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Suggest you have a look at the Vizio P and the 2014 Vizio M: http://ces.vizio.com/p-series.html#skip

http://store.vizio.com/news/vizio-announces-pricing-for-best-in-class-p-series-ultra-hd-full-array-led-smart-tv:

The Toshiba L9400U also looks like it could be a winner, but there has been no information on it since CES...

wow that price point for the P702ui-B3 is mind blowing! thanks for the heads up will definitely keep my eyes and ears open for this new line from vizio!
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KDL-70W850B already price dropped to $2599 and is on backorder at Sony. Do not see it for sale anywhere else yet. Still interested in this set a little.

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KDL-70W850B already price dropped to $2599 and is on backorder at Sony. Do not see it for sale anywhere else yet. Still interested in this set a little.

I think I've seen it out at a Sony Store in Canada but under KDL-70W840B. For $3099.99...

http://store.sony.ca/70-w840b-premium-led-hdtv-zid31-KDL70W840B/cat-31-catid-All-W-Series-TVs

Specs looks the same.
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It'd be Jun/Jul before I could buy, be curious to see reviews and price at that time.

Im kinda itching to go 70".

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I'm with you on this. After doing a lot of reading/research I thought this was going to be my next TV. I'm not a gamer just like watching movies and sports. Next TV will be paired with a Marantz sr6008 that I just bought. It is funny how early reviews of the 950b are luke warm but the one review of the 800b was not so bad. I may just wait and see what the so called experts think about the Samsung un55h7150 or the new Toshiba 55L7400. I have just had my heart set on a Sony because of so many people claiming color superiority.

I missed that review, how bad was it and from whom? I too am very intrigued by the 65w950b. Any new info would be valued.
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I missed that review, how bad was it and from whom? I too am very intrigued by the 65w950b. Any new info would be valued.
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Below is the link. I hope I saved it correctly.


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl55w955b-201403103661.htm
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Below is the link. I hope I saved it correctly.


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl55w955b-201403103661.htm

Are the new KDL-55W955B TV's the same as the new KDL-65W955B TV's - except for the differance in size?
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That uniformity shot is horrible. Like the most IPS panels, view angle is good but blacks, not so much.

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Are the new KDL-55W955B TV's the same as the new KDL-65W955B TV's - except for the differance in size?[/quote

I am still learning but I think model numbers get assigned slightly different numbers overseas but the first number refers to size so I assume then everything else would be the same between the 65w955b and the 55w955b which are both the w950b here in the US.
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That uniformity shot is horrible. Like the most IPS panels, view angle is good but blacks, not so much.

ya it's very despairing given it's sony bravia flagship. = / ... guess for the first time in years I'll be going a different brand. (unless the x850b turns out to be ah amazing tv! lol)
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ya it's very despairing given it's sony bravia flagship. = / ... guess for the first time in years I'll be going a different brand. (unless the x850b turns out to be ah amazing tv! lol)

The x850b is most likely an IPS panel too frown.gif
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I thought only Sharp made a 70" panel, so the 850b 70" should not be IPS.

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I thought only Sharp made a 70" panel, so the 850b 70" should not be IPS.

Looking at the specs the 70" x850b uses active glasses, which points to it not being IPS, however I am not sure Sharp is the only manufacturer of 70" plus panels. There is a passive 79" tv (x900b) and sharp does not make IPS panels.
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I thought only Sharp made a 70" panel, so the 850b 70" should not be IPS.

Looking at the specs the 70" x850b uses active glasses, which points to it not being IPS, however I am not sure Sharp is the only manufacturer of 70" plus panels. There is a passive 79" tv (x900b) and sharp does not make IPS panels.

Does passive 3D only work with IPS panels? So if a TV is using a VA panels it can only use Active 3D???
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I thought only Sharp made a 70" panel, so the 850b 70" should not be IPS.

Looking at the specs the 70" x850b uses active glasses, which points to it not being IPS, however I am not sure Sharp is the only manufacturer of 70" plus panels. There is a passive 79" tv (x900b) and sharp does not make IPS panels.

Does passive 3D only work with IPS panels? So if a TV is using a VA panels it can only use Active 3D???

 

LG originally released information to that extent.  But it's old information.  My Sony is passive 3D.  FWIW, it doesn't have the chevron shaped subpixels.  I don't even know if the chevron shape is still an IPS marker.

 

I really do wish manufacturers supplied spec sheets that truly tell everything.


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No different than auto manufacturers who never post gross combined vehicle weight ratings anymore and only post hitch maximum capacity. When towing you could have a 10,000 lb hitch it doesn't mean much if your truck can only tow 5,000 lbs. Electronic manufacturers are the same way, Samsung advertises 1,200 clear motion rate because I looks better instead of just saying they have a 240hz refresh rate panel. It's all smoke and mirrors
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LG originally released information to that extent.  But it's old information.  My Sony is passive 3D.  FWIW, it doesn't have the chevron shaped subpixels.  I don't even know if the chevron shape is still an IPS marker.

I really do wish manufacturers supplied spec sheets that truly tell everything.

Which Sony? If you are talking about the R550, than yes it does have chevron shaped pixels.
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LG originally released information to that extent.  But it's old information.  My Sony is passive 3D.  FWIW, it doesn't have the chevron shaped subpixels.  I don't even know if the chevron shape is still an IPS marker.

I really do wish manufacturers supplied spec sheets that truly tell everything.

Which Sony? If you are talking about the R550, than yes it does have chevron shaped pixels.

 

Not my 60R550A.  Simple rectangles.


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Looking at the specs the 70" x850b uses active glasses, which points to it not being IPS, however I am not sure Sharp is the only manufacturer of 70" plus panels. There is a passive 79" tv (x900b) and sharp does not make IPS panels.

70 inch panel != 70 inch plus panels.

Sharp is the only mfr. that can product 70-inch panels in big numbers.

As for 79s, we know those are not from Sharp, which makes (and commoditizes) an 80.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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70 inch panel != 70 inch plus panels.

Sharp is the only mfr. that can product 70-inch panels in big numbers.

As for 79s, we know those are not from Sharp, which makes (and commoditizes) an 80.

My point here is that it is foolish to assume every 70" tv on the market is using a Sharp panel.
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70 inch panel != 70 inch plus panels.

Sharp is the only mfr. that can product 70-inch panels in big numbers.

As for 79s, we know those are not from Sharp, which makes (and commoditizes) an 80.

My point here is that it is foolish to assume every 70" tv on the market is using a Sharp panel.

As of today, the only alternative to Sharp for a 70" panel looks to be Zhixuan or Samsung: http://www.panelook.com/sizmodlist.php?order=panel_id&by=desc&sizes[]=70&production_state=1
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As of today, the only alternative to Sharp for a 70" panel looks to be Zhixuan or Samsung

 

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My point here is that it is foolish to assume every 70" tv on the market is using a Sharp panel.

It's not stupid.

It's pretty smart to assume that as there is no evidence any other commodity 70-inch panel exists (the two other 70-inch panels mentioned have not been seen in any TVs known).

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Town... Thanks for the link. My oh My what a slanted review . I noted several negative points that were then weakened by using the edge dimming modes available for normal viewing . I don't watch in a black cave nor am I a critical viewer. I think I will await other reviews before I slit my wrists.
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Town... Thanks for the link. My oh My what a slanted review . I noted several negative points that were then weakened by using the edge dimming modes available for normal viewing . I don't watch in a black cave nor am I a critical viewer. I think I will await other reviews before I slit my wrists.

That's not the only negative review.

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/sony-bravia-kdl-55w955-p19445/test.html#full-review
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With its speedy two-second start-up mode and smooth, seamless menus, the Sony Bravia W955 is a TV built with high-end electronics. However, it's let down by its LCD screen panel. We can't understand why Sony has opted for an IPS screen with a single block of LED backlights, as this makes for low contrast (800:1), a washed-out black and a pretty high risk of clouding—not what you'd expect from a high-end TV! It's enough to make us dewy eyed with nostalgia for some of Sony's old-gen 900-series Bravias, considered by many to be among the best TVs of their time. Those were the days ...
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Sony aren't what they used to be, or at least that's how it seems to me.


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I'm with you on this. After doing a lot of reading/research I thought this was going to be my next TV. I'm not a gamer just like watching movies and sports. Next TV will be paired with a Marantz sr6008 that I just bought. It is funny how early reviews of the 950b are luke warm but the one review of the 800b was not so bad. I may just wait and see what the so called experts think about the Samsung un55h7150 or the new Toshiba 55L7400. I have just had my heart set on a Sony because of so many people claiming color superiority.
I too am intrigued by the L7400,but Toshiba hasn't been that great for a few years. Toshiba has a tendency to charge "Old" Sony prices without the Sony performance, so hopefully they are competitive with pricing. I would pay a few hundred more for a Toshiba over say a Vizio,but Vizio's aggressive pricing if they can deliver on the CES promise could be hard to trump.
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I too am intrigued by the L7400,but Toshiba hasn't been that great for a few years. Toshiba has a tendency to charge "Old" Sony prices without the Sony performance, so hopefully they are competitive with pricing. I would pay a few hundred more for a Toshiba over say a Vizio,but Vizio's aggressive pricing if they can deliver on the CES promise could be hard to trump.

 



I'm with you on this Dr. We will just wait and see. I don't want to judge an entire company by their web site but the Toshiba web site is a mess. It looks sloppy and not user friendly. If this is the first impression they want people to have that worries me about their product. I still have a 15 year old Toshiba crt tv in my living room. That is what I am about to replace. I still hold out hopes for Sony but it is beginning to fade a bit. We will just wait and see what the L7400 looks like.
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I'm with you on this. After doing a lot of reading/research I thought this was going to be my next TV. I'm not a gamer just like watching movies and sports. Next TV will be paired with a Marantz sr6008 that I just bought. It is funny how early reviews of the 950b are luke warm but the one review of the 800b was not so bad. I may just wait and see what the so called experts think about the Samsung un55h7150 or the new Toshiba 55L7400. I have just had my heart set on a Sony because of so many people claiming color superiority.
I too am intrigued by the L7400,but Toshiba hasn't been that great for a few years. Toshiba has a tendency to charge "Old" Sony prices without the Sony performance, so hopefully they are competitive with pricing. I would pay a few hundred more for a Toshiba over say a Vizio,but Vizio's aggressive pricing if they can deliver on the CES promise could be hard to trump.

Where have you seen any reviews of the 950B - I thought that set was not due to be available before August???
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