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Looks like all you 3D guys are going to be happy...

In an interview with Scott Wilkinson of AVS, David Katzmaier says that Vizio will have 3D support on the 50 inch and up M-series, all the P-series and Reference sets.

Here is a direct link to that exchange...

30:43 into Home Theater Geeks 190: CES 2014 Wrap up


Katzmaier says in the interview - "take it from me, Brent and I know the guy and if anyone knows its that guy".

He sounds pretty sure of the about-face by Vizio on 3D support.
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Ummmmmm

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Looks like all you 3D guys are going to be happy...

In an interview with Scott Wilkinson of AVS, David Katzmaier says that Vizio will have 3D support on the 50 inch and up M-series, all the P-series and Reference sets.

Here is a direct link to that exchange...

30:43 into Home Theater Geeks 190: CES 2014 Wrap up


Katzmaier says in the interview - "take it from me, Brent and I know the guy and if anyone knows its that guy".

He sounds pretty sure of the about-face by Vizio on 3D support.

I already double-checked with Vizio. Katzmaier was mistaken.

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"VIZIO is committed to providing consumers with the greatest entertainment
experience using the latest technology in the most approachable and
intuitive way. While VIZIO will continue to have 3D-enabled products in the
market (2013 M-Series 50” and above), we will evaluate the long-term
strategy to reflect the needs of consumers."

Basically, no 2D in the 2014 E-series, M-series, P-series or Reference Series. If you want 3D, Vizio will continue to sell the edge-lit 2013 M-series at sizes larger than 50".

The main point is you cannot buy a backlit, full-array, 2014-model Vizio that also supports 3D.

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I already double-checked with Vizio. Katzmaier was mistaken.

Figured there was probably some "whacky weed" being smoked here. Common sense says it is too late for any kind of change for the 2014
Models. Design/Specs/Firmware/Panels, etc. have been set in stone. A change of that sort would put production out to the 4th Qtr of this year
and destroy sales. I hope that this dies quickly here on AVS as we just are getting done with this "no 3D" complaining !!!
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Ummmmmm

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The vast majority of news outlets reported the story accurately... from post# 89:

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Vizio announces its first consumer 4K TVs, kills all 3D support - The Verge

Vizio Brings 4K to the Masses, Ditches 3D - IGN

Vizio reveals aggressively priced consumer 4K TVs, drops all 3D support - Techspot

Vizio Drops 3D from 2014 TV Lineup, Teams with Netflix on Ultra HD - Variety

3D TV Is Dead - The Wire

CES 2014 Is Turning Into A Funeral For 3D - (also) Techspot

Actually, Vizio hasn’t given up on 3D TVs, but on 3D glasses - Yahoo Finance

Vizio is First TV Brand to Ditch 3D on Its 2014 1080p & 4K TVs - HDTVtest

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So this thread is pretty much a mutual commiseration thread. The deal is done and everyone here has written to Vizio stating their dissatisfaction with the 3D removal. It seems that Vizio is making quality strides; I am sorry 3D couldn't make it as an accepted part of the package.

I saw a 70" frameless 3D Vizio at Costco yesterday that sold for $2000. (Way out of my pocketbook possiblities) It had a beautiful picture. I don't know any of its electronic "trimmings". I am slowly learning more about what the newer Vizios are offering in the other (3D verboten) Vizio thread.

I am a new comer to 3D and have now enjoyed several excellent 3D movies on our 100" hd131xe projector driven screen. Our bedroom 42" Vizio doesn't have 3D.
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The vast majority of news outlets reported the story accurately... from post# 89:

Gotta love these ridiculous headlines like "3D is DEAD!!". I hate it when they take things out of context. No, 3D is NOT dead. Vizio has made a poor decision regarding 3D support this year. I have a feeling they will regret it. Whether they do or not doesn't mean that 3D is dead.
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If that is true then it makes sense because 3D on small TV's do not have the same effect as larger ones. They say you actually need at least a 65" TV to truly appreciate the 3D and see the content how it should look.

How come no mention of 3D on Vizio's website? This is the first report that mentions this. Every other report says no 3D and Vizio themselves said they removed it because consumers didn't want it but they are still concentrating on glasses free for the future.

My 46" Samsung F8000 has amazing 3D with the active system. Yes, it's only 46", because a) that's all I could afford, and b) that's all I have room for in my small apartment. That doesn't mean the 3D isn't amazing. I would have been very sad if Samsung didn't support 3D in their 46" line just because it's a smaller screen size. To many people 46" is pretty large. It's certainly large enough to give a fantastic 3D experience. Sure a larger screen is better for 3D but that doesn't mean a 46" or 50" shouldn't support it.

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I already double-checked with Vizio. Katzmaier was mistaken.

Here is Vizio's statement:
Basically, no 2D in the 2014 E-series, M-series, P-series or Reference Series. If you want 3D, Vizio will continue to sell the edge-lit 2013 M-series at sizes larger than 50".

The main point is you cannot buy a backlit, full-array, 2014-model Vizio that also supports 3D.

Wow! That was cold news right after good news. Thanks anyway, my hopes are back in check.
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My 46" Samsung F8000 has amazing 3D with the active system. Yes, it's only 46", because a) that's all I could afford, and b) that's all I have room for in my small apartment. That doesn't mean the 3D isn't amazing. I would have been very sad if Samsung didn't support 3D in their 46" line just because it's a smaller screen size. To many people 46" is pretty large. It's certainly large enough to give a fantastic 3D experience. Sure a larger screen is better for 3D but that doesn't mean a 46" or 50" shouldn't support it.
I wasn't just saying that people who have smaller TV's should not have 3D. I was simply stating that I have seen posts from people who know a lot more then me about 3D explain technically why 3D really needs a 65" screen or larger to see the content how it should be. Something to do with distances and such.

I don't think anyone should stop making it, although I personally never use 3D on my TV, but was simply stating I can see why companies might choose to keep 3D to it's larger TV's. It is all irrelevant anyway because it was based on false information.

And a side note, a 46" F8000 ain't to shabby as far as what you can afford. Sure it might not be like the majority of people here who seem like that are ready to buy a Vizio 120" R Series Full Array LED the day it drops, but still the F8000 is more expensive then most other TV's : )
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Wow! That was cold news right after good news. Thanks anyway, my hopes are back in check.

Then there is this...

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Well the no 3D on the Vizio 2014 reference series seals it for me as well. This is the year that I am jumping into the 4K camp and now Vizio has eliminated themselves from the running. Hopefully they will discover the error and in 2015 come back with "because of consumer demand and the technology maturing we have added 3D to our entire lineup".
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Same here Jaguar. I am very bummed about this IF these sets are a good as the specs indicate they should be.

I have 79 3D Blu-rays that I own and want to enjoy in 3D. I'd be all over the P or R series if it had 3D support.
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I hope we all note our dissatifaction in writing to Vizio.
And if and when we buy another make we let Vizio know.

Just a thought.
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Same here Jaguar. I am very bummed about this IF these sets are a good as the specs indicate they should be.

I have 79 3D Blu-rays that I own and want to enjoy in 3D. I'd be all over the P or R series if it had 3D support.

It 's kinda like a bad dream or a slap in the face. Every time I think about the 2014 Vizio sets, I just shake my head just like I did when Derrick Rose went down after a few games this season. I had my hopes up high then came the word of no 3D. I too have a lot of 3D movies and I've been without a main set for a few months now. If they were waiting on glasses free 3D why the heck didn't they keep the 3D tech they have now until glasses free was ready. Instead they have no 4k + 3D. I'd have to say that was pretty dumb.
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It 's kinda like a bad dream or a slap in the face. Every time I think about the 2014 Vizio sets, I just shake my head just like I did when Derrick Rose went down after a few games this season. I had my hopes up high then came the word of no 3D. I too have a lot of 3D movies and I've been without a main set for a few months now. If they were waiting on glasses free 3D why the heck didn't they keep the 3D tech they have now until glasses free was ready. Instead they have no 4k + 3D. I'd have to say that was pretty dumb.

Well said, I feel the same way.
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I'm no Bulls fan, but I think the loss of Derrick Rose for the year (again) is bigger than the loss of 3-D.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I don't give rat's patootie about the loss of Derrick Rose (except that I'm sorry he got hurt), but Vizio's decision not to include 3D in the Reference series takes them off my list, too. Of course, I'll be excited to see one as soon as it hits a local store, but I think it's short-sighted of them not to have a single 3D model in the 2014 line-up.

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I hope we all note our dissatifaction in writing to Vizio.
And if and when we buy another make we let Vizio know.

Just a thought.

I sent them a quick note via their "contact us" form letting them know of my dissatisfaction. I was looking forward to purchasing one of their newer models and I wanted 3D included in the next set that I buy. I want passive 3D and that basically leaves me with LG as my only other option.
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I don't give rat's patootie about the loss of Derrick Rose (except that I'm sorry he got hurt), but Vizio's decision not to include 3D in the Reference series takes them off my list, too. Of course, I'll be excited to see one as soon as it hits a local store, but I think it's short-sighted of them not to have a single 3D model in the 2014 line-up.

The part where they removed all 3-D support is how they saved all the money from having any. I realize that's not satisfying, but it explains why it wasn't left on 2-3 models.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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For the record, I registered my opinion about them dropping 3D as well. No use just squawking here.
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For the record, I registered my opinion about them dropping 3D as well. No use just squawking here.

I know. This is just a place to notice that, indeed, there are others who feel the same.
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I know. This is just a place to notice that, indeed, there are others who feel the same.

I didn't mean you Cy, I was just saying that to myself.
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I just sent email to Vizio as well via "contact us" form letter. I'm sure we will get a form letter response back too.
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I didn't mean you Cy, I was just saying that to myself.

I know. I really was just completely agreeing with you. smile.gif
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Glad to hear people are contacting Vizio about their disappointment in their lack of 3D support in 2014 models. It's the only way to get the message out to them. Let them know you're eliminating them from your choices because of it. They need to understand what a poor decision it was to drop 3D support. That's like if Panasonic dropped 3D support from their entire lineup of blu-ray players. I'm really surprised Vizio made this decision.
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I would not be surprised at all if Vizio in 2015 {which is not all that far away now } that they put forth one or two in between sizes for their reference series 65" & 120" with possibly even 3D. You know they always add goodies every year to entice us as history usually proves the future in these scenarios. I honestly believe 2015 for almost all manufacturers will be the bonus year for all when 4k truly comes into its own. This will make our choices all the more complicated but in a good way.

With Vizio's push of higher tech, don't be surprised that the other big manufacturers follow too. That would be a very good thing. OLED with it's burn in issues and less longevity and higher price will struggle against the LED LCD 4k market, especially when they all start adding the 10 bit color gamut with full 10 bit IC from input to output, FALD with high zone counts, higher NIT's and the like. If I pop between 3g and 15g on a 4k set, best believe I don't ever want to have to worry about babying it worrying about static image burn in.

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Im glad that Vizio removed 3D from their 2014 offerings.

They are still selling the 50" and 55" 2013 models in Best Buy for people who like 3D.

Other retailers will be following Vizios lead and dropping 3D in favor of better PQ with Full Array and Local Dimming. Put the money into PQ instead of gimmicks and the customers will come running.
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Im glad that Vizio removed 3D from their 2014 offerings.

They are still selling the 50" and 55" 2013 models in Best Buy for people who like 3D.

Other retailers will be following Vizios lead and dropping 3D in favor of better PQ with Full Array and Local Dimming. Put the money into PQ instead of gimmicks and the customers will come running.

Why are you glad in reduction of features? 3D and FALD are not mutually exclusive, and 3D is not a cause of a panel having poor PQ. Vizio eliminated me as a potential buyer this year when they eliminated 3D. I cannot consider a television for purchase without it. And that's kind of disappointing, because it seems Vizio wants to get real serious about higher end televisions this year.

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Be prepared for much more disappointment.

Everything has a cost associated with it.

The best thing that has happened to LCD TVs in years is Vizio putting FALD on budget and midrange sets. If that means ditching 3D to keep the prices down, the vast majority of the market will be better served. There will undoubtedly be a couple of 3D models produced by a few manufacturers for a few more years at least to serve the niche market.

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