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Vizio's entire lineup was revamped for 2014 and at the top of the heap is the new 120" UHDTV featuring Dolby Vision, a 10-bit panel and a 960Hz refresh rate. It is—without question—the most impressive TV at the show. This is not the Vizio of a few years ago—the Hyundai of the TV world offering good performance and value. The new 120" Reference Series sets the standard for a high-style, high-performance flagship big-screen TV.

 

The video I saw took on the illusion of 3D even though none of Vizio's 2014 lineup supports 3D anymore. The illusion of depth comes from the crispy contrast and rich colors that the 10-bit panel puts out. With a refresh rate of 960Hz, there is no need to use motion interpolation in order to preserve motion resolution, which should please videophile purists. The new king of big screen UHDTVs also features an integrated high-performance sound system that includes a wireless subwoofer. The fit, finish and look of the entire system was first-class and would not look out-of-place in a billionaire's mansion or mega-yacht. Yet, Vizio plans to stick to its roots and pricing on all of its new products should continue the companies tradition of offering high performance and a (comparatively) affordable price. Vizio expects to ship its new flagship UHDTV in the latter half of 2014.

 

Vizio's 120" Reference Series was the most impressive TV I saw at CES 2014

 

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Awesome. How did the p series models look in comparison to the r series?
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Awesome. How did the p series models look in comparison to the r series?

The P series looked good but the Reference Series definitely looked better. With a 10-bit panel, higher contrast, 384 LED zones (as opposed to 64 on the P series), 960Hz refresh and Dolby Vision, the Vizio Reference Series promises to make 2014 a very interesting year.


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Awesome. How did the p series models look in comparison to the r series?

I think he pretty much said nothing even came close (other OEM's or other Vizio lines). What I want to know is, how the E,M and P-series performed in comparison to other sets in thier respective class and even more importantly to me, how well the move to full-array improved picture quality and consistency over Vizio's current edge-lit sets?
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Awesome. How did the p series models look in comparison to the r series?

I think he pretty much said nothing even came close (other OEM's or other Vizio lines). What I want to know is, how the E,M and P-series performed in comparison to other sets in thier respective class and even more importantly to me, how well the move to full-array improved picture quality and consistency over Vizio's current edge-lit sets?

I have a edge-lit Vizio M550 and the new M-series with FALD offers a considerably better picture—especially when it comes to even illumination, without any of the silly edge-lit artifacts that plague TVs using that design (including my own).

The P-series looks quite fantastic. Even the E series picture quality is extremely good, in some ways it is better than my older M-series.
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I have a edge-lit Vizio M550 and the new M-series with FALD offers a considerably better picture—especially when it comes to even illumination, without any of the silly edge-lit artifacts that plague TVs using that design (including my own).

The P-series looks quite fantastic. Even the E series picture quality is extremely good, in some ways it is better than my older M-series.


Wow - thanks Mark!

I can't wait for these to drop - did you get any indication from Vizio as to when the M and P will be available?
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I have a edge-lit Vizio M550 and the new M-series with FALD offers a considerably better picture—especially when it comes to even illumination, without any of the silly edge-lit artifacts that plague TVs using that design (including my own).

The P-series looks quite fantastic. Even the E series picture quality is extremely good, in some ways it is better than my older M-series.


One more thing - by chance were you able to demo the P-series with SD or HD content and if so, how well did it render the upscale to 4K?
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I have a edge-lit Vizio M550 and the new M-series with FALD offers a considerably better picture—especially when it comes to even illumination, without any of the silly edge-lit artifacts that plague TVs using that design (including my own).

The P-series looks quite fantastic. Even the E series picture quality is extremely good, in some ways it is better than my older M-series.


One more thing - by chance were you able to demo the P-series with SD or HD content and if so, how well did it render the upscale to 4K?

I did not. I can't answer that.


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I have a edge-lit Vizio M550 and the new M-series with FALD offers a considerably better picture—especially when it comes to even illumination, without any of the silly edge-lit artifacts that plague TVs using that design (including my own).

The P-series looks quite fantastic. Even the E series picture quality is extremely good, in some ways it is better than my older M-series.

Great to hear! Any ideas when these TVs will be available purchase?

Thanks for answering my question!
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Hi Mark, is there any word on what type of panels are being used in each of the series? If not, would you be able to examine the pixel structure to find out? I am curious if any of them are using IPS panels. I am sure viewing angles would be a clue also.
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Vizio is going to more or less wipe out 2 major competitors from the U.S. TV landscape in the coming 12-24 months; perhaps as many as 4.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Im very interested in the 65" Reference model because to FALD. I see 384 zones, is that the 120" or 65"?

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Im very interested in the 65" Reference model because to FALD. I see 384 zones, is that the 120" or 65"?

Both models feature 384 zones

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Holy crap. 384 zones in a 65", now im REALLY interested.

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HI Mark, great job so far BTW,
Please tell me that the speaker is detachable on the reference series.

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I have a edge-lit Vizio M550 and the new M-series with FALD offers a considerably better picture—especially when it comes to even illumination, without any of the silly edge-lit artifacts that plague TVs using that design (including my own).

The P-series looks quite fantastic. Even the E series picture quality is extremely good, in some ways it is better than my older M-series.

 

Thanks, this is great to hear (re: E Series). Can you elaborate on the areas in which the new E series is outperforming last year's M series? Additionally, how does the 2014 E stack up to the 2014 M?

 

I just purchased a 2013 M and am pretty sure I'm going to return it. The question is, do I replace it with a new E or wait until the M's are released, which could be a while. Tough one...

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Any speculation on the 120" price? P series prices look very attractive, hopefully the 120" price is also attractive but what it means?
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As someone who has bought plenty of tv's, if you can afford it, wait for it. Don't settle. It's amazing how far Vizio has come since the 2009 model (VVT, VXT, whatever) my boss bought. Its nice, but it aint great. They are really trying to put the heat on.

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Any speculation on the 120" price? P series prices look very attractive, hopefully the 120" price is also attractive but what it means?

I just hope that Reference 65" is bearable.

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How would you compare the picture quality to say a high end Sony 4K projectior
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I have a edge-lit Vizio M550 and the new M-series with FALD offers a considerably better picture—especially when it comes to even illumination, without any of the silly edge-lit artifacts that plague TVs using that design (including my own).

The P-series looks quite fantastic. Even the E series picture quality is extremely good, in some ways it is better than my older M-series.

Mark,

in terms of the 65" Reference Series and P Series, any thoughts as to how each of them would have stacked up against the Sharp Elite? I realize that any comment you have will be just idle speculation at this point and that until there are production panels to test under controlled conditions even those first impressions are subject to change. But still, first impressions count for something and I'm interested in any gut feel you have from what you have seen as to how these two panels would have compared to the historical reference for FALD...

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The real issue is are they going to aggressively price the 120" to be a real product or like LG and Samsung is it really just a bragging rights product that is mostly for press attention and conventions and the negligible sized market of the ultra rich or companies that want one? LG and Samsung don't expect any real consumer sales of their over 100-inch models. They are their trophies to show off on their mantles and generate buzz.

I fear the same may be true for the 120" Vizio, which would be understandable if it were not for the fact that the only alternative model is almost 1/4th the size at 65-inches. It would have been nice to see them do 75" or 84" or something in that range to take the top spot for the viable consumer market of ultra-large screen TV's. I would pay a premium for an 84" R-series over the 90" 2K Sharp. But I would not settle for 65" R-series or not versus a 90" panel even if inferior.

Now on the other hand if they really price the 120" as a viable consumer product, that's amazing, but it seems unlikely. Not sure what their cost is to produce these sets but no private consumer outside the Fortune 500 and some cash rich corporations will buy them if they cost materially more than it takes to get a good 4K projector, and that bar is now at $15K and dropping fast.

More likely the 120" is a showcase product in name only and if the R-series succeeds at 65" we will ahve to wait until next year to get viable larger consumer sizes. Hope I'm wrong.
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HI Mark, great job so far BTW,

Please tell me that the speaker is detachable on the reference series.



Thanks

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I got to see this in person as well.. wow, I want this. They had recorded some rosebowl footage with the Red camera and was showing it. Very impressive.

The more impressive demo was their reference series 65" side by side to the samsung 9000 series. I dare to say it was almost Kuro black...
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I got to see this in person as well.. wow, I want this. They had recorded some rosebowl footage with the Red camera and was showing it. Very impressive.

The more impressive demo was their reference series 65" side by side to the samsung 9000 series. I dare to say it was almost Kuro black...
That's under bright lights though, isn't it? Lots of LEDs look good under bright lights.
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I still hold a good bit of doubt at this point. I will have to wait till someone gets a look at it in a dark room. It would be nice if they actually did away with the soap opera effect. (I cant even watch TVs that do it!)

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That's under bright lights though, isn't it? Lots of LEDs look good under bright lights.

I thought I read somewhere that the Reference 65 was in a dimly lit room/area for the comparison demo. But we won't know till they start shipping. It does sound promising.
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I like that a guy will be able to get a refurbished set for half price about 6 months after they start shipping! biggrin.gif
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That 120" I can't wait to see the price and reviews. Hopefully this kicks off an arms race for massive TVs.
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