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And another set of settings for people to try out.... These are for the E550i-B2 I have in my guest bedroom. I've had it for awhile (since early April) but only in the last couple weeks was it finally updated to a new enough firmware to even have the Professional display menu settings. This was calibrated with my SpectraCal C6 colorimeter trained to my X-Rite Eye One Pro spectroradiometer (with enhanced SpectraCal calibration tables). This is targeting a ITU-BT1886 / 2.4 gamma curve (and is very close; no error on grayscale exceeds around 1.5 dE). I found I didn't even really "run out" of room on the top end by letting it gradually drift away from it above 70%, which is bright enough that exact gamma doesn't matter much anyway and the absolute error is tiny anyway. As always, YMMV.

---Picture settings menu---
Picture Mode: Custom 1
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 70
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 85
Color: 52
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 25

--Advanced Picture submenu---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active LED Zones: On
Motion Blur Reduction: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Low
Reduce Block Noise: Low
Picture Size: [no change]
Picture Position: [no change]
Film Mode: Auto
Wide: Normal

---Professional Picture submenu---
Color Tuner:
Red [Hue, Saturation, Brightness]: 0, 4, -5
Green: 0, -4, -6
Blue: 0, -5, 4
Cyan: 26, 0, 0
Magenta: -36, -22, 11
Yellow: 14, 0, -3

Red offset: 0
Red gain: 2
Green offset: 0
Green Gain: 4
Blue offset: -1
Blue gain: 0

11-point white balance:
[Red, Green and Blue gain]
5%: -21, -21, -37
10%: -19, -19, -32
20%: -35, -31, -26
30%: -42, -34, -33
40%: -35, -29, -25
50%: -36, -33, -20
60%: -28, -13, -12
70%: -24, -30, 0
80%: -13, 2, -18
90%: -10, -23, 0
100%: -18, 10, -10

I'm definitely awe-struck at just how good this set looks for how little I paid for it; it's in the same basic territory as far as bang-for-buck as Panny's final low-end plasmas (S60, S64, ST60) from last year were.
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^ Would those settings be good for the E500i-B1 as well?
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^ Would those settings be good for the E500i-B1 as well?
No, each panel is different in each size tv.
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I'm looking for a TV that has great picture for a great price. I'm also a Console Gamer, and I was looking at the E480i-B2, the E480-B2, and the E500i-B1. Are these good TVs? I want to know because I had a frustrating experience with a Hisense TV regarding the picture.
If you can afford it the E600i-b3 is a great tv for gaming, also everything else. $828 at Sam's. Very easy to get the picture looking good as well, and there are some settings in this thread for it.

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If you can afford it the E600i-b3 is a great tv for gaming, also everything else. $828 at Sam's. Very easy to get the picture looking good as well, and there are some settings in this thread for it.
Well, the only problems I have with this TV are the price (kinda) and the size....not sure if I have enough viewing space.
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If you can fit the TV where you intend on putting it, then it's not too big. There's no such thing as the picture being too big; no matter how large it may seem initially, you quickly get used to it and if you buy something smaller than you could have fit and afforded, you're likely to end up wishing you went bigger within a few weeks...
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I'm also on a budget. The E500i-b1, from what I see, reaches the limit to how much I should pay for a TV. Plus, a certain someone in my family objects to buying a 60 inch just for a bedroom. I had a 50" in my room before, and the size was good enough.
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Vizio P series now available!


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I know what I'm getting for Christmas!!!
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E550i-B2 Firmware version?

The Netflix app on the E550i-B2 after a couple days of connectivity will decide it has had enough and starts spitting out n-w-4-2 errors (or something along those lines) meaning the Netflix app cannot connect to the Netflix servers. All other internet apps on the tv work just fine and all other devices in the house both wi-fi and connected work just fine. I contacted Vizio support and they said it was a known issue and would be corrected in the next firmware update. Until then, every time Netflix does this, I have to do a factory reset (which means 10 mins of antenna channel scans and resetting up accounts and loosing my calibrations).

I just wanted to put this out there and see if anyone else has been having these issues and also ask if anyone has this tv (E550i-B2) what firmware they are on.

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I remember wanting the M501d-A2R, but now I'm torn between two: the M501d-A2R or the E500i-B1. The M series is more pricier and has 3D ( yet I don't need 3d). Other than 3D, what's the difference in picture? I want to buy the E500i-B1, but the M series there. I hope the E series is a good buy. The only thing I know that this particular E series has over this M series is that it has a full array backlight. :/
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E700i-B3 owner comments?

Am seriously considering purchasing the Vizio E700i-B3 but have been searching for input from others who already purchased it and would be kind enough to share their experience about the E700i-B3? Any owners care to share their opinion of this TV?
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Very nice, will buy it in a couple of years at $849.99 :-) For now. the E600i-B3 is the next best thing at that price :-)
Well, considering that it only costs $600 more then the Vizio M702i-B3, it's a bargain! BTW, there's a 55" for $1400. Come around black Friday you can take off "at least" $300 from that and it comes around to $1200! Not bad, eh?
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Well, considering that it only costs $600 more then the Vizio M702i-B3, it's a bargain! BTW, there's a 55" for $1400. Come around black Friday you can take off "at least" $300 from that and it comes around to $1200! Not bad, eh?

Vizios are already discounted. I wouldn't expect a large discount (if any at all) especially so close to it's release date.


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Vizios are already discounted. I wouldn't expect a large discount (if any at all) especially so close to it's release date.


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Well, I count on it! It happens every year, especially when all other retailers will drop their prices to stay competitive, I bet $500 dollars on it! Black Friday is almost 4 months away, I guarantee you they will have discounts, and I'll have me a brand new 70" 4k before Christmas!


Vizio was the only manufacture to sell a 70" TV on Black Friday for $999, then anybody else! I bet you, no one saw that coming!
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Well, I count on it! It happens every year, especially when all other retailers will drop their prices to stay competitive, I bet $500 dollars on it! Black Friday is almost 4 months away, I guarantee you they will have discounts, and I'll have me a brand new 70" 4k before Christmas!


Vizio was the only manufacture to sell a 70" TV on Black Friday for $999, then anybody else! I bet you, no one saw that coming!

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I probably won't be, considering it's twice the resolution then my current TV, and full array LED too! There's no way in hell I can be disappointed!


I really wanted a 85" 4k TV, but maybe in 3 years when Seiki, or any other Chinese brand, makes a respectably made cheap 4k TV? Maybe Vizio will make a 85" 4k TV for $4000 to compete with Samsung, which sells for under $10,000?
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I probably won't be, considering it's twice the resolution then my current TV, and full array LED too! There's no way in hell I can be disappointed!


I really wanted a 85" 4k TV, but maybe in 3 years when Seiki, or any other Chinese brand, makes a respectably made cheap 4k TV? Maybe Vizio will make a 85" 4k TV for $4000 to compete with Samsung, which sells for under $10,000?

I wasn't referring to the TV, I was referring to the price.....as far as no way you can be disappointed heh, yeah heard that way too many times.....

Anyways there is plenty of p series discussion in the main Vizio thread and P series thread. I apologize to the E series folks for clogging up the thread.


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Just noticed this dirty screen effect on my 48" e480i-b2 today (about 3 weeks since purchase). Not entirely sure if it's been like that since I bought it or if it's developed over time... haven't had much time to tinker with the TV until today.

Picture is of a gray screen, hooked up with HDMI from my laptop.

Is this typical? If not, is DSE covered under warranty? I'm about a week past return policy for Best Buy unfortunately.
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I just got this TV, and I really like it (especially for $800!). But this active LED zone feature is absolutely perplexing. I can see that on a paused image, blacks are enhanced. However, as soon as the image starts moving, it looks like the TV is going crazy trying to figure out what to dim. As a result you see these horizontal bands on the screen lighten and darken all over the place. It's very disorienting.

But even on a paused image, if the image is of something uniform (say, a background wall) you can see very clearly that the dimming makes some parts lighter and some parts darker, almost like the wall is splotchy. Why do people ever use this feature? It's quite drastically changing the source material, just for a little bit better blacks? Am I missing something here?
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I just got this TV, and I really like it (especially for $800!). But this active LED zone feature is absolutely perplexing. I can see that on a paused image, blacks are enhanced. However, as soon as the image starts moving, it looks like the TV is going crazy trying to figure out what to dim. As a result you see these horizontal bands on the screen lighten and darken all over the place. It's very disorienting.

But even on a paused image, if the image is of something uniform (say, a background wall) you can see very clearly that the dimming makes some parts lighter and some parts darker, almost like the wall is splotchy. Why do people ever use this feature? It's quite drastically changing the source material, just for a little bit better blacks? Am I missing something here?
You don't need Active LED Zones On, it's a flawed feature on the E series, and not perfect on the M series either. I don't know if the P series will be perfect either. But by default, the new 2014 Vizio have very nice blacks, without the need for Active LED Zones. So, I would recommend keeping it off, along with everything under Advance Picture settings. The E600i-b3 shows very little difference in blacks between On, and Off of ALZ. I love the blacks on mine, beats the hell out of my last tv.

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You don't need Active LED Zones On, it's a flawed feature on the E series, and not perfect on the M series either. I don't know if the P series will be perfect either. But by default, the new 2014 Vizio have very nice blacks, without the need for Active LED Zones. So, I would recommend keeping it off, along with everything under Advance Picture settings. The E600i-b3 shows very little difference in blacks between On, and Off of ALZ. I love the blacks on mine, beats the hell out of my last tv.
Its very flawed which makes me wonder why in reviews they praise it for giving deep blacks when you can clearly see how it doesnt work and even messes with colors if you watch just 5 minutes of any program. I wish it worked, I really do. I have my tv in the basement which is super dark and the clouding and light bleed with the dimming off ruins the blacks. Cant decide if I want to return it and go with the M series or something else.
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Its very flawed which makes me wonder why in reviews they praise it for giving deep blacks when you can clearly see how it doesnt work and even messes with colors if you watch just 5 minutes of any program. I wish it worked, I really do. I have my tv in the basement which is super dark and the clouding and light bleed with the dimming off ruins the blacks. Cant decide if I want to return it and go with the M series or something else.
Clouding and light bleed??? What model do you have? You shouldn't see either of those things. I also sit in a dark room, with ALZ Off, and I can't tell where the black of the screen meets the bezel. That's how good the black is. E600i-b3, with a black that good, who needs ALZ.

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What's the difference between the E480i-B2 and the E480-B2, besides internet connection?
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Its very flawed which makes me wonder why in reviews they praise it for giving deep blacks when you can clearly see how it doesnt work and even messes with colors if you watch just 5 minutes of any program. I wish it worked, I really do. I have my tv in the basement which is super dark and the clouding and light bleed with the dimming off ruins the blacks. Cant decide if I want to return it and go with the M series or something else.
Get the M series. That's what I did. The active zones work and you get better black detail than the E

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Update on my last comment: According to the Vizio website, another difference between the two TVs mentioned is the the E480-B2 has a contrast ratio of 200,000:1, whereas the E480i-B2 has a contrast ratio of 2 million:1. I don't know much about contrast ratio. Is this a huge difference? Or is it just a way to sell the TVs?
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Update on my last comment: According to the Vizio website, another difference between the two TVs mentioned is the the E480-B2 has a contrast ratio of 200,000:1, whereas the E480i-B2 has a contrast ratio of 2 million:1. I don't know much about contrast ratio. Is this a huge difference? Or is it just a way to sell the TVs?
Doesn't the 48" have last years lcd panel in it? Not sure if I would mess with them. I heard that the lower of the two has bad blacks. So, the contrast seems to make a difference. I think the best tv panels in the line are the B3's.

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You don't need Active LED Zones On, it's a flawed feature on the E series, and not perfect on the M series either. I don't know if the P series will be perfect either. But by default, the new 2014 Vizio have very nice blacks, without the need for Active LED Zones. So, I would recommend keeping it off, along with everything under Advance Picture settings. The E600i-b3 shows very little difference in blacks between On, and Off of ALZ. I love the blacks on mine, beats the hell out of my last tv.
Thanks, that is good to know. This is my first TV with this kind of feature - my question is, does this local dimming actually work on other TVs? Or is it just a fundamentally flawed concept? It doesn't seem like it should be able to work unless you have TONS of zones. Even with that, I can imagine it would be very easy to spoof the detection (like in the blank wall case) so that it exaggerates lighting and messes up the picture. Why would people (especially discerning AV folks) want their TV to change the source material so much?
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Thanks, that is good to know. This is my first TV with this kind of feature - my question is, does this local dimming actually work on other TVs? Or is it just a fundamentally flawed concept? It doesn't seem like it should be able to work unless you have TONS of zones. Even with that, I can imagine it would be very easy to spoof the detection (like in the blank wall case) so that it exaggerates lighting and messes up the picture. Why would people (especially discerning AV folks) want their TV to change the source material so much?
Supposedly, ALZ works better in the M series, and should work even better in the P and R series.

But honestly, ALZ failure doesn't really hurt the tv, with ALZ Off, the blacks are still great. I only own the E600i-b3, and the blacks are great on it. I would recommend it to everyone, as the best bet in the E series, I would imagine the 70" would be equally as good, since it's also a B3 panel. The B3 panels are made by Sharp. I would like to get the 60" P series, because it's Sharp's newest panels. But $1800 is a bit much for a tv for me, and the 60" E series does a great job for me, I'd rather just by another one. VR is coming, and I'd rather save my money for all the hardware to make that the best experience possible. Really looking forward to it.

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