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I am getting the Vizio E600i-B3 delivered in a couple of week now that my Sony 34xbr910 has the dreaded 6 LED blink error. It was a lovely TV.
Anyways..has anyone tried these setting? http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-hdtv-settings ?
Opinions?
Also, how can I find a link to the CNet settings that everyone talks about?
Has anyone tried calibrating this set with Spyder4 or Calman or any other hardware calibrators?
Sound and Vision settings are for the 55", and they won't work for the E600i-b3, different panels. The E600i-b3 uses Sharp Panels. Very nice IMO.

These are the settings I'm using for my E600i-b3, most of it is from Beardontwalk123 settings. It really looks great with these. Doesn't mean it will look the same on your, even if it's the same model. Just keep that in mind.

---Picture settings menu---
Picture Mode: Custom 1
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 55
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 79
Color: 55
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced Picture submenu---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active LED Zones: Off
Motion Blur Reduction: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Picture Size: [no change]
Picture Position: [no change]
Film Mode: Auto
Wide: Normal

---Professional Picture submenu---
Color Tuner:
Red [Hue, Saturation, Brightness]: -50, 0, -20
Green: 0, 0, 0
Blue: -50, -39, 50
Cyan: 17, 0, 4
Magenta: 0, 0, 0
Yellow: 0, 0, 0

Red offset: -1
Red gain: 3
Green offset: 2
Green Gain: -6
Blue offset: -4
Blue gain: -2

11-point white balance:
[Red, Green and Blue gain]
5%: 0, 0, 0
10%: -28, -33, -33
20%: -23, -27, -20
30%: -30, -32, -33
40%: -30, -31, -36
50%: -29, -29, -36
60%: -27, -23, -32
70%: -27, -21, -33
80%: -20, -18, -31
90%: -20, -10, -30
100%: 0, 0, 0

The E600i-b3 is a great choice IMO. I recommend just keeping Active LED Zones Off. There really isn't that much difference between On and Off. Let us know how everything turns out.

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So, I have both the 42" and the 50". I've noticed that with the Active LED Zones on, the 42" behaves perfectly, with almost no blooming. But the 50" is pretty horrendous. For example, when you have a black screen with white letter in the middle, there is basically an entire horizontal patch of light from the left side of the screen to the right. This is not the case on my 42".

Another example is while I'm playing The Last Of Us. You know the loading screen with the yellow dust or whatever, that moves from left to right. My 50" doesn't even seem to register that there's anything on the screen, and shuts the backlight off completely. Only a couple times during the loading screen does one of the LED zones ever turn back on, and you can see the yellow dust. In contrast, I don't believe my 42" even ever shuts off the LED completely.

Luckily, I think blacks are good enough that I can leave Active LEDs off, but I'm just curious if anybody else is having this problem.
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But the 50" is pretty horrendous. For example, when you have a black screen with white letter in the middle, there is basically an entire horizontal patch of light from the left side of the screen to the right.

Luckily, I think blacks are good enough that I can leave Active LEDs off, but I'm just curious if anybody else is having this problem.
I keep seeing people complaining about Active LED, but I'm not seeing the least hint of it. None at all and I find the blacks to be just very dark grays without it on, while turning it on delivers black blacks, probably because the gamma is in line. The only time I saw blooming was when I first set the TV up and used the Calibrated preset to watch a bit of The Clone Wars on Netflix. There was a blooming glow around the figures and I was like, "Uh-oh...I have a bad feeling about this," but after calibration it's been sharp and dimensional without blooming.

I tried beardontwalk123's settings and ditched them faster than gregka's. If the 60" panels are different from the 50" ones, then it's useless to try those settings. The lack of 50" settings is really making life difficult. I almost want to hunt down Vizio's engineers and punch them in the junk for not allowing copying of settings across inputs. These jokers must not actually use their TVs, just lock onto the Keeping Up With The Kardashians marathon.

I've been watching the hybrid Amazon User/WOW settings I listed above and most of the time they look quite nice. Punchy, clear and vibrant without looking hyped (like Samsung SAMOLED phone panels do). But occasionally skin tones look flat (whether Active LED is on or off) and "off." Other times they look right on the money. The prevalence of radical color-grading in film doesn't help much since they're going for a "look" not an accurate rendition.

Q: Is there a way to have close-captions come on when you mute the audio? My old Philips did this, but apparently this one can't. Bummer.
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I wouldn't really call it complaining. After all, I even mentioned that my 42" doesn't have this particular problem, and I actually enjoy using it.

But if there is, in fact, something wrong with my television, even if I don't use the the feature much, I would like to know. Because I am getting a LOT of blooming on my 50".
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I keep seeing people complaining about Active LED, but I'm not seeing the least hint of it. None at all and I find the blacks to be just very dark grays without it on, while turning it on delivers black blacks, probably because the gamma is in line. The only time I saw blooming was when I first set the TV up and used the Calibrated preset to watch a bit of The Clone Wars on Netflix. There was a blooming glow around the figures and I was like, "Uh-oh...I have a bad feeling about this," but after calibration it's been sharp and dimensional without blooming.

I tried beardontwalk123's settings and ditched them faster than gregka's. If the 60" panels are different from the 50" ones, then it's useless to try those settings. The lack of 50" settings is really making life difficult. I almost want to hunt down Vizio's engineers and punch them in the junk for not allowing copying of settings across inputs. These jokers must not actually use their TVs, just lock onto the Keeping Up With The Kardashians marathon.

I've been watching the hybrid Amazon User/WOW settings I listed above and most of the time they look quite nice. Punchy, clear and vibrant without looking hyped (like Samsung SAMOLED phone panels do). But occasionally skin tones look flat (whether Active LED is on or off) and "off." Other times they look right on the money. The prevalence of radical color-grading in film doesn't help much since they're going for a "look" not an accurate rendition.

Q: Is there a way to have close-captions come on when you mute the audio? My old Philips did this, but apparently this one can't. Bummer.
Each model has it's own panel, and they all seem different. But the B3 models are made by Sharp, and by default the blacks are great. I believe the 50" was about the last to come out, so, they might have designed it better to work with ALZ's. But I think the B3's are probably the best in the line at setting up a good picture, without to much work. The 55" seems the hardest to get right, and has other flaws as well. I'm going to guess that the B3's in the P series will be the best as well. Since they are the new Sharp 4k panels. I would love to buy the 60" P series, but I don't want to spend $1800 on a tv. Not with VR right around the corner.

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So I purchased the 42" and when it arrived it was shattered. I'm sending it back and actually upgrading to the 48".

I was wondering what are the best settings for this tv. I will be mostly using it for Sports and my Xbox One .... I read somewhere I should make two different settings. Using the "game" mode for games, but still customize it ... then for movies/sports use a the calibrated setting but adjust it also.

If someone can just give me a rundown if this TV is legit, have they updated the SD aspect ratio and what are some good settings to start out with for both movies/sports and games.
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They have the 70" version at Walmart stores now for $1499. (Not a special, regular price by the looks of it)

No wall display, just in the box. I double-checked the model number after the Target fiasco and it was E700i-B3, as it should be.

The thing that stood out to me is how small the box is for a 70" TV. Vizio really doesn't believe in using extra packaging.

Does anyone know if the extended warranty Walmart offers is worth it in this case?
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They have the 70" version at Walmart stores now for $1499. (Not a special, regular price by the looks of it)

No wall display, just in the box. I double-checked the model number after the Target fiasco and it was E700i-B3, as it should be.

The thing that stood out to me is how small the box is for a 70" TV. Vizio really doesn't believe in using extra packaging.

Does anyone know if the extended warranty Walmart offers is worth it in this case?
Walmart is using SquareTrade now. It's suppose to be good. But I don't think you have to buy it from Walmart. You can go through Vizio, or SquareTrade webpage. I think it might be cheaper that way.

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Sound and Vision settings are for the 55", and they won't work for the E600i-b3, different panels. The E600i-b3 uses Sharp Panels. Very nice IMO.

These are the settings I'm using for my E600i-b3, most of it is from Beardontwalk123 settings. It really looks great with these. Doesn't mean it will look the same on your, even if it's the same model. Just keep that in mind.

---Picture settings menu---
Picture Mode: Custom 1
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 55
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 79
Color: 55
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced Picture submenu---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active LED Zones: Off
Motion Blur Reduction: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Picture Size: [no change]
Picture Position: [no change]
Film Mode: Auto
Wide: Normal

---Professional Picture submenu---
Color Tuner:
Red [Hue, Saturation, Brightness]: -50, 0, -20
Green: 0, 0, 0
Blue: -50, -39, 50
Cyan: 17, 0, 4
Magenta: 0, 0, 0
Yellow: 0, 0, 0

Red offset: -1
Red gain: 3
Green offset: 2
Green Gain: -6
Blue offset: -4
Blue gain: -2

11-point white balance:
[Red, Green and Blue gain]
5%: 0, 0, 0
10%: -28, -33, -33
20%: -23, -27, -20
30%: -30, -32, -33
40%: -30, -31, -36
50%: -29, -29, -36
60%: -27, -23, -32
70%: -27, -21, -33
80%: -20, -18, -31
90%: -20, -10, -30
100%: 0, 0, 0

The E600i-b3 is a great choice IMO. I recommend just keeping Active LED Zones Off. There really isn't that much difference between On and Off. Let us know how everything turns out.
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Tried your settings. Thanks Meant for a really dark room, but even in a dark room unable to display real red real white, deep blacks do not exist here. If you want to keep this "movie mode" that old TV's have you should at least increase the blacks to show depth. It looks like you removed all the options that make this
stand out from the others.

Here are mine as of today
Picture Mode: Custom 1
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 100
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 80
Color: 70
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 50

--Advanced Picture submenu---
Color temperature: Cool
Black Detail: HIGH <<<<

Active LED Zones: OFF
Motion Blur Reduction: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Low
Reduce Block Noise: Low
Picture Size: [no change]
Picture Position: [no change]
Film Mode: Auto
Wide: Normal


In addition I like these from another member:

Red-saturation- neg 20
Red-bright- pos 5
Green-saturation- pos 7
Green-bright- neg 2
Blue-bright- neg 14
Cyan-saturation- pos 10
Cyan-bright- pos 2
Magenta-saturation- pos 4
Magenta-bright- neg 14
Yellow-hue- neg 10
Yellow-saturation- pos 30
Yellow-bright- pos 50
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Well, it must be a good thing that I'm in a dark room huh? I would board over the windows as well, but I have vertical blinds, and they block a good bit of light during the day. The blacks are great with these settings, you can't tell where the bezel is around the screen ends, and the screen begins, the blacks are that good, and that's with Active LED Zones Off. I can turn on the light, and the picture is just fine.

The whites are set to see 254 white images on the test. If you want bright, bright whites, change to computer mode. Whites will be 255. I like the whites a bit duller, without hurting the over all picture, easier on the eye, yet, still very white, 235

You must have a really bright room, with the backlight at 100. Mine is setup like a dark theater room, I even have a nice theater chair.

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Tried your settings. Thanks Meant for a really dark room, but even in a dark room unable to display real red real white, deep blacks do not exist here. If you want to keep this "movie mode" that old TV's have you should at least increase the blacks to show depth. It looks like you removed all the options that make this
stand out from the others.

Here are mine as of today
Picture Mode: Custom 1
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 100
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 80
Color: 70
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 50

--Advanced Picture submenu---
Color temperature: Cool
Black Detail: HIGH <<<<

Active LED Zones: OFF
Motion Blur Reduction: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Low
Reduce Block Noise: Low
Picture Size: [no change]
Picture Position: [no change]
Film Mode: Auto
Wide: Normal


In addition I like these from another member:

Red-saturation- neg 20
Red-bright- pos 5
Green-saturation- pos 7
Green-bright- neg 2
Blue-bright- neg 14
Cyan-saturation- pos 10
Cyan-bright- pos 2
Magenta-saturation- pos 4
Magenta-bright- neg 14
Yellow-hue- neg 10
Yellow-saturation- pos 30
Yellow-bright- pos 50

It's all personal choice. "Black Detail" usually crush blacks, which is why it's set to off. Also per the S&V review the BD setting skewed the skin tones....In the end as long as your happy with the end result is all that matters


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I'm new here; have been looking around for an answer to the 11 point white balance not saving on the e600i-b3. Like you mentioned earlier in the thread, it saves for a while, sometimes even for a day, but it always seems to reset to zeroes across the board sooner or later, with everything else saving just fine. I haven't gone over the rest of the thread, but I take it you traded it in? I most likely won't as i'm happy with it especially considering the price, but it is rather annoying. Nobody else has this problem?
Yes Paul, I did trade it in......I was a great tv and I probably would have kept it had it saved the settings. I never did figure out the problem with it and I now have a Samsung plasma. You could try trading in for another 60E, it seems like there are quite a bit of people who have the same tv's and theirs saves fine so idk........I had a 55inch E series before that and it saved fine.
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I keep seeing people complaining about Active LED, but I'm not seeing the least hint of it. None at all and I find the blacks to be just very dark grays without it on, while turning it on delivers black blacks, probably because the gamma is in line. The only time I saw blooming was when I first set the TV up and used the Calibrated preset to watch a bit of The Clone Wars on Netflix. There was a blooming glow around the figures and I was like, "Uh-oh...I have a bad feeling about this," but after calibration it's been sharp and dimensional without blooming.

I tried beardontwalk123's settings and ditched them faster than gregka's. If the 60" panels are different from the 50" ones, then it's useless to try those settings. The lack of 50" settings is really making life difficult. I almost want to hunt down Vizio's engineers and punch them in the junk for not allowing copying of settings across inputs. These jokers must not actually use their TVs, just lock onto the Keeping Up With The Kardashians marathon.

I've been watching the hybrid Amazon User/WOW settings I listed above and most of the time they look quite nice. Punchy, clear and vibrant without looking hyped (like Samsung SAMOLED phone panels do). But occasionally skin tones look flat (whether Active LED is on or off) and "off." Other times they look right on the money. The prevalence of radical color-grading in film doesn't help much since they're going for a "look" not an accurate rendition.

Q: Is there a way to have close-captions come on when you mute the audio? My old Philips did this, but apparently this one can't. Bummer.
With Vizio it seems like any settings will only work for the same size.........mine was a 60inch and even then it may not be accurate. I tried someones 55 inch settings on my 60 before I calibrated mine and they were way of also so keep that in mind with the settings.
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Yes Paul, I did trade it in......I was a great tv and I probably would have kept it had it saved the settings. I never did figure out the problem with it and I now have a Samsung plasma. You could try trading in for another 60E, it seems like there are quite a bit of people who have the same tv's and theirs saves fine so idk........I had a 55inch E series before that and it saved fine.
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I just wanted to say that I noticed the same issue. This is a software bug that most likely everyone that owns the 60 inch VIZIO is experiencing but they do not know if they do not play with the settings or it does not happen at the same time for all HDMIs.
This, in addition to the ACTIVE LED ZONES issue, are the only two things that I have noticed. TV is great but there is a software bug. Hopefully VIZIO will provide a fix.
My software version is: V1.3435.0180
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I just wanted to say that I noticed the same issue. This is a software bug that most likely everyone that owns the 60 inch VIZIO is experiencing but they do not know if they do not play with the settings or it does not happen at the same time for all HDMIs.
This, in addition to the ACTIVE LED ZONES issue, are the only two things that I have noticed. TV is great but there is a software bug. Hopefully VIZIO will provide a fix.
My software version is: V1.3435.0180
Thanks
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I just wanted to say that I noticed the same issue. This is a software bug that most likely everyone that owns the 60 inch VIZIO is experiencing but they do not know if they do not play with the settings or it does not happen at the same time for all HDMIs.
This, in addition to the ACTIVE LED ZONES issue, are the only two things that I have noticed. TV is great but there is a software bug. Hopefully VIZIO will provide a fix.
My software version is: V1.3435.0180
Thanks
I have the 60" and it remembers all settings without issue. I've even pull the plug, and left it unplugged for a while, when moving the tv to my new entertainment center, and still all my settings including under professional are still there.

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I have the 60" and it remembers all settings without issue. I've even pull the plug, and left it unplugged for a while, when moving the tv to my new entertainment center, and still all my settings including under professional are still there.
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Thanks for the reply. Rememebr this applies ONLY to 11 point white balance settings. All others are OK. Is that for all HDMI inputs (the 11 - point white balamce) ? Noticed that for one HDMI they were still there

I went to VIZIO's website and got on online chat.

"Thank you for your patience. It sounds like we need to repair the TV under the VIZIO warranty. We will be sending parts to a technician in your area. The repair will be completed in the next 5-6 business days."

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So I purchased the 42" and when it arrived it was shattered. I'm sending it back and actually upgrading to the 48".

I was wondering what are the best settings for this tv. I will be mostly using it for Sports and my Xbox One .... I read somewhere I should make two different settings. Using the "game" mode for games, but still customize it ... then for movies/sports use a the calibrated setting but adjust it also.

If someone can just give me a rundown if this TV is legit, have they updated the SD aspect ratio and what are some good settings to start out with for both movies/sports and games.
anyone? anyone?
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[rant] I really don't see much point in publishing your 'settings'. If these settings were truly universal then I'd imagine Vizio would simply incorporate them. But since the settings depend on minor variations in the electronics of a given set, the viewing environment and most importantly personal taste, I don't see the point. Even more pointless is to publish inherently flawed pictures of the picture on a set. That's like watching a UHD 4K commercial on a 480i CRT set... [/rant]
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[rant] I really don't see much point in publishing your 'settings'. If these settings were truly universal then I'd imagine Vizio would simply incorporate them. But since the settings depend on minor variations in the electronics of a given set, the viewing environment and most importantly personal taste, I don't see the point. Even more pointless is to publish inherently flawed pictures of the picture on a set. That's like watching a UHD 4K commercial on a 480i CRT set... [/rant]
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[rant] I really don't see much point in publishing your 'settings'. If these settings were truly universal then I'd imagine Vizio would simply incorporate them. But since the settings depend on minor variations in the electronics of a given set, the viewing environment and most importantly personal taste, I don't see the point. Even more pointless is to publish inherently flawed pictures of the picture on a set. That's like watching a UHD 4K commercial on a 480i CRT set... [/rant]
Well, I used settings put on here, and they worked great for me. So, it's not pointless. I mean, it took me 10mins to enter the new settings to give them a try. I had made a new custom to not lose my old settings, and we able to switch back and forward between the 2 and see the difference easily. 10mins is nothing to waste for a chance to get close or have the perfect picture for your tv. If it fails, oh well.

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If these settings were truly universal then I'd imagine Vizio would simply incorporate them.
If Vizio (or ANY maker for that matter) cared about visual fidelity, they would ship sets with a near-perfect (allowing for panel variance) calibration out of the box and not include garbage like Vivid mode. Of course, this doesn't account for factors like room brightness or content (watching fast-moving outdoor sports or noir movies) and viewer preferences for things like crushed blacks or searing whites.
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I'm pretty much That Guy, waffling between different TVs forever, always finding a problem that keeps me from pulling the trigger.

I had been looking at the E400i-B2, and it meets pretty much everything I'm looking for (lowish input lag, good picture, nice and cheap), but the one thing that's keeping me from buying it is this clicking/humming problem. I've been looking around and there are certainly a ton of people who mention it but it's hard to find someone who checked back in a while later. Is this a problem that eventually goes away, or do you just have to keep returning them until you get one that doesn't have it? Or is it pretty much assumed that all of that particular model will have the issue? I'll be using it in a small bedroom so any noise from the thing when it's off will be very noticeable, and even if it's faint it's the kind of thing that'll drive me crazy regardless of the room. It has me almost looking back at the M422i-b1 again (which I guess has a slightly better picture and a 4th HDMI which is very nice but it's $100 more and seemingly has a bit more input lag and aaaaaaagh buying TVs).

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I'm pretty much That Guy, waffling between different TVs forever, always finding a problem that keeps me from pulling the trigger.

I had been looking at the E400i-B2, and it meets pretty much everything I'm looking for (lowish input lag, good picture, nice and cheap), but the one thing that's keeping me from buying it is this clicking/humming problem. I've been looking around and there are certainly a ton of people who mention it but it's hard to find someone who checked back in a while later. Is this a problem that eventually goes away, or do you just have to keep returning them until you get one that doesn't have it? Or is it pretty much assumed that all of that particular model will have the issue? I'll be using it in a small bedroom so any noise from the thing when it's off will be very noticeable, and even if it's faint it's the kind of thing that'll drive me crazy regardless of the room. It has me almost looking back at the M422i-b1 again (which I guess has a slightly better picture and a 4th HDMI which is very nice but it's $100 more and seemingly has a bit more input lag and aaaaaaagh buying TVs).
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Just got the 60" last week and I also have the issue where the 11pt white balance settings aren't saving. But is anyone actually noticing a change in the picture when the settings reset? Mine appears to look the same but I haven't done any testing to confirm other than eyeballing it.

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