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Basically it should be a step up in almost every way. More so than the E to the M....No one knows how much difference to expect as there has been no production comparisons. Asking that type of question is like asking how will the 2015 compare to the 2014 sets If money is a main concern go with the M series, if not the P...
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4k,
more LDZ
Better Processing (24/48P)
HDCP 2.2
HDMI 2.0
better design (personal opinion I prefer the gunmetal grey)
HEVC H.265
"V6" 6 Core processor


Basically it should be a step up in almost every way. More so than the E to the M....No one knows how much difference to expect as there has been no production comparisons. Asking that type of question is like asking how will the 2015 compare to the 2014 sets If money is a main concern go with the M series, if not the P...

Ph8te has this pretty much spot-on. The P has a 960 action rate versus the 720 action rate of the M, so it should have better motion handling which may be the result of a brighter backlight.


In general, 4K on a 55" screen is somewhat of a waste unless you will be sitting very close to the screen, but the additional dimming zones and higher action rate should result in improved picture quality for some content.


The 55" M is now $850 and the 55" P has an MSRP of $1400, so the price difference is $550 or 65%. The 60" M is $1200 and the 65" M is $1500, so if you have space for a larger screen but are on a budget of under $1500, those might be other options to also consider...
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Ph8te has this pretty much spot-on. The P has a 1200 action rate versus the 720 action rate of the M, so it should have better motion handling which may be the result of a brighter backlight.


In general, 4K on a 55" screen is somewhat of a waste unless you will be sitting very close to the screen, but the additional dimming zones and higher action rate should result in improved picture quality for some content.


The 55" M is now $850 and the 55" P has an MSRP of $1400, so the price difference is $550 or 65%. The 60" M is $1200 and the 65" M is $1500, so if you have space for a larger screen but are on a budget of under $1500, those might be other options to also consider...

R series has 1200, P series I believe is 960.


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R series has 1200, P series I believe is 960.


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That's what I was thinking but not what my fingers typed - thanks for the catch - I fixed the original post.
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That's what I was thinking but not what my fingers typed - thanks for the catch - I fixed the original post.
I understand the R series will also have a 10-bit panel....

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Dolby Vision blu-rays would need to be remastered with Dolby Vision WCG data. I think Sony and Toshiba use XY color data of current 1080p blurays to extrapolate a wider color gamut. I would guess since the Vizio can do DV it would be capable of WCG extrapolation as well.

Here is a Google translation of the Toshiba WCG restoration feature.

"By restoring a wide gamut restore database 6144 item using a color coordinate of the 64 axes consideration (limit of the material color) optimal color colors compressed to the gamut of the digital broadcasting, to the maximum color gamut of panel has expanded. In addition, I can now color reproduction vivid more natural, also corresponds to (ITU-R BT.2020) wide color gamut video input anew."
TY, so basically in Layman's terms it can process colors to make them look a little better than on a non HDR-ish tv? Just not quite as expanded color range as Dolby vision discs?
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TY, so basically in Layman's terms it can process colors to make them look a little better than on a non HDR-ish tv? Just not quite as expanded color range as Dolby vision discs?
this photo is a good example of hdr it adds back the colors and details that are usually lost. if a set has a better range of colors it can display things like fire etc. more realistically as if you were there in person.


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this photo is a good example of hdr it adds back the colors and details that are usually lost. if a set has a better range of colors it can display things like fire etc. more realistically as if you were there in person.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/nathan...go/8437065062/
Thanks, I'm aware My question was regarding how the R series can handle ungraded (non-HDR) content. It appears as if it can assist with expanding the colors and contrast somewhat? Just not to such a great extent as graded content? My apologies for the derail again.
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this photo is a good example of hdr it adds back the colors and details that are usually lost. if a set has a better range of colors it can display things like fire etc. more realistically as if you were there in person.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/nathan...go/8437065062/
Or (possibly my bad?) was the flickr comparison a precise example of the question?
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Or (possibly my bad?) was the flickr comparison a precise example of the question?
im not entirely sure from the website it would seem that it can do so, but from what i heard from the vizio cto interview it has to be remastered and will be available via streaming initially. heres the interview he mentions HDR around the 2:50 mark.

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60" P now visible at Amazon (in addition to the 55" and the 70" which can be ordered): http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-P552ui-B...ywords=Vizio+P
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Ph8te has this pretty much spot-on. The P has a 960 action rate versus the 720 action rate of the M, so it should have better motion handling which may be the result of a brighter backlight.


In general, 4K on a 55" screen is somewhat of a waste unless you will be sitting very close to the screen, but the additional dimming zones and higher action rate should result in improved picture quality for some content.


The 55" M is now $850 and the 55" P has an MSRP of $1400, so the price difference is $550 or 65%. The 60" M is $1200 and the 65" M is $1500, so if you have space for a larger screen but are on a budget of under $1500, those might be other options to also consider...
I thought the 55 was supposed to sub 1000?
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I thought the 55 was supposed to sub 1000?

50" is sub-$1000: http://www.vizio.com/news/vizio-anno...y-led-smart-tv
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Ahh, don't know how I messed that up. I thought the smallest size was 55". Man, I'm all confused! Hey, 50" is better because 55" would have really been to big for the bedroom. I'll take 50. Any ideas when the 50 comes out?
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I'll probably pick up a 50" P for testing and to replace an LG which calibrates poorly. It'll be in the Sun Room and will mostly be viewed under fairly bright conditions. The assumption is that the P will have similar calibration abilities as the M with 2 point Grayscale, 11 point Grayscale, and a full Color Management System for both the primary and secondary colors. My son has pre ordered a 70" P so I'll have something to compare it with, especially how well the local dimming works in the two sizes.
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Ahh, don't know how I messed that up. I thought the smallest size was 55". Man, I'm all confused! Hey, 50" is better because 55" would have really been to big for the bedroom. I'll take 50. Any ideas when the 50 comes out?
So far the 50" that has not been seen for pre-order. Most of the remaining sizes have appeared and are expected for delivery Sept./Oct.
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Been waiting for this one for a while mainly do to the 60hz 4k and 120hz @ 1080p which I really couldn't give up. I ordered the 70 inch from amazon. Can't wait!
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how many zones?

Is the 70 inch the only P series with 72 dimming zones?

According to the Amazon listings, the 55" and 60" have 64, but I'm wondering about the unlisted 65".

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Is the 70 inch the only P series with 72 dimming zones?

According to the Amazon listings, the 55" and 60" have 64, but I'm wondering about the unlisted 65".
The m65(32 zones) has slightly less zones than the m70(36 zones), but honestly it's anyone's guess what they will be until it appears.
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Is the 70 inch the only P series with 72 dimming zones?

According to the Amazon listings, the 55" and 60" have 64, but I'm wondering about the unlisted 65".

It's the same amount as the 55 and 60 (64
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The Vizio website says the P-Series has "Up to 72 Zones", so I'd imagine the largest panel will have the most zones? If any of them have it, I'd expect the 70 to have 72.

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The Vizio website says the P-Series has "Up to 72 Zones", so I'd imagine the largest panel will have the most zones? If any of them have it, I'd expect the 70 to have 72.

No?
what hes more than likely saying is that the 65" probaly has the same amount of zones as the 55 and 60
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The Vizio website says the P-Series has "Up to 72 Zones", so I'd imagine the largest panel will have the most zones? If any of them have it, I'd expect the 70 to have 72.



No?

That is correct 70=72, 65, 60, 55 and most likely 50 will be 64. Think double the previous model (m doubles E, p doubles m)


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Great find!

Great find, ph8te! I took a quick look through it and it looks like the only differences are in the connections diagram. (Not sure if we were expecting anything different, especially just for the quick start guide!)
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That video with the dual view of the program on the left and the local dimming in action on the right was interesting.

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Vizio still doesn't have integrated screen mirroring? Would be cool to pair it with fast 802.11 AC.
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4k/30Hz, I hope this isn't true. If you look at the 70", on the Vizio site, the picture of the hdmi's says that's what it is.
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Thanks, I've seen that interview My question was regarding current standard (non-graded) blurays... like if you watch a regular 1080 p bluray on the vizeo reference series, will it look the same as if you watched it on a current 4k TV?
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4k/30Hz, I hope this isn't true. If you look at the 70", on the Vizio site, the picture of the hdmi's says that's what it is.
It should have one 4K@60Hz input, HDMI 5

Click the below link and then click again on the image.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/A1QnnPvpakL.jpg
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