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I guess if you want to spend $8K on a Sony or $40K on a Samsung for their FALD designs then yeah, you can get a better television than a P series.
The Vizio P series looks like it is going to be a real game changer. 4K prices are dropping fast and I would expect a $1999 street price for the 70" 4K P Series. I wonder how the 65" P and 70" P are going to compare, being that they most likely use different panels. The 70" should be using Sharp's new 4K panel the use in their UD20 with 14% more color gamut. The Sharps come out soon in Japan, so I would guess would we see the Vizio 70" P around late Aug/Sept. The 65" P is most likely using the AUO panel 4K WCG panel they showed last year. They should actually be available slightly sooner. It will be interesting to compare they two, because even though they are both P series there is going to be some differences in pixel structure and color gamut. They only other affordable 4K FALDs maybe the Toshiba at 65L9400 and Panasonic AX900, but I would expect price drops to compete.

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The Vizio P series looks like it is going to be a real game changer. 4K prices are dropping fast and I would expect a $1999 street price for the 70" 4K P Series. I wonder how the 65" P and 70" P are going to compare, being that they most likely use different panels. The 70" should be using Sharp's new 4K panel the use in their UD20 with 14% more color gamut. The Sharps come out soon in Japan, so I would guess would we see the Vizio 70" P around late Aug/Sept. The 65" P is most likely using the AUO panel 4K WCG panel they showed last year. They should actually be available slightly sooner. It will be interesting to compare they two, because even though they are both P series there is going to be some differences in pixel structure and color gamut. They only other affordable 4K FALDs maybe the Toshiba at 65L9400 and Panasonic AX900, but I would expect price drops to compete.

The 65" P is $2,100,00...the 70" is $2,399,00 if I remember correctly. The page with pricing is currently down. (http://store.vizio.com/news/vizio-an...y-led-smart-tv)
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The Vizio P series looks like it is going to be a real game changer. 4K prices are dropping fast and I would expect a $1999 street price for the 70" 4K P Series. I wonder how the 65" P and 70" P are going to compare, being that they most likely use different panels. The 70" should be using Sharp's new 4K panel the use in their UD20 with 14% more color gamut. The Sharps come out soon in Japan, so I would guess would we see the Vizio 70" P around late Aug/Sept. The 65" P is most likely using the AUO panel 4K WCG panel they showed last year. They should actually be available slightly sooner. It will be interesting to compare they two, because even though they are both P series there is going to be some differences in pixel structure and color gamut. They only other affordable 4K FALDs maybe the Toshiba at 65L9400 and Panasonic AX900, but I would expect price drops to compete.





The 65" P is $2,100,00...the 70" is $2,399,00 if I remember correctly. The page with pricing is currently down. (http://store.vizio.com/news/vizio-an...y-led-smart-tv)

He was referring to street price which is often less than msrp (what you linked to and posted).


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He was referring to street price which is often less than msrp (what you linked to and posted).


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Maybe I'm confused about what "street price" is...but so far the press release prices are almost exactly what the current prices are for the units through Best Buy, Costco, and Vizio's site.
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He was referring to street price which is often less than msrp (what you linked to and posted).





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Maybe I'm confused about what "street price" is...but so far the press release prices are almost exactly what the current prices are for the units through Best Buy, Costco, and Vizio's site.

BB usually does MSRP as does Vizio (no discount) Costco has been cheaper on average. Street Price is what you'll pay for a set on average (usually lower than MSRP).


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Maybe I'm confused about what "street price" is...but so far the press release prices are almost exactly what the current prices are for the units through Best Buy, Costco, and Vizio's site.
The lower end / less expensive models probably don't have much room in the price for discounting. The higher end / more expensive models may. Still, I'm not sure the $2600 MSRP of the 70" P will get discounted all the way down to $2k, probably more like $2.4k
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Maybe I'm confused about what "street price" is...but so far the press release prices are almost exactly what the current prices are for the units through Best Buy, Costco, and Vizio's site.
BB usually does MSRP as does Vizio (no discount) Costco has been cheaper on average. Street Price is what you'll pay for a set on average (usually lower than MSRP).

Always lower than MSRP, or it wouldn't be considered "street". Street price has come to mean generally the discounted price that you can get from discount vendors; it sometimes means the lowest possible price you can get, but usually just means a significantly discounted price that you can more or less count on being available (not including a weird onetime sale).

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Ah ok. Well that makes sense.

What reputable retailers sell at street price?
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Just saw this picture while browsing the web for more info on the Vizio P. From this shot you can see how the colors fade when viewing the P at an angle. I'm guessing it is similar to what happens with the new 2014 M's when viewing from an angle.

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That's one of the images from CES. They have a similar one for the M as well in related articles. (You can find this image in the P series "news" thread from CES here in the forums)


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That's one of the images from CES. They have a similar one for the M as well in related articles. (You can find this image in the P series "news" thread from CES here in the forums)


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Thanks.

I've seen these images in video before but never as a still image. I suppose I never noticed how much it faded until I saw the still photos.
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I would still consider that an acceptable image especially at that angle. I'm not doing any critical viewing from an angle like that )


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Did this not happen? I can't find any confirmation of the final list or dates on their website, Facebook page or on the main topic here at AVS.
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Ah lucky you. Due to our living room set up and where the TV goes we have to consider viewing angles. Right now with our 51" Samsung Plasma it's perfect from all angles.
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Ah lucky you. Due to our living room set up and where the TV goes we have to consider viewing angles. Right now with our 51" Samsung Plasma it's perfect from all angles.
If it's really that big of an issue, consider an articulating mount and just point the TV wherever you are sitting.
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If it's really that big of an issue, consider an articulating mount and just point the TV wherever you are sitting.
We can't drill into the brick facade of the fireplace where the TV is going. Also the width of the mantel above the fireplace limits us to TVs with a stand like Vizio's set. Since we want either the 65" or 70" our only options for a 2014 TV is the Vizio line (E. M, or P) or a Samsung 4K UN65HU8550. Though I can't justify spending almost $3,300 on Samsung if I can get the Vizio P for $2,100.
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Ah lucky you. Due to our living room set up and where the TV goes we have to consider viewing angles. Right now with our 51" Samsung Plasma it's perfect from all angles.

I think you misunderstood me. Critical viewing is always done "head on" for me. There is seating in my living room that would be off angle, but that's for guests so yes viewing can be done at angle, but its not something I would partake in for something I really wanted to watch. I consider viewing angles, but if the picture is viewable most don't care enough as long as they can see the TV (mostly for sporting events, etc if you have people over).

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^^ This, LCD will always have less of a viewing angle then plasma, just a nature of the tech, there are ways to "help" much like with Plasma its better to watch in a light controlled environment to reap the true benefit. If you have extreme viewing angles Plasma would be the way to go as (rtn) has done. There will be no LCD that will be able to match at extreme angles like that.
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We can't drill into the brick facade of the fireplace where the TV is going. Also the width of the mantel above the fireplace limits us to TVs with a stand like Vizio's set. Since we want either the 65" or 70" our only options for a 2014 TV is the Vizio line (E. M, or P) or a Samsung 4K UN65HU8550. Though I can't justify spending almost $3,300 on Samsung if I can get the Vizio P for $2,100.
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I have my samsung set on this lazy suzanne stand to swivel it to where I am sitting:

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That wont work in my case but thanks for the suggestion!
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If it's really that big of an issue, consider an articulating mount and just point the TV wherever you are sitting.
That works if everyone is sitting in a narrow range. We still have a 65" plasma in our family room. It has a swivel stand so when it's just a couple people viewing we angle it as necessary. But we often have 5-7 people viewing at a time from seats that range across a wide variety of angles, most of them beyond what works for most VA LED panels. The real world often intrudes on the perfect conditions engineers would like to us to arrange...
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That works if everyone is sitting in a narrow range. We still have a 65" plasma in our family room. It has a swivel stand so when it's just a couple people viewing we angle it as necessary. But we often have 5-7 people viewing at a time from seats that range across a wide variety of angles, most of them beyond what works for most VA LED panels. The real world often intrudes on the perfect conditions engineers would like to us to arrange...
In the engineers' defense, 99.9% of people are sitting directly in front of the TV they want to watch
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In the engineers' defense, 99.9% of people are sitting directly in front of the TV they want to watch
Out of curiosity, how do you know? Is there some study or stat out there? I'm not disputing you, just want to know if there are actual facts. I can think of many situations where that ideal doesn't hold up. Game day, for example, when people host viewing parties. Not room for that many people directly in a narrow viewing cone directly in front of the set.
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In the engineers' defense, 99.9% of people are sitting directly in front of the TV they want to watch
And also why there are things such as dedicated home theaters where the seating is arranged row style so all viewers have a similar angle of view.
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If you are telling me that I can get a 70 inch P series for somewhere in the mid 2G's then I am completely in. Wish they were making an 80 inch!!!!
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Out of curiosity, how do you know? Is there some study or stat out there? I'm not disputing you, just want to know if there are actual facts. I can think of many situations where that ideal doesn't hold up. Game day, for example, when people host viewing parties. Not room for that many people directly in a narrow viewing cone directly in front of the set.
I live and breathe my friend, I live and breathe... It's not quantifiable I'm sure, but if you have a room where 5 to 7 people are forced to sit at such an angle that the PQ is significantly affected, I would argue the TV is too big for the room as there isn't enough room for people to sit far enough back to better their viewing angle. I have 3 kids and when the 5 of us are watching TV in the living room, we're all relatively in front of it, but I have the advantage of nearly a 20 foot viewing distance which lowers the off angle significantly.

As someone said earlier, "critical viewing" at a severe angle shouldn't be done with any TV. If it's important to you, get there early and get the good seat
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I live and breathe my friend, I live and breathe... It's not quantifiable I'm sure, but if you have a room where 5 to 7 people are forced to sit at such an angle that the PQ is significantly affected, I would argue the TV is too big for the room as there isn't enough room for people to sit far enough back to better their viewing angle. I have 3 kids and when the 5 of us are watching TV in the living room, we're all relatively in front of it, but I have the advantage of nearly a 20 foot viewing distance which lowers the off angle significantly.

As someone said earlier, "critical viewing" at a severe angle shouldn't be done with any TV. If it's important to you, get there early and get the good seat
I would think the opposite would be true -- the LARGER the TV the broader the real world capacity for seating within the ideal viewing corridor. The outliers of 7 people sitting side-by-side in front of an 80" TV are going to have a narrower angle of viewing than the same group sitting in front of a 50" TV.

That's great that you have 20 foot viewing distance. My point was real world conditions vary substantially from household to household and situation to situation (i.e. quiet movie might with your significant other versus 10 people over to watch the game). Products should try to accommodate consumers and not expect consumers to accommodate products. Better to have a TV that can handle people viewing from a variety of angles than to dismiss it by suggesting everyone should arrange their households and limit their guests to accommodate the perfect viewing cone.

I'm sure that for a majority of use in a majority of households, viewing straight on is fine. I doubt it's anywhere close to 99.9% and suspect the percentage is meaningful enough to be worth it as a product feature. This is not an issue for CRT's, plasma, or even IPS LCD screens for the most part.
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If you are telling me that I can get a 70 inch P series for somewhere in the mid 2G's then I am completely in. Wish they were making an 80 inch!!!!

P702ui-B3 has an MSRP of $2,599.99 MSRP: http://store.vizio.com/news/vizio-an...y-led-smart-tv


It's likely that Costco is going to carry these once they come out and Costco has been offering discounts of ~$100 on the new 60" 2014 M-Series.


Sounds to me like you should be completely in :-)
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P702ui-B3 has an MSRP of $2,599.99 MSRP: http://store.vizio.com/news/vizio-an...y-led-smart-tv


It's likely that Costco is going to carry these once they come out and Costco has been offering discounts of ~$100 on the new 60" 2014 M-Series.


Sounds to me like you should be completely in :-)
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