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Is it possible/likely that Vizio will talk about the next version of the P-series at CES 2015?

I ask because with an October release, it'll only be 3 months until CES and I wonder if they'll unveil a new/improved P-series at that time.

If they did, I'd feel a bit sheepish about buying a 2014 P-series in October.
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I'd feel a bit sheepish about buying a 2014 P-series in October.
As opposed to buying a 2015 P series in October.
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P series 50" power is 153watts. That's pretty higher, the 60" E series is like 85watts.

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Is it possible/likely that Vizio will talk about the next version of the P-series at CES 2015?

I ask because with an October release, it'll only be 3 months until CES and I wonder if they'll unveil a new/improved P-series at that time.

If they did, I'd feel a bit sheepish about buying a 2014 P-series in October.
I've seen it rumored that Vizio wont be at CES 2015 as their release schedule and announcements begin before CES and are staggered throughout the year. If you feel sheepish for a 2014 TV in 2014, will you wait until next October for the 2015 model? Vizio seems to stick the same release schedules year to year, so any 2015 of the P/R wont be released until the end of 2015 (if they follow the same release schedule). What's the personal cutoff 4 months? 5 months? the next big thing is always "just around the corner", if you don't need to buy then don't and wait to see what 2015 brings. I would only recommend upgrading if there is a "need" or you upgrade regularly.
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P series 50" power is 153watts. That's pretty higher, the 60" E series is like 85watts.
4K set generally use more energy and the Vizios seem to be just around the average as far as that goes.
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As opposed to buying a 2015 P series in October.
Good call. Which raises another question. Will the P-Series will always come out late in the year like this? Or could it be that once the initial model is out, the '15 and '16 versions will release in the summer?

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I've seen it rumored that Vizio wont be at CES 2015 as their release schedule and announcements begin before CES and are staggered throughout the year. If you feel sheepish for a 2014 TV in 2014, will you wait until next October for the 2015 model? Vizio seems to stick the same release schedules year to year, so any 2015 of the P/R wont be released until the end of 2015 (if they follow the same release schedule). What's the personal cutoff 4 months? 5 months? the next big thing is always "just around the corner", if you don't need to buy then don't and wait to see what 2015 brings. I would only recommend upgrading if there is a "need" or you upgrade regularly.
This is also a good call. I wasn't aware they weren't coming to CES in '15 and also wan't sure if they'd stick with their release schedule.

I've been sure that I'd get a P-series for months, but only one HDMI input being 2.0 made me wonder if I should wait until the 2015 version.
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I WAS convinced that I was going to buy a P-series as soon as they were released...but after seeing what the R-series might be capable of, I will probably wait. Then I can compare the two side-by-side, and also look for some reviews and user feedback...

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Good call. Which raises another question. Will the P-Series will always come out late in the year like this? Or could it be that once the initial model is out, the '15 and '16 versions will release in the summer?



This is also a good call. I wasn't aware they weren't coming to CES in '15 and also wan't sure if they'd stick with their release schedule.

I've been sure that I'd get a P-series for months, but only one HDMI input being 2.0 made me wonder if I should wait until the 2015 version.
Are there a lot of HT devices that have need of the HDMI 2.0 spec? Since we have no physical media standard "ultra" blu-ray 2.0/4k or whatever marketing ends up calling it.
I haven't built a PC in about 4 years, so I am not sure if video cards currently support HDMI 2.0 for 4k at 60 frames. Maybe we'll see a Vizio AVR or some sort with multiple 2.0 passthroughs.
Vizio could be assuming that most enthusiast will have a set-up with HDMI 2.0 support.
Since most manufacturers put sub par speakers in their sets assuming you'll buy a HT in a box or soundbar.

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While vizio is listing the tv as 240hz in the specs, the hdmi has 30hz and 60hz below them. Can someone please explain this to me as that totally confused me. I want to buy the TV mostly for sports and movies so I want to make sure there will be no blur.
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It's just interpolation, aka artificial... fake... good for marketing to suckers doe. Real refresh rate for 1080p TVs are 60hz. 4k @ HDMI 2.0 is 60hz, and 120hz @ 1080p. Good thing this one is the latter.
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While vizio is listing the tv as 240hz in the specs, the hdmi has 30hz and 60hz below them. Can someone please explain this to me as that totally confused me. I want to buy the TV mostly for sports and movies so I want to make sure there will be no blur.


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It's just interpolation, aka artificial... fake... good for marketing to suckers doe. Real refresh rate for 1080p TVs are 60hz. 4k @ HDMI 2.0 is 60hz, and 120hz @ 1080p. Good thing this one is the latter.

The inputs are marked for max resolution available for 4k. For 4k you will need to know what the input is capable of. Since this is a 240hz panel and does 1080 120hz you should be fine with movies. The P series should offer better motion than we have seen in the e and m series.

Since you are concerned about motion blur, I would wait for reviews and owners to report back before purchasing. There may sill be blur present even if minimal amounts.


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Good call. Which raises another question. Will the P-Series will always come out late in the year like this? Or could it be that once the initial model is out, the '15 and '16 versions will release in the summer?



This is also a good call. I wasn't aware they weren't coming to CES in '15 and also wan't sure if they'd stick with their release schedule.

I've been sure that I'd get a P-series for months, but only one HDMI input being 2.0 made me wonder if I should wait until the 2015 version.

This is just my opinion, but if Vizio continues to run lean personnel-wise as they have all along, I think it's likely that their release schedules for the four TV lines (E, M, P, and R) will continue to be similar to what we've seen this year. It's likely that the same marketing team performs new release functions for each line in the first, second, third, and fourth quarter releases respectively. One release a quarter.


That allows the minimum number of headcount, with the team not having to worry as much about other teams influencing look and feel of the marketing materials. It looks like a single product family that way.


Again, this is just my opinion. But their ostensible reason for abandoning CES and NOT tailoring product release schedules to CES would make sense then.
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Good call. Which raises another question. Will the P-Series will always come out late in the year like this? Or could it be that once the initial model is out, the '15 and '16 versions will release in the summer?



This is also a good call. I wasn't aware they weren't coming to CES in '15 and also wan't sure if they'd stick with their release schedule.

I've been sure that I'd get a P-series for months, but only one HDMI input being 2.0 made me wonder if I should wait until the 2015 version.

It has 3 HDMI 2.0 HDCP 2.2 inputs. Maybe you are referring to 4K@60 input? Then yes only one. Do you need more than one at this moment? By the time actual devices outside of PCs use it, there will be AVRs that passthru the information and you'll only really need one anyways.

I don't see Vizio changing the release schedule. If it's not broke why fiddle with it? They get the high volume sets out 1st and then the lower volume "HQ" sets closer to they end of the year.

Personally I'm not looking at the p series for the 4K but rather the upgraded hardware and processing it offers. 4k is still to young to buy a set mainly for that unless use it for a PC monitor or to display pictures or home shot 4k video.

By the time next year rolls around we should start hearing more information on BR 4k and it's requirements. Once those start to get solidified it will be easier to buy a set "for" 4k viewing.


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FYI: Amazon updated me that my 70 inch P is due Oct 16-Oct 23

You also can no longer pre-order it, so maybe they sold out or just stopped taking orders.

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FYI: Amazon updated me that my 70 inch P is due Oct 16-Oct 23

You also can no longer pre-order it, so maybe they sold out or just stopped taking orders.
Wow, that's a bummer I was going to pre order in a couple days. Does amazon website say that in advance?
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Wow, that's a bummer I was going to pre order in a couple days. Does amazon website say that in advance?
What do you mean? You just cannot add it to your cart for now.

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FYI: Amazon updated me that my 70 inch P is due Oct 16-Oct 23

You also can no longer pre-order it, so maybe they sold out or just stopped taking orders.
Wow, no P-series at all on Amazon. Even if they were sold out, they wouldn't miss out on the opportunity to take your order and then say it will be shipped when it becomes available. Something else must be going on....

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FYI: Amazon updated me that my 70 inch P is due Oct 16-Oct 23

I got a delivery estimate this morning on my pre-order of the 55" as being between 21 October and 25 October.

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Wow, that's a bummer I was going to pre order in a couple days. Does amazon website say that in advance?

Are you asking whether they say "you must pre-order by such-and-such date"? I don't think so. For currently in-stock items they will warn you that there are only x many left.

In any case I think that it's all hogwash. They'll ship them when they get stock and they really don't know when that will be. I got a 10% off coupon for signing up for Vizio's mailing list; if the 55" or 60" show up on Vizio's site before Amazon, I'll order from them and cancel. I did order a SquareTrade warranty at the same time (they've already snapped up their money); I'm not sure whether that requires that I buy from Amazon.

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FYI: Amazon updated me that my 70 inch P is due Oct 16-Oct 23

You also can no longer pre-order it, so maybe they sold out or just stopped taking orders.

Just as an FYI this same thing happened with the M65 when they had it up early. The delivery estimates are just that estimates. I wouldn't judge anything by what Amazon has done today, they will all be back and may go in and out of availability until we get closer to they official release date.


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Amazon has said my 70" is estimated October 17 - October 24th.
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Is it possible/likely that Vizio will talk about the next version of the P-series at CES 2015?

I ask because with an October release, it'll only be 3 months until CES and I wonder if they'll unveil a new/improved P-series at that time.

If they did, I'd feel a bit sheepish about buying a 2014 P-series in October.

I believe shortly after CES2014 they posted that they wouldnt be attending 2015 as it isn't in-line with their product development and release cycles - as we've seen this year with products coming out in summer and fall.
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Their release schedule has been pretty goofy IMHO. One of their big selling points was price, but they're out so late in the year that the competition's equivalent products have come down to similar prices. You can get the UN55HU8550 for around $1500 from several e-tailers. They have to have lost many sales to people who stopped waiting. I personally have only lasted this long because of a strong interest in FALD and a desire for the higher level of tech in the P-Series.
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Their release schedule has been pretty goofy IMHO. One of their big selling points was price, but they're out so late in the year that the competition's equivalent products have come down to similar prices. You can get the UN55HU8550 for around $1500 from several e-tailers. They have to have lost many sales to people who stopped waiting. I personally have only lasted this long because of a strong interest in FALD and a desire for the higher level of tech in the P-Series.
I'm in the same situation. I have waited because I am very interested in FALD technology, and want to see what they can do with it in combination with 4k/UHD displays. Now I'm considering waiting even longer for the R series, because it looks to have so much promise. At some point though, I will feel like I need to take the plunge. If the R65 doesn't arrive by November-ish, then I'm not sure I can keep waiting...

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I'm in the same situation. I have waited because I am very interested in FALD technology, and want to see what they can do with it in combination with 4k/UHD displays. Now I'm considering waiting even longer for the R series, because it looks to have so much promise. At some point though, I will feel like I need to take the plunge. If the R65 doesn't arrive by November-ish, then I'm not sure I can keep waiting...
Well the m series had about 10 or 11 models to release, only 6 for the P series so far. Let's hope it doesn't take them 3 months for such a small amount. I'm hoping we see news of the R series pricing atleast by the end of November or I'm sure most will write it off.
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It's just interpolation, aka artificial... fake... good for marketing to suckers doe. Real refresh rate for 1080p TVs are 60hz. 4k @ HDMI 2.0 is 60hz, and 120hz @ 1080p. Good thing this one is the latter.
Not necessarily. My 3 Yr. old Sharp 80" has a true refresh rate of 120 Hz. If I watch a 24 fps presentation with the smooth motion OFF, the TV actually shows each frame 5 times (5 x 24 = 120). This is much preferable to the 60 Hz 3/2 ratio which gives an uneven judder during pans and rolling credits. The difference can easily be seen. LED backlight strobing is something else entirely and has nothing to do with the actual refresh rate, and that's where those huge numbers come from - E.g. 480, 960, 1200, etc.
A 60 fps presentation will have each frame completely shown twice to arrive at 120 Hz. on my set.
In smooth motion, a 120 Hz set will typically insert 4 interpolated (made up) frames between the actual frames. It looks okay a lot of the time but gets easily confused when the motion is not included in the entire frame.
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P502ui-B1 vs P502ui-B1E

I have been monitoring the Vizio Store site. Although, I am not interested in that size, I was curious about the differences between the P502ui-B1 and the P502ui-B1E, so I did a comparison. I found three things. First, the B1 has 1.07 billion colors vs. 16.7 million for the B1E. Second the B1 has a refresh rate of 240Hz vs 120Hz for the B1E. Finally, the real kicker - price. The higher featured B1 is quoted at $999.00, while the lower featured B1E is priced at - wait for it - $10,000.00!
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I have been monitoring the Vizio Store site. Although, I am not interested in that size, I was curious about the differences between the P502ui-B1 and the P502ui-B1E, so I did a comparison. I found three things. First, the B1 has 1.07 billion colors vs. 16.7 million for the B1E. Second the B1 has a refresh rate of 240Hz vs 120Hz for the B1E. Finally, the real kicker - price. The higher featured B1 is quoted at $999.00, while the lower featured B1E is priced at - wait for it - $10,000.00!
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I have been monitoring the Vizio Store site. Although, I am not interested in that size, I was curious about the differences between the P502ui-B1 and the P502ui-B1E, so I did a comparison. I found three things. First, the B1 has 1.07 billion colors vs. 16.7 million for the B1E. Second the B1 has a refresh rate of 240Hz vs 120Hz for the B1E. Finally, the real kicker - price. The higher featured B1 is quoted at $999.00, while the lower featured B1E is priced at - wait for it - $10,000.00!
That is actually really good news. So the 50" P-B1 either uses an 8-bit + FRC IPS panel from LG as has been speculated or a 10-bit VA panel. Both of which will be solid options with a 10 bit VA panel obviously being my preferred option. I really hope we do in fact get some 10 bit panels in these sets but I am not holding my breath.
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I have been monitoring the Vizio Store site. Although, I am not interested in that size, I was curious about the differences between the P502ui-B1 and the P502ui-B1E, so I did a comparison. I found three things. First, the B1 has 1.07 billion colors vs. 16.7 million for the B1E. Second the B1 has a refresh rate of 240Hz vs 120Hz for the B1E. Finally, the real kicker - price. The higher featured B1 is quoted at $999.00, while the lower featured B1E is priced at - wait for it - $10,000.00!

I posted about that a few days back in the "all models" thread (here); it appeared later the same day that they put up the other models. Obviously that price has to be an error; you can only see prices if you do comparisons, so they really haven't announced a price for this previously unannounced product. It's an odd duck in any case. Why do they think that there's a need for it? It's like there being both 50" and 49" M-Series models (though they haven't actually produced the 50").

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That is actually really good news. So the 50" P-B1 either uses an 8-bit + FRC IPS panel from LG as has been speculated or a 10-bit VA panel. Both of which will be solid options with a 10 bit VA panel obviously being my preferred option. I really hope we do in fact get some 10 bit panels in these sets but I am not holding my breath.
My guess is that 10-bit panels will be reserved for the R-Series, while the P-series will be entry level UHD sets with 8-bit panels. Rec 709 colorspace and 8-bit panels still meet the minimum requirements for the CEA UHD standard.

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