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Toshiba has their 7400 panel I believe for the 55" I believe its ~1400 US. Since you were looking at something Sub 1K and didn't seem to be even considering anything higher, there is nothing in the E price range that has FALD. Your choices will most likely all be edge lit....

I completely forgot about the Toshiba. tongue.gif are there any reviews for it yet and when will it be released?
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"Relatively dim panel throws off effective contrast ratio."

"We measured a peak brightness of 119.97 cd/m2, very low for an LED-backlit LCD HDTV"
Uhhh... Not sure how they managed that. I've seen one in person and it's not a 120cd/m^2 panel. Regardless, 120cd/m^2 is the target brightness level for calibration, so I don't really see the problem.
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I completely forgot about the Toshiba. tongue.gif are there any reviews for it yet and when will it be released?
A few places show it in stock now.
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Uhhh... Not sure how they managed that. I've seen one in person and it's not a 120cd/m^2 panel. Regardless, 120cd/m^2 is the target brightness level for calibration, so I don't really see the problem.

I prefer a contrasty' image myself, regardless of what's considered the target brightness via calibration. :P So you're saying their measurements are wrong?
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"Relatively dim panel throws off effective contrast ratio."

"We measured a peak brightness of 119.97 cd/m2, very low for an LED-backlit LCD HDTV"

"On paper, these are still very impressive numbers, but combined with a relatively dim panel they mean a lot of shadow detail simply gets lost in darkness. The textures of the black costumes and sets in the Blu-ray of Black Swan lost nearly all definition. This is fairly typical performance for a budget set, but the lack of shadow detail, the dim (for LED-backlit LCD) panel, and the oversaturated colors add up to a fairly unappealing picture."

Yup, this review just saved me $599 and a trip to the states. The Vizio E is a no go for me. I want a super bright LED, and the Vizio E just won't cut it by the sounds of it. Neither will the M i'm guessing....Sigh, what other FALD '1080p' options do i have?

Toshiba has their 7400 panel I believe for the 55" I believe its ~1400 US. Since you were looking at something Sub 1K and didn't seem to be even considering anything higher, there is nothing in the E price range that has FALD. Your choices will most likely all be edge lit....

The L7400U can be had for less than $1400. Several outfits have it for $1200 and the lowest price I have seen is $1100.
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The L7400U can be had for less than $1400. Several outfits have it for $1200 and the lowest price I have seen is $1100.
Macmall has it for under $1k.
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Macmall has it for under $1k.

Any online canadian retailers? BestBuy doesn't seem to carry it.
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I follow you, but I dont understand the advantage to be found there, especially with an Super In Plane Switching pixel. There might be an advantage with a Vertical Array, perhaps, though.

I thought the 2014 panels were not IPS....

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The L7400U can be had for less than $1400. Several outfits have it for $1200 and the lowest price I have seen is $1100.
Macmall has it for under $1k.

Yeah, it's being priced pretty aggressively. The 55" P is $1400 (for a 4K panel) while the 55" M is $900, so with a backlight that should deliver even better local dimming performance than the P, Toshiba seems to be pricing the 1080p L7400U to go toe-to-toe against the 1080p Vizio M-Series.

Can't wait to hear the first user reviews.
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Review of the 55 inch

Didn't see this posted yet. They thinks it's ok, not great

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2457369,00.asp

Thanks for the link.

"Its picture quality out of the box just isn't up to snuff, though, with wildly oversaturated colors and fairly poor shadow detail."

"If you can spend a bit more, the 50-inch Samsung UN50F5500AF offers a much better picture and connected features, and still comes in at under $1,000."

Given how well last year's E series was rated by cnet I'm going to go out on a limb and say David Katzmaier's review will align more with Lee Neikirk @ reviewed.com and not with the above.

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I follow you, but I dont understand the advantage to be found there, especially with an Super In Plane Switching pixel. There might be an advantage with a Vertical Array, perhaps, though.
I was under the impression that most Vizio displays this year were of the VA variety. It was to help take advantage of active pixel tuning and FALD.
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I was under the impression that most Vizio displays this year were of the VA variety. It was to help take advantage of active pixel tuning and FALD.

I guess we wont know for sure until all sizes are out and inspected closely...
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Any online canadian retailers? BestBuy doesn't seem to carry it.

Vizio basically pulled out of the Canadian market because they don't have service centers for warranty claims in Canada.

It's f'ing stupid.

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I have search and not found a solid answer. On the M series, are the screens matte, glossy, or semi-glossy? I have seen different posts/articles that say each one. All the lights in my living room are lamps and glossy surfaces are almost unwatchable in that environment.

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Probably will be semi-glossy as the previous generation. I had one and I found this to be no problem at all. Once the tv is on you don't notice it even in a fairly well light room.

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I have search and not found a solid answer. On the M series, are the screens matte, glossy, or semi-glossy? I have seen different posts/articles that say each one. All the lights in my living room are lamps and glossy surfaces are almost unwatchable in that environment.

I have the same question because I have 3 large windows off to the left side of where my set would go. I'll be replacing an old CRT-based Hitachi PRTV and am concerned about glare. I'm looking at the 65"/70" Vizio models and a 75" Samsung. The Vizio models are probably going to be cheaper, but from everything I've read, the Samsung offers a better overall viewing/internet experience. I was gong to buy the 2013 Samsung UN75F6300AF at Costco, but friends recommended I check here to see what Vizio will offer in their 2014 lineup. So far, the only real negative I see is that they use Yahoo and it seems to be slower than others. That probably isn't a big deal as long as the PQ is comparable.


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Review of the 55 inch

Didn't see this posted yet. They thinks it's ok, not great

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2457369,00.asp


Interesting review.  I can tell you that their review doesn't coincide with my impression of the product.

 

I am an engineer, but my area of expertise is not in calibration of display panels.  So please, take this post with a few grains of salt.  When I got the set out of the box, I knew from my experience ith my other set, a Vizio E601i-A3, that I needed to do some changes to the picture settings to get the most out of the product.  Standard mode, to me, was too vivid, oversaturated, and contrasty for my taste.  Calibrated mode, while better, was still not to my liking; as the review stated, it was a slight improvement, but not really up to what I thought the set could achieve.

 

My first attempt, using the THX app on my Nexus 10 tablet with a direct HDMI to mini HDMI connection, got me a lot closer to what is, (in my opinion) a good picture.  I then bought the Disney WOW blu-ray disc, and the Optimize section got me to the point I am at today.  (I've posted my settings earlier in this thread or the Exxx-Bx owner's thread.)

 

At this point, I have no buyer's remorse.  I have had the set for about six weeks now.  No issues thus far.

 

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I have the same question because I have 3 large windows off to the left side of where my set would go. I'll be replacing an old CRT-based Hitachi PRTV and am concerned about glare. I'm looking at the 65"/70" Vizio models and a 75" Samsung. The Vizio models are probably going to be cheaper, but from everything I've read, the Samsung offers a better overall viewing/internet experience. I was gong to buy the 2013 Samsung UN75F6300AF at Costco, but friends recommended I check here to see what Vizio will offer in their 2014 lineup. So far, the only real negative I see is that they use Yahoo and it seems to be slower than others. That probably isn't a big deal as long as the PQ is comparable.

Take a look at these videos which showcase the 2014 M's and E's....I'd guess it's semi glossy based on the video and reflections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qJvyhYWf3s

http://www.youtube.com/embed/LpeEF8BAsH4?autohide=1&autoplay=0&iv_load_policy=3&color=black&controls=1&enablejsapi=1&hd=1&wmode=transparent&modestbranding=1&rel=0&showinfo=0&theme=dark&origin=http%3A%2F%2Fces.vizio.com
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So I was browsing the tv aisle at costco the other day and I saw some vizios but didn't get the sense that they were the new and improved ones that we should be drooling over. If anyone knows a model number that's currently available at costco and worth looking at, please let me know. I'm very curious to see the LCD strides being made.
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Thanks for the links rtn5000. I had already seen the 1st one and the 2nd didn't add that much. I'm hoping Fry's might have a 4K using a standard feed so I can compare the PQ on what I'll be watching at home for the foreseeable future. I doubt I'll buy the 4K, but it's nice to know the others will probably have a semi-gloss screen.


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So I was browsing the tv aisle at costco the other day and I saw some vizios but didn't get the sense that they were the new and improved ones that we should be drooling over. If anyone knows a model number that's currently available at costco and worth looking at, please let me know. I'm very curious to see the LCD strides being made.
The viewing environment and the demo loop at Costco are such that I wouldn't expect to be wowed or have drooling induced.
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The viewing environment and the demo loop at Costco are such that I wouldn't expect to be wowed or have drooling induced.

Thanks for stating the obvious. Any model # available there that people should expect to be drooling over?
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Given how well last year's E series was rated by cnet I'm going to go out on a limb and say David Katzmaier's review will align more with Lee Neikirk @ reviewed.com and not with the above.

Based upon my six week (so far) experience with the E550i-B2, I agree with venus933.

 

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Thanks for stating the obvious. Any model # available there that people should expect to be drooling over?

The model number will have a B in it. Pretty much the 60" and smaller.

But in the store they all look the same. It wasn't till I got mine home and calibrated that it became something to drool over.

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The model number will have a B in it. Pretty much the 60" and smaller.

But in the store they all look the same. It wasn't till I got mine home and calibrated that it became something to drool over.

thank you, I'll check it out. My plasma looked a lot worse than most LCDs in the store as well until it got home, so I'm used to that phenomenon.
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screw it, i'm just gonna get the Vizio E 50" and forget that recent wonky negative review ever existed. I'm sure by maxing the contrast to 100 and Backlight to 100 the picture will(hopefully) smoke my Panny S60 in brightness. Won't settle for that Edge light shinanigans and i don't want that 55"(only) Silver edged fugly looking 55" FALD Toshiba L7400 display tongue.gif I'll take your guys word when you say the set can get very bright, to the point of scortching your eyes out hehe.I like a contrasty picture for movies and an even brighter image for nintendo games. Now, my older LK450 was a super bright LCD, but for film in a dark setting i had back light to about 68-70, in a bright setting i maxed it closer to 100 whenever i threw in a flick or cartoon just to have playing in the background. If this set can truley get brighter than the S60, i'm in. Not too worried about 'decen't shadow detail.

Also, the reviewers complaint about the colors being oversaturated is ridiculous, why not just drop the color down?.....Did he actually review the product without actually fiddling with the picture settings?
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I have the same question because I have 3 large windows off to the left side of where my set would go. I'll be replacing an old CRT-based Hitachi PRTV and am concerned about glare. I'm looking at the 65"/70" Vizio models and a 75" Samsung. The Vizio models are probably going to be cheaper, but from everything I've read, the Samsung offers a better overall viewing/internet experience. I was gong to buy the 2013 Samsung UN75F6300AF at Costco, but friends recommended I check here to see what Vizio will offer in their 2014 lineup. So far, the only real negative I see is that they use Yahoo and it seems to be slower than others. That probably isn't a big deal as long as the PQ is comparable.

I agree with your friends, at least wait for the M series and give it a chance. The specs on the 2014 models are quite impressive and I would be very surprise if the M series doesn’t handedly outperform any of the 6 and 7 series Samsung’s in terms of PQ especially with shadow detail.

As for the Smart Via apps (Yahoo), I believe the 2014 M series will have the next generation of them.

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thank you, I'll check it out. My plasma looked a lot worse than most LCDs in the store as well until it got home, so I'm used to that phenomenon.

Another quick way to tell if they're 2014 models is to look for Full Array LED verbiage instead of Razor LED (2013) on the carton.

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Another quick way to tell if they're 2014 models is to look for Full Array LED verbiage instead of Razor LED (2013) on the carton.

Yup, that makes sense. I nearly got fooled by the '2014' logo on the 2013 M series they had on clearance at the business center costco. Do you happen to know which one at costco is just the best one available there?
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I agree with your friends, at least wait for the M series and give it a chance. The specs on the 2014 models are quite impressive and I would be very surprise if the M series doesn’t handedly outperform any of the 6 and 7 series Samsung’s in terms of PQ especially with shadow detail.

As for the Smart Via apps (Yahoo), I believe the 2014 M series will have the next generation of them.

Thank you, that makes sense. I just ordered a Roamio Pro, but I'm not in any hurry for a new TV. I had been planning on waiting for holiday sales, but I'll keep checking Costco and reading this thread. Thanks to the folks here, I'm not as sold on a Samsung as I was.


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