fact that they have been using Product Series release events to update attendees as to the status of the R Series under embargo points to a surprise they have in store for us before the year is out. imagic's quiet confidence that the R Series will actually materialize this year says it all...

On pricing, I'm quite confident the 65" Reference will end up being priced somewhere between $3000 and $3500 - Vizio is very unlikely to confuse themselves with Sony or Panasonic this first time around the flagship/reference track. Samsung is the only competitor Vizio is worried about (other than the up-ad-coming Chinese brands they see in their rearview mirror :-), and Samsung's 65" Flagship, the UN65HU9000 is currently $4300 on Amazon and $2900 at ECTV.

Following the 'head-stuck-in-the-2013-sand' Sony 65X950B, the closest FALD competitor to the 65" Vizio R Series is the Toshiba 65L9400U which currently has a pre-release price of $3500 on Amazon and $3300 at ABT.

The 120" Reference is probably just for show and bragging rights only, but I suspect Vizio is introducing the 65" Reference Series to sell more TVs (read: take significant market share from the Samsung UN65HU9000).

Only a few more months now :-)
That's quite a turn around for you from earlier in the year when you were critical of Vizio's launch strategy especially compared to Sharp.

As for the R series, since none of the LCD televisions at the 2014 HDTV shootout wowed the participants Vizio has a great opportunity to leave a footprint for having the best LCD television on the market. I see the P series being more of a competitor against the televisions you referenced. Also of concern to Vizio and other manufacturers is how aggressive LG will be with pricing on their OLEDs.

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That's quite a turn around for you from earlier in the year when you were critical of Vizio's launch strategy especially compared to Sharp.

As for the R series, since none of the LCD televisions at the 2014 HDTV shootout wowed the participants Vizio has a great opportunity to leave a footprint for having the best LCD television on the market. I see the P series being more of a competitor against the televisions you referenced. Also of concern to Vizio and other manufacturers is how aggressive LG will be with pricing on their OLEDs.

Don't recall being especially critical. Sharp came out of the CES blocks with both barrels blazing and launched all of their new 2014 Q+ products within a month or so. Great execution by Sharp. I might have wished Vizio had been able to launch on a similar schedule but when it became clear that the would be releasing in waves, having generally been pretty positive about the way they have performed and also managed expectations and the press. 'Undercommit and overdeliver' seems to be Vizio's mantra and launch strategy this year and I believe it has been well-executed and served them well.


In terms of all three of the points you make in your last paragraph, I couldn't agree more (on all fronts :-)


I'm guessing that we're going to end up seeing the 65" Reference selling for about half the price of the 65" LG 4K OLED (which becomes an interesting decision :-)
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