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Except it's not really JVC, it's a marketing front...
It's a put-on. ;-)
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It's a put-on. ;-)
Was that a "Who" reference?
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Was that a "Who" reference?
Come and join the party. Dress to kill.


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Forget they're hiding.

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Marketing front - It's a put on.

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Except it's not really JVC, it's a marketing front (JVC sold their name for TVs to a Chinese manufacturer). Have to count them in the same camp as TCL, Hisense and Seiki. Several of these will be major US brands a few years in the future, but right now they are the wild west (in the US market).
.. besides Sony, aren't 4k units Chinese 'influenced' anyway, with the majority of their parts manufactured there or in JVC's case .. the AmTRAN Video Corp as the front'g operation (?)

I have no interest in 3D (or) many of the 'apps', so am mainly looking into the JVC DM65USR, Vizio P652ui-B2 or Toshiba 65L9400 .. whichever has greater picture, quality, etc. : )
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.. besides Sony, aren't 4k units Chinese 'influenced' anyway, with the majority of their parts manufactured there or in JVC's case .. the AmTRAN Video Corp as the front'g operation (?)

I have no interest in 3D (or) many of the 'apps', so am mainly looking into the JVC DM65USR, Vizio P652ui-B2 or Toshiba 65L9400 .. whichever has greater picture, quality, etc. : )
I believe the Toshiba 65L9400 is more of a direct competitor of the Vizio R series rather than the P series in that it has 350-384 zones (vs 64 for the P series), a bright 700 nit backlight (closer to the R series' 800 nit), and about a $6k msrp.
Time will tell, although cnet reported back in Jan that the Toshiba would be available June/July timeframe.

There are more similarities than differences between the Vizio R and Toshiba, with the main difference being 3D (Toshiba) vs no 3D (Vizio).

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^^ .. thanks CSonntag, that's right regarding the L9400 vs Vizio R relationship; been over a week since I've been research'g and brain malfunction'd. But, thought L9400 was 3D-free(?)

Anyway, I'll probably being considering price along with any purchase (~ $2k), so I guess it'll be the Vizio P-series or JVC.

Thanks much for response.
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.. besides Sony, aren't 4k units Chinese 'influenced' anyway, with the majority of their parts manufactured there or in JVC's case .. the AmTRAN Video Corp as the front'g operation (?)

I have no interest in 3D (or) many of the 'apps', so am mainly looking into the JVC DM65USR, Vizio P652ui-B2 or Toshiba 65L9400 .. whichever has greater picture, quality, etc. : )

The thing you need to be asking yourself is what company has employed the engineers that defined the specification for your TV, takes responsibility for the quality assurance process, and will be backing up its warranty? Where these products gets manufactured is irrelevant, but once a company sells product under another company's name with nothing but marketing rights to that name, the risks that you make a service call expecting an answer from someone at JVC but get no answer instead, rise significantly.
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I believe the Toshiba 65L9400 is more of a direct competitor of the Vizio R series rather than the P series in that it has 350-384 zones (vs 64 for the P series), a bright 700 nit backlight (closer to the R series' 800 nit), and about a $6k msrp.
Time will tell, although cnet reported back in Jan that the Toshiba would be available June/July timeframe.

There are more similarities than differences between the Vizio R and Toshiba, with the main difference being 3D (Toshiba) vs no 3D (Vizio).
There is a specific thread on the Vizio Reference versus the Toshiba L9400U on exactly this subject:Toshiba 4K 65L9400/65Z9X and Vizio 65" Reference Series 10-bit Panel

The Japanese version of the L9400U is certainly 'R-Series' class, but the specification of the US model are not yet clear. The number of zones may be even smaller than the P Series and there may be no 3D support for the US model.

The L7400U was significantly watered down in the translation from Japan to the US and no one knows yet what that will end up meaning for the L9400U...

The 65L9400U is currently available at a pre-release price of $3500 on Amazon and $3300 at ABT...
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^^ .. thanks fafrd for that explanation; indeed .. I would prefer, with quality, the assurance that if there's a failure, that "someone's" on the other end that'll abide by their warranty!!

also, the info 'just above' is my next "click" .. may be interested in the Toshiba L9400 if its not 'watered-down' as you mentioned for the L7400.

much appreciated. : )
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Let's see if i finally get to see a LED that is good.
Until now i only saw crap compared to Plasmas, but let's see if Panasonic fianally got a TV to mathc a Plasma in black levels, i seriosly doubt!

LD/LCD has more faded colors and motion problems than Plasma and motion has serious problems, when i watch a movie on an LED looks like there is no "film-like" picture, the movement of the scenes is weird!
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Let's see if i finally get to see a LED that is good.
Until now i only saw crap compared to Plasmas, but let's see if Panasonic fianally got a TV to mathc a Plasma in black levels, i seriosly doubt!
Panasonic? Who here has been discussing Panasonic?

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Panasonic? Who here has been discussing Panasonic?
Panasonic is mentioned on the beginning of the thread, if you didn't read it's your problem. By the way what kind of comment is that?!!
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There is a specific thread on the Vizio Reference versus the Toshiba L9400U on exactly this subject:Toshiba 4K 65L9400/65Z9X and Vizio 65" Reference Series 10-bit Panel

The Japanese version of the L9400U is certainly 'R-Series' class, but the specification of the US model are not yet clear. The number of zones may be even smaller than the P Series and there may be no 3D support for the US model.
So fafrd, is the 65z9x the Japanese version?

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So fafrd, is the 65z9x the Japanese version?

sytech is the forum member who has been following the 2014 Toshiba line-up most closely (both here and in Japan) - suggest you PM him to be certain (or post your question on the L9400U / Reference Series thread - I believe he monitors that thread pretty closely :-)
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Big drop in the Sharp's over the past week. The price of the Sharp 70UD 4K flagship is now approaching that of the soon-to-be-released 70" Vizio P Series...
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another update on the price of the 65l9400U Fafrd this is from macmall and pcmall's website. pcmall is able to be price matched by amazon i dont see why the other wouldnt as its a divison of Pcmall.

macmalls price is- $2919.99
http://www.macmall.com/p/Toshiba-Vid...52~pdp.ihhhehh

PCmalls price- $2899.99
http://www.pcm.com/s?rch&q=%20131648...false&ssrc=box

both amazing prices cant wait to see where they sit when it releases, but more importantly makes me wonder where the R series pricing will fall.
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another update on the price of the 65l9400U Fafrd this is from macmall and pcmall's website. pcmall is able to be price matched by amazon i dont see why the other wouldnt as its a divison of Pcmall.

macmalls price is- $2919.99
http://www.macmall.com/p/Toshiba-Vid...52~pdp.ihhhehh

PCmalls price- $2899.99
http://www.pcm.com/s?rch&q=%20131648...false&ssrc=box

both amazing prices cant wait to see where they sit when it releases, but more importantly makes me wonder where the R series pricing will fall.
Thanks for the heads-up, Rf13 - lead post updated.

Hopefully we'll learn something more about the 65" Vizio Reference Series before the end of the (new) month...
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hello fellow members I have a question basically advice?


With the latest news of 4K bluray being ready in Q3 or later in 2015 and news of 8K TV's at the latest IFA show, I know 8K maybe will be ready in 2 years or so? things are moving fast you never know.


We have LG's OLED 4K coming out next month and Vizio's Reference line tvs by end of the year, now if I can get this tv model for a price between $2000 and $3000 what would you do? buy it and wait for OLED 4K to get better or not buy it and wait some more?


I have a 46 inch Samsung tv at home with a few dead pixels on the tv near the bottom corner but still a great picture and it works fine. Is 6 to 7 years old. Man I want a big screen so badly but at the same time if I keep saving I will have more $$$ to buy the latest kick ass 85inch plus tv down the road.


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Anyone ???

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With the latest news of 4K bluray being ready in Q3 or later in 2015 and news of 8K TV's at the latest IFA show, I know 8K maybe will be ready in 2 years or so? things are moving fast you never know.
Ready for what? The BDA just announced the 4k spec will begin implementation in 2015. 8k the following year? No.

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We have LG's OLED 4K coming out next month and Vizio's Reference line tvs by end of the year, now if I can get this tv model for a price between $2000 and $3000 what would you do? buy it and wait for OLED 4K to get better or not buy it and wait some more?
LG's are curved. Pass. The Vizio won't offer 3D. If FALD is you're thing, but 3D is not, consider the Toshiba. If you want 3D, consider the Panasonic AX900.

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I have a 46 inch Samsung tv at home with a few dead pixels on the tv near the bottom corner but still a great picture and it works fine. Is 6 to 7 years old. Man I want a big screen so badly but at the same time if I keep saving I will have more $$$ to buy the latest kick ass 85inch plus tv down the road.
You can wait for "the next big thing" and wait, and wait, and wait . . . Well, you get the point. Pick a panel and go with it.

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Sharp 80" Class AQUOS Q+ Series LED Smart TV LC-80UQ17U is the tv i can get
Why go with a native panel 1920 x 1080 set? Go 4k.
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Anyone ???
I'm holding out for oled until more features are added as well as bigger sizes and better prices. I'm not paying more than 6k for a 77" panel no matter how good it is that's just my opinion. I am on the other hand buying a R series and waiting until oled prices and features improve. I believe it would be a great set to wait things out to see how things go.
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The Toshiba 65L9400 looks to be available on Amazon for $3300
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Here's the link now that I can post one:

http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-65L940...productDetails
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The Toshiba 65L9400 looks to be available on Amazon for $3300
If it matters to you, no 3D.
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If it matters to you, no 3D.
No, don't really care for 3D. The other set that I was looking at is the Vizio P series (70" at $2400), which also doesn't have 3D. I'm wondering how these two will stack up to one another, or against the other high-level LCDs.
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No, don't really care for 3D. The other set that I was looking at is the Vizio P series (70" at $2400), which also doesn't have 3D. I'm wondering how these two will stack up to one another, or against the other high-level LCDs.

The Toshiba L9400U should outperform the Vizio P (on paper), but until reviewers actually get their hands on either TV, it's a shot in the dark... The 70" Vizio P has 72 local dimming zones while the L6400U is still unknown.
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Thank you I will wait some more to see the Vizio reference line and LG OLED 4K but Samsung showed some new stuff coming out as well decisions decisions.


I know I cant keep waiting or I will never get one but its not like the wife will let me buy another tv in 2 years lol so it has to be the best right now that will last for a long time to come lol.

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Panasonic announced the AX900 this week and the street price on the 65AX800 has dropped to $3000.

This makes the Sony 65X950B pretty much the only 65" TV available for more than $4000 right now (street price of $5400) other than the LG 65EC9700 (which is supposed to star with a street price of $6250).

The Panasonic 65AX900 has not been priced yet, but it is certain to price higher than the 65AX800 which has a current street price of $3000, so expect the 65AX900 to price closer to the price of the 65X950B than to the $3000 price of the rest of the Flagship market.

And the 65" Vizio Reference Series has still not priced either, though I expect that Flagship model to price much closer to the $3000 price of the rest of the 65" Flagship market than the $5000-6000 price of the Sony 65X950B and LG 65EC9700 (and probably also Panasonic 65AX900).

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Too bad Vizio is so titght lipped about their reference line

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Too bad Vizio is so titght lipped about their reference line

P Series launch event in New York scheduled for September 23rd - hopefully we learn something more about the R Series then.
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