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Tom Grooms's Avatar Tom Grooms
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Thanks, guess I'll be looking @ 75" Samsungs.

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I found the following review of the E480i-B2 2014 Vizio E-Series. I don't recall seeing this posted previously...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/personal/2014/03/15/reviewed-vizio-e480i-b2/6164543/
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Has there been any specs for the 2014 70" E, M, & P models that would show how far from the bottom of the TV the mounting bolts will go?

I have the E550i-B2 that I want to wall mount, but I want to upgrade later this year to a 70" for the family room. There is a ledge about waist high that I need to be above. I don't want to mount the 55" with a few inches clearance and then find out the 70" will hit the ledge.

Maybe there is some standard for this. I do know it will go from 200mm to 400mm on the way it mounts. If not, I may wait to wall mount the TV.
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You can move the mount up and down very easily. Bolt it up and don't think twice...
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I found the following review of the E480i-B2 2014 Vizio E-Series. I don't recall seeing this posted previously...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/personal/2014/03/15/reviewed-vizio-e480i-b2/6164543/

Actually it was under reviewed.com\televisions. Lee has updated his review with a video since then though.

I was expecting the cnet.com review to be published late last week, maybe they didn't get their TV when expected.
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Haven't been able to read to read this entire thread, but have the 2014 M models been released yet? If not, has a release date been announced? I plan on getting a 40" model when they're available at Best Buy, but I'm a little worried that the sales drones won't know the difference between the 2013 and 2014 models.
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Haven't been able to read to read this entire thread, but have the 2014 M models been released yet? If not, has a release date been announced? I plan on getting a 40" model when they're available at Best Buy, but I'm a little worried that the sales drones won't know the difference between the 2013 and 2014 models.

No official release date as of yet - should start to see them in May.
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I'm a little worried that the sales drones won't know the difference between the 2013 and 2014 models.

The year is revealed by the letter after the hyphen in the model number. An "A" is 2013 and "B" is 2014. For example E601I-A3 is a 2013 Vizio, while E601I-B3 is a 2014 Vizio.
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I wonder how will frozen or gravity bluray will look on 65-80 inch 4k tv.
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Good question plus i wonder how will I-Max movies would look on it...
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I was in Costco today and saw they have the 2014 LG TVs out. I'm really itching to get a new set, and the price on these LGs seems in line with the Vizio M series. Information on these LG TVs is scant as most of the 2014 LG coverage focuses on their higher end offerings - UHD, OLED, Oh my!

Can someone here sell me away from the LG LB6100 series and encourage me to be patient for the Vizio Ms? I'm rather grumpy at LG for their data collection scandal that came to light last year. I have no idea what Vizio's data collection policy is, so it may not be fair to dump on LG for something I don't know Vizio is doing or not.

- Jasen.
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...most of the 2014 LG coverage focuses on their higher end offerings - UHD, OLED, Oh my!

This seems true of Samsung as well--it's very annoying. I only see that one LG there; "LG" is not one of the choices for "Shop by Brand".
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This seems true of Samsung as well--it's very annoying. I only see that one LG there; "LG" is not one of the choices for "Shop by Brand".

I know there were more models in the store. I didn't look that close as I was with the family; just did a quick, "Hmmm... New LGs. I'll look those up when I get home."

I will say LG's Smart TV environment looks pretty sophisticated. But I'm mostly interested in picture quality vs price. I have an Apple TV, computer, and iPad for all that interactive stuff.

- Jasen.
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Reviewed.com has come out with a review of the Samsung H6350. It supports my thesis to date that Vizio will offer much better PQ at lower prices. Assuming the P series will have a street price lower than its MSRP, the H6350 comes in at a price slightly lower than the expected price of the P series with PQ not as good as the E series they tested a few weeks back (my interpretation of the review anyway).

Aesthetically the H6350 is better than the E series but that won’t be the case against the M and P series acknowledging this is subjective on my part.

So as hard as it may be wait for the new M series!

http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/samsung-un50h6350-review
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According to this, Samsung's 2014 4K FALD flat (vs curved) panels are rolling out very soon. The 55" and 60" inch models are supposed to hit the street by the end of the month, with 50", 65" and 70" models shipping sometime in May. Of course, these are much more expensive than the Vizios, but I'm still jealous. Vizio has to finish getting their 21 announced E-Series models to market rolleyes.gif. I can't fault them much, since the low end models will offer the quickest ROI.
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According to this, Samsung's 2014 4K FALD flat (vs curved) panels are rolling out very soon. The 55" and 60" inch models are supposed to hit the street by the end of the month, with 50", 65" and 70" models shipping sometime in May. Of course, these are much more expensive than the Vizios, but I'm still jealous. Vizio has to finish getting their 21 announced E-Series models to market rolleyes.gif. I can't fault them much, since the low end models will offer the quickest ROI.

These are not FALD, they are ELLD (edge-lit-local-dimming). 3rd paragraph down:

"The company's premium UNHU9000 series will feature curved-screen LED LCD panels with edge-lit local diming and a resolution of 3840 x 2160."
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These are not FALD, they are ELLD (edge-lit-local-dimming.

My bad--sorry.
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I think the 8000/9000 and maybe the 7000 series Sammie's have software based Micro - Dimming
and CE dimming . I think CE dimming is not unlike Sony frame dimming .
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Samsung TVs equipped with Micro Dimming are also equipped with CE Dimming. CE Dimming does dim the LEDs of the panel, but not locally. It dims the whole panel on darker scene. Some people do not like it, because you can actually see the whole screen dims sometimes, like in the end credits of a movie. There is no option to turn CE Dimming off, even in the service menu.
https://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+micro+dimming&rlz=1C1AVNC_enUS569US569&oq=samsung+micro+dimming&aqs=chrome..69i57.15616j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

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No official release date as of yet - should start to see them in May.

I see them on the Vizio website. Was able to add to cart also. So I am guessing they are available straight from Vizio. This was the M801i.
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I see them on the Vizio website. Was able to add to cart also. So I am guessing they are available straight from Vizio. This was the M801i.

You're looking at the 2013s.
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You're looking at the 2013s.

VIZIO 80” Razor LED™ Smart TV
(80.01" Diag.)
Model#M801i-A3
The all-new M-Series 80” (80.01 diag.) Razor LED™ Smart TV has arrived with an ultra-modern design and brilliant Razor LED™ ...

It lists three 80" TVs. D-A3, D-A3R and this one above. The two D's say Theater 3D. This one does not. Was there an i-A3, non 3D in 2013?

http://store.vizio.com/mseries/m801ia3.html

Specs do seem off though.
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VIZIO 80” Razor LED™ Smart TV
(80.01" Diag.)
Model#M801i-A3
The all-new M-Series 80” (80.01 diag.) Razor LED™ Smart TV has arrived with an ultra-modern design and brilliant Razor LED™ ...

It lists three 80" TVs. D-A3, D-A3R and this one above. The two D's say Theater 3D. This one does not. Was there an i-A3, non 3D in 2013?

http://store.vizio.com/mseries/m801ia3.html

Specs do seem off though.

All 2013 models. The 2014 models have a B instead of an A.
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OK, got it.

I'm just anxious to get a new TV and I want an 80". Vizio most likely since there aren't many options.

My Pioneer Elite 64" TV from 2002 is getting long in the tooth.
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Hi all,

I am planning to buy the 48 inch (E480i-B2) while waiting for the 2014 M-series. I went to Costco today and noticed that the 48" on display has slight flickering on the horizontal screen edges. I compared it against a Sony and a Samsung and they did not seem to have this flickering for the same video. Any idea what's going on here? Your feedback is appreciated.

 

Thanks.


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OK, got it.

I'm just anxious to get a new TV and I want an 80". Vizio most likely since there aren't many options.

My Pioneer Elite 64" TV from 2002 is getting long in the tooth.
I wish Vizio would produce the higher end p-series in an 80". The 3d loss in the new line I understand but no 80" I don't at all. Coming from a 106" projection setup I don't think I'm willing to lose 10" for the 4k and presumably nicer features of the p-series 70" model.
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OK, got it.

I'm just anxious to get a new TV and I want an 80". Vizio most likely since there aren't many options.

My Pioneer Elite 64" TV from 2002 is getting long in the tooth.
I wish Vizio would produce the higher end p-series in an 80". The 3d loss in the new line I understand but no 80" I don't at all. Coming from a 106" projection setup I don't think I'm willing to lose 10" for the 4k and presumably nicer features of the p-series 70" model.

For Vizio to get even a single panel size at the Flagship level out this year and recognized as industry-leading would be a major accomplishment given their history.

If they do get the 65" Reference Series out in 2014 (not a given yet - there is not even a formal model number), pretty sure you can count on a wider range of panel sizes (including 80"), as well as a return of some form of 3D (they mention that they are working on 'glasses-free' 3D) for 2015...
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VIZIO 80” Razor LED™ Smart TV
(80.01" Diag.)
Model#M801i-A3
The all-new M-Series 80” (80.01 diag.) Razor LED™ Smart TV has arrived with an ultra-modern design and brilliant Razor LED™ ...

It lists three 80" TVs. D-A3, D-A3R and this one above. The two D's say Theater 3D. This one does not. Was there an i-A3, non 3D in 2013?

http://store.vizio.com/mseries/m801ia3.html

Specs do seem off though.
The M801i-A3 was added very recently, so it gets confused with the anticipated 2014 M models even though it has 2013 technology (edge lit Razor LED). They removed the 3D technology from the earlier "d" model and are calling it "i", but the A# gives it away as 2013, as others have noted. Who knows if the announced 2014 M will ever launch. The releases came to a halt weeks ago at the 60" E, and even that is only available at Vizio's online store.
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VIZIO 80” Razor LED™ Smart TV
(80.01" Diag.)
Model#M801i-A3
The all-new M-Series 80” (80.01 diag.) Razor LED™ Smart TV has arrived with an ultra-modern design and brilliant Razor LED™ ...

It lists three 80" TVs. D-A3, D-A3R and this one above. The two D's say Theater 3D. This one does not. Was there an i-A3, non 3D in 2013?

http://store.vizio.com/mseries/m801ia3.html

Specs do seem off though.
The M801i-A3 was added very recently, so it gets confused with the anticipated 2014 M models even though it has 2013 technology (edge lit Razor LED). They removed the 3D technology from the earlier "d" model and are calling it "i", but the A# gives it away as 2013, as others have noted. Who knows if the announced 2014 M will ever launch. The releases came to a halt weeks ago at the 60" E, and even that is only available at Vizio's online store.

I looked over the specs for all 3 80" M Series panels on the Vizio website, and the only way in which they differ is in terms of power consumption:

M801d-A3 Power Consumption: TBD (3D w/ 4 pairs of glasses)

M801d-A3R Power Consumption: 104.2W (3D w/ 8 pairs of glasses)

M801i-A3 Power Consumption: 105.9W (no 3D)

So the M801i-A3 does appear to be a truly different product than the M801d-A3R (aside from the removal of 3D). I have searched Vizio's website and can not find any announcement regarding the release of this M801i-A3 panel.

I posted an answer to the same question in the 2014 M-Series thread stating that this cannot be the 2014 80" M801i (which is supposed to be FALD), but this is damn confusing.

Either the FALD M801i is not going to come out until very late this year and Vizio had already EOL'd the 3D models and needed to quickly turn something around to avoid a gap (though hard to understand why they would have yanked the 3D in that case, since they already had it).

Or alternatively, there is not going to be an 80" FALD panel at all this year and so this 'non-3D' version of the 2013 model is all that will be offered at 80" this year (as Six Demon Bag and others are beginning to suspect).


Between the delays getting the 60" Es and above into the channels, the delays in the CNET review of the 2014 E-Series, and all the confusion this is creating regarding the 2014 80" M-Series, Vizio has not done anything positive of late to increase confidence that they will actually be able to deliver the P Series this year (let alone the 65" Reference Series)...
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I'd have to agree with you. Glad I picked up a VT60 when I did. I'm super excited for the potential of these 2014 Vizio's, but I have a feeling the process of getting them all to the market (esp. the P & M series)  is going to be painfuuuully slow, plus the wait-time on professional reviews.

 

Since I like to game, a plasma isn't the best option for me, but I'll keep enjoying my VT60 for now, and if Vizio (or anyone else) delivers similar or better PQ, then I'll grab it and sell the plasma.


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I wish Vizio would produce the higher end p-series in an 80". The 3d loss in the new line I understand but no 80" I don't at all. Coming from a 106" projection setup I don't think I'm willing to lose 10" for the 4k and presumably nicer features of the p-series 70" model.
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Either the FALD M801i is not going to come out until very late this year and Vizio had already EOL'd the 3D models and needed to quickly turn something around to avoid a gap (though hard to understand why they would have yanked the 3D in that case, since they already had it).

Or alternatively, there is not going to be an 80" FALD panel at all this year and so this 'non-3D' version of the 2013 model is all that will be offered at 80" this year (as Six Demon Bag and others are beginning to suspect).

I'm in the same boat as Nick in that I'm switching from a projector and am looking at the 80". I thought (and still hope) the 2014 M-series 80" was going to be the answer. FALD, minimal input lag, good price compared to competition (and last year's model).

In some ways with 4K still in its infancy this actually seems like a bad time to buy a high-end TV. If you can wait a year or two, some of the kinks will probably get worked out and there will be more content -- plus they'll only get cheaper. But I don't really have a choice -- my projector was ruined by a burst water pipe and using a spare 32" on the coffee table is only going to cut it for so long...

I agree that I was surprised about the lack of an 80" P. Judging by the in-store 4K demos, you'll want a really big screen for 4K content. Best Buy had a 55" running and I could comfortably stand about 4' from it. The chair they had about 7' or 8' away felt too far away. But maybe there's a technical reason or it would just be too expensive. The price difference between the 70" M and 80" M is already a lot.

If the 2014 80" doesn't come out, I'm not sure what I'll do. After following these threads I'm so sold on FALD I think I'll be disappointed with anything else. I'll give it some more time, though.
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