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I do not know about all of you, but I for one, can not wait till the 80" is out wink.gif
I'd jump on it if it was a Lil closer the the 70uq17u in price not that I expect them to price their 1080p flagship 80 inches in the 3k range. But if it was in the low 4k range I'd jump on it!
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AVmanic, I just tried your settings, and movie mode does look better.  After changing the color temp from low to mid-low, the colors on screen were almost identical (by eye) to what the laptop was sending.  I tried low like you had, but for some reason mid-low just seems slightly brighter and less red to me.

 

On an semi related note, I just noticed movie mode does not work for gaming.  The crosshairs have a slight ghost/trail effect if you move them too quickly.  Switching to game mode eliminates this, but the settings for movie mode don't seem to carry over color wise.


Your right you have to calibrate for each mode game, movie, ect. I can take a look at game mode for you. It's going to be a week or so til I have time.

No worries, I understand you are doing this on your own time, so even if you don't get to it that's okay.

Could you explain the rationale for using low vs mid-low as the color temp? Is low closer to 6500K when calibrated?

Yes low is dead on 65k and I did check Mid-low and it was around 80k and that is still fine some people like a little cooler setting. It's funny but after a couple of days at 65k everything else looks off to me. But like I said enjoy what ever makes your viewing enjoyable.

Interesting. I will give it a try again and see if I can get used to it.
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I am interested if the LC-80UQ17U will be a significant upgrade from the Vizio 70" E series 2013 model I have. It has pretty accurate color but the clouding is horrible. My worry with edge lit is the screen door effect and clouding. The Vizio also has the dreaded white spots (nown defect). I worry about issues with edge lit tvs. The tv is out of warranty so an upgrade is my only good choice. Shipping a tv out of warranty in a huge box both ways is not an option. That alone stops me from ever getting a Vizio again. What a hassle. The spots developed after the warranty period.
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I am interested if the LC-80UQ17U will be a significant upgrade from the Vizio 70" E series 2013 model I have. It has pretty accurate color but the clouding is horrible. My worry with edge lit is the screen door effect and clouding. The Vizio also has the dreaded white spots (nown defect). I worry about issues with edge lit tvs. The tv is out of warranty so an upgrade is my only good choice. Shipping a tv out of warranty in a huge box both ways is not an option. That alone stops me from ever getting a Vizio again. What a hassle. The spots developed after the warranty period.

Here is the back lighting Plus 13 I think the max is 15 ... The more I turn it down it's not an issue

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I just got my 70SQ Thursday of last week.

When the backlight was set to the factory default or to use auto-dim, there was absolutely no noticeable backlight bleeding. When I tried messing with the calibration settings and using some that have been suggested here for similar Sharp models, I get about the same amount of bleeding as in Sting's picture above (I think the backlight is set to 13 also).

I've searched this thread and others, and I don't see any 70SQ specific calibration settings. I think AVmaniac mentioned he's going to post some soon. I'm looking forward to seeing what others are using. This is a great TV, but the calibration needs some work out of the box to get a good picture.
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It's been listed as pre-order "forever" now. Do you have any ideas when this will hit the streets?
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I just got my 70SQ Thursday of last week.

When the backlight was set to the factory default or to use auto-dim, there was absolutely no noticeable backlight bleeding. When I tried messing with the calibration settings and using some that have been suggested here for similar Sharp models, I get about the same amount of bleeding as in Sting's picture above (I think the backlight is set to 13 also).

I've searched this thread and others, and I don't see any 70SQ specific calibration settings. I think AVmaniac mentioned he's going to post some soon. I'm looking forward to seeing what others are using. This is a great TV, but the calibration needs some work out of the box to get a good picture.
I posted the setting a couple pages back use the higher gamma set. It will be right below the 1.18 gamma set. Let me know how they work for you.
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First set gamma 1.18.

Remember this is just a good baseline for you every panel is a little different.


System Options

Power Control - Power saving = Off


Picture Settings

AV Mode Movie

Auto Light Sensor Off

BackLight +2

Contrast +30

Brightness 0

Color -1

Tint 0

Sharpness 0


Advanced

Res Enh. Mode 1

Motion Enh. 120 High

Clear Pic Pro Off


C.M.S Hue

R -4

Y 0

G -3

C +7

B -17

M -3


C.M.S Saturation

R -6

Y +16

G -2

C 0

B +11

M 0


C.M.S all 0


Color Temp Low

R Gain Lo -1

G Gain Lo +2

B Gain Lo -23


R Gain Hi -2

G Gain Hi +27

B Gain Hi -29


Active Contrast Off

Gamma -1

Film Off

Dig Noise Re Off

Color Gamut Standard

Mono Off


Let me know how this work for you. I am always looking for feedback and to try and make improvements.
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Ok for a gamma of 2.23 same setting as above just these changes.

Forgot these setting are from the 70SQ.


Gamma -2


Color Temp Low

R Gain lo +2

G Gain lo +6

B Gain lo -23

R Gain Hi -2

G Gain Hi +23

B Gain Hi -28


Once again all other setting are the same as the above settings. Please give feed back.

Have fun all:)
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One thing I will add I'd if you like SOE turn your movie mode to standard and for well lit shows daytime turning Active Contrast to standard gives a bit more contrast. I would not use it for dark shows or movie's.
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Well, I bit the bullet, I have a LC-70UQ17U arriving Sunday. Does anyone have good recommended settings for it yet? I saw AVmanic repost his, but I think those are for the SQ right? Am I right in understanding that the UQ settings out of the box are pretty good, (once taken out of torch mode)?

Thanks, and looking forward to some fun times ahead!
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Well, I bit the bullet, I have a LC-70UQ17U arriving Sunday. Does anyone have good recommended settings for it yet? I saw AVmanic repost his, but I think those are for the SQ right? Am I right in understanding that the UQ settings out of the box are pretty good, (once taken out of torch mode)?

Thanks, and looking forward to some fun times ahead!
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You know, I have to say all of you early UQ and SQ owners seem to be pretty happy with your purchases so far. And it seems like there is more activity and new owners on this thread than others (at least as far as 2014 models since Sharp seems to have been the quickest out of the gate except for the small-size Vizio E panels).

Sharp's Q+ strategy of 1080p+/4K- and getting product into the channels quickly with the necessary discounting to quickly grow demand for those products seems to be paying off well for them.

Because they are edge-lit, I've been concerned about black level but all of you seem pretty satisfied so far.

And my other question is whether the Super Bright backlight and 1.5x contrast ration of the UQ is visible enough in terms of improved PQ to justify the premium.

I hope CNET or HDTVTEST does a side-by-side review and comparison of the SQ and UQ soon.
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You know, I have to say all of you early UQ and SQ owners seem to be pretty happy with your purchases so far. And it seems like there is more activity and new owners on this thread than others (at least as far as 2014 models since Sharp seems to have been the quickest out of the gate except for the small-size Vizio E panels).

Sharp's Q+ strategy of 1080p+/4K- and getting product into the channels quickly with the necessary discounting to quickly grow demand for those products seems to be paying off well for them.

Because they are edge-lit, I've been concerned about black level but all of you seem pretty satisfied so far.

And my other question is whether the Super Bright backlight and 1.5x contrast ration of the UQ is visible enough in terms of improved PQ to justify the premium.

I hope CNET or HDTVTEST does a side-by-side review and comparison of the SQ and UQ soon.


I am happy with my UQ and I know it can be better. I dont know how to dial color settings like Avmanic and others. The build on the UQ is well done and its heavy as hell. The only thing i don't like so far is/was setting up wifi. I plan on running thru my oppo/ ps4/xbox one so its a non issue.
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Here is the back lighting Plus 13 I think the max is 15 ... The more I turn it down it's not an issue
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Here is the back lighting Plus 13 I think the max is 15 ... The more I turn it down it's not an issue


That is quite promising. Not sure how long I can wait. I am hoping to see a price drop in the next 30 days or so.
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Here is the back lighting Plus 13 I think the max is 15 ... The more I turn it down it's not an issue


That is quite promising. Not sure how long I can wait. I am hoping to see a price drop in the next 30 days or so.

Sharp's fiscal year ends March 31st, so best option to find better pricing would be specials on March 30th or 31st...
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Sharp's fiscal year ends March 31st, so best option to find better pricing would be specials on March 30th or 31st...

The LC-80UQ17u releaes then (31st). Do you really think they will discount the new release model then?
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Sharp's fiscal year ends March 31st, so best option to find better pricing would be specials on March 30th or 31st...

The LC-80UQ17u releaes then (31st). Do you really think they will discount the new release model then?

Sharp has discounted the 60" and 70" SQ and UQ TVs prior to first shipments (by as much as 35% off of MSRP).

They have a condition on a significant loan to be profitable this year.

If they are already over the hump and sure to be profitable based on the early success they have had in selling the SQ and UQ this quarter, they may relax a bit on the 80" and take a more casual approach to eventual discounting.

If there is any chance that profitability might be missed based on where sales have been heading into the last days of March, I would not be at all to see significant pre-release discounts offered to drum up last-days f the quarter sales.

  • LC60UQ17U, 60" flat 1080p+/4K- edge-lit LED/LCD, $3000 MSRP, current street of $2200 (27% discount)
  • LC70UQ17U, 70" flat 1080p+/4K- edge-lit LED/LCD, $4000 MSRP, current street of $3000 (25% discount)
  • LC80UQ17U, 80" flat 1080p+/4K- edge-lit LED/LCD, $6500 MSRP, current street of $5500 (15% discount)

It's still only listed as 'Available for pre-order', but as we approach the end of the month, it's possible that you could see further discounting down below the $5000 level...
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WHERE DO YOU SEE 2200.00 FOR 60"  UQ

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Sharp has discounted the 60" and 70" SQ and UQ TVs prior to first shipments (by as much as 35% off of MSRP).

They have a condition on a significant loan to be profitable this year.

If they are already over the hump and sure to be profitable based on the early success they have had in selling the SQ and UQ this quarter, they may relax a bit on the 80" and take a more casual approach to eventual discounting.

If there is any chance that profitability might be missed based on where sales have been heading into the last days of March, I would not be at all to see significant pre-release discounts offered to drum up last-days f the quarter sales.

  • LC60UQ17U, 60" flat 1080p+/4K- edge-lit LED/LCD, $3000 MSRP, current street of $2200 (27% discount)
  • LC70UQ17U, 70" flat 1080p+/4K- edge-lit LED/LCD, $4000 MSRP, current street of $3000 (25% discount)
  • LC80UQ17U, 80" flat 1080p+/4K- edge-lit LED/LCD, $6500 MSRP, current street of $5500 (15% discount)

It's still only listed as 'Available for pre-order', but as we approach the end of the month, it's possible that you could see further discounting down below the $5000 level...

Anything below the 5,000 mark and I am in. Thnaks for the data. I will wait and see what those dates bring us. Just need it to nudge down to $4,999.99 with no tax and free shipping.
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Anything below the 5,000 mark and I am in. Thnaks for the data. I will wait and see what those dates bring us. Just need it to nudge down to $4,999.99 with no tax and free shipping.

Just Google 'Sharp LC80UQ17u'.... you will find prices south of 5k. Abt will have product this week... Paul's TV has 50 or so in stock... As fafrd posted, expect a hefty drop by 4/15. My advice is to take posted prices with a grain of salt.... Call/Chat and Negotiate !! smile.gif

Good luck !!
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Avmanic,

Curious if you have any recommendations on what to use to calibrate sets, in addition to settings you provide, (any good disks to use out there?). It is going to be a long 5 days waiting for my UQ smile.gif.
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Avmanic,

Curious if you have any recommendations on what to use to calibrate sets, in addition to settings you provide, (any good disks to use out there?). It is going to be a long 5 days waiting for my UQ smile.gif.

There is good set of patterns right here on AVS. Its called AVS709 you can download it burn to DVD or put the files on a thumb drive.

This is also a great disk and is more in in-depth.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00CKWI13O?pc_redir=1395689239&robot_redir=1

This one is also a good one and I would say makes it easy for someone starting out.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0045ASBLG?pc_redir=1395690953&robot_redir=1

And if you want more complete calibration this is a good starter kit. And they have made it very easy to learn and understand.
http://store.spectracal.com/consumer/c3.html

There all very good the disks will improve things a lot but going the extra step with a meter will complete things like color space and grayscale, ect. Take some time and read about each. If anything you will learn a lot.
Hope this helps and congrats on the new set..
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I will say calibrating with a meter will improve everything. After I got done with the SQ my black levels are on par the W850a that I had and it had very good black levels do to it's local dimming. So I am more than happy with my SQ.
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It's still only listed as 'Available for pre-order', but as we approach the end of the month, it's possible that you could see further discounting down below the $5000 level...

LC-80UQ17U are in, that price is high........ wink.gif
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Avmanic,

Curious if you have any recommendations on what to use to calibrate sets, in addition to settings you provide, (any good disks to use out there?). It is going to be a long 5 days waiting for my UQ smile.gif.

Both of these links are good reads also:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1328263571

http://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-tv-color-temperature-and-why-does-it-matter/
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Shout out ot all the UQ owners. The product details page lists the screen as glossy? That is an issue for me. I thought this was a seimi-matte?

•glossy screen, brushed silver bezel, and matte dark silver stand
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Shout out ot all the UQ owners. The product details page lists the screen as glossy? That is an issue for me. I thought this was a seimi-matte?

•glossy screen, brushed silver bezel, and matte dark silver stand

I feel like its more semi-matte than glossy . Sounds like you need to go check it out.
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I feel like its more semi-matte than glossy . Sounds like you need to go check it out.

How is bright room viewing. That is my biggest concern. It is hard to tell in the store as they had it in a low light environment..
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How is bright room viewing. That is my biggest concern. It is hard to tell in the store as they had it in a low light environment..

I have a sliding glass door right next to it, so lots of sunlight. Watching the tournament this weekend, i didn't have any issues. Im probably not as picky as most people.

I will take a picture when i get home so you can sort of see.
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I will say calibrating with a meter will improve everything. After I got done with the SQ my black levels are on par the W850a that I had and it had very good black levels do to it's local dimming. So I am more than happy with my SQ.

AVManiac,

are you able to measure dark level and light level with something like the ANSI checkerboard pattern? Curious to know what black levels you are getting as well as what native contrast ration the panel is giving you (HDTVTEST-style contrast measurement).

p.s. then if you had a next door neighbor with a UQ, you could perform the same measurement for him and we could finally get to the bottom of what the 8,000,000:1 CR of the SQ versus the 12,000,000:1 CR of the UQ means n the real world biggrin.gif
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