Originally Posted by Rf13
Have you done any research lol... I admire that you love all the top brands, but what have they done to warrant any loyalty this year. I considered sony, samsung, lg, and I'm still considering others. What I've noticed is that all of them being edge lit have flaws that I feel out weight whatever else they have to offer. Imo opinion seeing the banding, clouding, and flash lighting, just eliminated them from my list. Also to be fair some of vizios sets had banding and dse, but what separates them is cost. On a 3k+ set I find some of these flaws unexceptable. Most of the people here can probably afford an xbr and have seen the same flaws as I and refuse to pay a premium for it. Now granted everyone's screaming go for oled.
Well when you compare the oled to the features a set like the R series has, the choice turns into pay more for a set with 4k and less feature that has it's own issues. Then on the other hand you can go for the reference series, which shouldn't have a bad price and more features. My position is to wait for when oled matures more has either full rec 2020,HDR, etc. none of them are perfect
It's going to take well beyond today's OLED to make a perfect set ofc then they have to make perfect cameras also.
OLED has much more premium quality potential and already proven picture quality being emissive displays than a passive LCD at any cost ask anyone that owns both decent LCD and Plasma or OLED or all 3 they will tell you in a minute . At the most I would expect the R to achieve parity with Sony and Samsung but I wouldn't count them or Panasonic out just yet after all the R is going to be using the same panels or more likely LCD cells that are available to all .
I haven't seen a Visio yet that can match my 2013 Samsung Plasma ,2013 Sony LED or 2012 Toshiba LED they come close to my 2013 LG LED in daylight although the LG isn't much at night with IPS panel and no FALD Visio should handily beat it there . I don't consider any of the Visio's I saw bad at all picture wise either and the pricing is good making them a not unreasonable choice for lot's of folks IMO they beat the pants off of a lot of lesser and similar sets by a country mile .
All edge lit panels may have issues some don't as much I can respect your position on them . Arguably the excellent 1080p Sony 850B isn't far off picture wise from the much more expensive XBR's and will beat any current Visio by enough to justify any cost difference to some arguably the 800/850B is the spot in Sony's line up if you aren't into 3D .
Unfortunately Visio Didn't get P out out for a pre release press review .
P may indeed be competitively a very good value 4K set or it could be just an OK unremarkable less expensive 4K set.
P or R could be made by Foxconn or TPV (~ 25% Visio owner ) or Wistron these are all current mfr. for Visio
OTOH I don't think Sony,Samsung,Panasonic or LG are sleeping in the premium 4 K space either
Sony is rumored to be discontinuing the excellent 1080P 8 and 8.5 sets I'm sure they have something interesting in 4K
coming out for those market slots. I like the proven reliability track records with me of the brands I own .
I have owned these same brands except LG without a failure for well over 20 yrs on the sets I had before I gave them away or sold some of them except for one that went out from a power surge .
Visio is not a bad value proposition at all . I don't expect that to change with the P . The R could be interesting if they build it looks like they will. Visio seems to be doing well and making strategic moves and isn't a bad choice for many they might even become a better 4K LCD choice or at least a sensible one in many cases. R looks very good on paper so does the P. Reviews of P at rtings.com will be interesting even more so with the R .
I don't care about features that don't enhance picture quality few of them do and are best left off anyway ,a Roku and PS3/4 have plenty of IPTV functionality . Just give me a good panel ,some HDMI ports and good video board and scaler and I can take care of the rest .