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Thanks, can you estimate the length of the DC cord? Trying to see if it will work in my application. Thanks Bob

It's not real long...maybe 2 ft. But I wouldn't let that deter you. It looks to be standard figure-8 cable that you can buy replacement cables at mono price for a buck or two: http://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_id=102&cp_id=10228&cs_id=1022806
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Thanks, can you estimate the length of the DC cord? Trying to see if it will work in my application. Thanks Bob

Bob,

The AC to transformer is @ 1 foot. The DC to TV is quite a bit longer, perhaps 30 inches. As mentioned above, the AC portion looks pretty standard as transformer supply power cord.
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Just purchased the w800b today. Can't seem to adjust the settings to my liking. Cinema mode is way too dark for my liking. Does anyone have settings on another mode like standard or vivid?
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I'm probably in the minority here but try VIVID, color temp to COOL, Back light to 7, Picture to MAX, Brightness to 48, Start with a COLOR of 30 and move up or down till you get natural skin tones that look realistic to you. Make sure you go into the ECO section and turn power save OFF.
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I'm probably in the minority here but try VIVID, color temp to COOL, Back light to 7, Picture to MAX, Brightness to 48, Start with a COLOR of 30 and move up or down till you get natural skin tones that look realistic to you. Make sure you go into the ECO section and turn power save OFF.

Thanks. But how do I get to the Eco settings to turn it off?
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Hit the HOME button, scroll to the far top right and hit the Settings button. This menu includes a ECO catagory. Turn POWER SAVING to OFF. This will make a huge difference to your overall PQ. This setting is set to ON by all manufactures so they can get the besy energy rating. Good for them, bad for us.let me know what you think..
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Hit the HOME button, scroll to the far top right and hit the Settings button. This menu includes a ECO catagory. Turn POWER SAVING to OFF. This will make a huge difference to your overall PQ. This setting is set to ON by all manufactures so they can get the besy energy rating. Good for them, bad for us.let me know what you think..
Thanks bro. I have my settings as follows which I seem to like so far
Cinema
Cinema
Backlight Max
Picture Max
Brightness 55
Color 65
Color Temp Warm
Sharpness 60

Lemme know what you guys think of that
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Picked up the 55w800b a few days ago. replaced a 7 year old 42" samsung plasma (4254) in the bedroom. i will say, the picture POPS right out of the box. Still getting used to the LED technology as my main room tv is a pioneer kuro (6020). Overall, very impressed and more than does the trick. My girl keeps commenting on how amazing the picture is. Blacks and detail are very good and well exceeded my expectations. I will try some of the settings seen in this thread as I want a more realistic feature (spending more time in the bedroom wink.gif)
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Thanks bro. I have my settings as follows which I seem to like so far
Cinema
Cinema
Backlight Max
Picture Max
Brightness 55
Color 65
Color Temp Warm
Sharpness 60

Lemme know what you guys think of that[/quote

I've never been a big fan of any of the warm settings. Too much of an amber hue for me. I think if you try my settings with the scene select on and power save off you'll find you can dial down the color quite a bit as well as brightness. For me a color setting of 65 is too over saturated. Of course whatever you like best is all that counts.
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The 40W600B that I saw at Costco has a very interesting panel in it. One Ive never seen before and it's operational characteristics are very unusual and distinct. Pretty cool. cool.gif

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The 40W600B that I saw at Costco has a very interesting panel in it. One Ive never seen before and it's operational characteristics are very unusual and distinct. Pretty cool. cool.gif

It might be the same Samsung SPVA rear light LED panel they used in the 2013 Sony KDL 40R450a I got the number from the service menu in my KDL 40R450A decent picture ,black levels and contrast . The max brightness while adequate even in bright daylight could be a little brighter although it's as good or better than most in the ~ $500.00 price range though . Just not as bright as the 32" 2012 Toshiba CCL/ LCD (samsung panel also) it replaced that one could do 450cd/m2 .
that one could make daylight in a dark room and make your eyes water at night if you wanted ! ......this one maybe half of that.

http://www.panelook.com/LSY400HM02-A01_SAMSUNG_40_CELL_overview_20138.html

Good Eye ! Pixels are horizontal orientation (Horizontal RGB) rather than vertically orientated as usual for a Samsung SPVA.
this one is a 60Hz panel , 6 bit + high FRC 16.7 M colors a little unusual in some respects they are driving it in 8 or 10 bit mode it has a 10 bit signal interface , a good picture none the less . If anyone could make a 6 bit panel look good it would be Sony and or Samsung they did fine .
AUO makes 40" 6 bit +high FRC MVA panel cells like this and Sharp also makes ASV 6 bit+high FRC 40" panel cells also both of these are vertical RGB

Sony or maybe Foxconn (I believe the set maker on the 40R450A model and maybe the W600B ) supplied the backlight this panel comes naked they put 50 LED's in there so back lighting is decently even .

How did you like the picture on the W600B? my R450a took a lot of fiddling to get it right it wasn't that great on the pre sets most of the reviewers were not quite right on this one they kept saying use general mode or standard mode and warm color temp and go from there wrong. The fix is really very simple .

I bet Cnet would have got it right (they don't miss much ) but unfortunately they didn't review it .

All you have to do on the 450 is turn all the ECO crap off go to options ,put it in cinema scene select that is the only way to put it in cinema picture mode also then screw up the contrast (picture ) and backlight to max they default way to low in cinema set the color at 54 - 60 same for brightness, Sharpness at 17, turn off all the other stuff except cine motion leave it on auto , set color temp at neutral ,gamma at +2 or +3 and you're good . Cinema mode takes care of all the advanced settings and greys them out whatever it does works good like a Sony should biggrin.gif .
Wouldn't be surprised if the W600B and a lot of the other Sony's worked the same way.

Almost all but one reviewer completely missed this . The ones that missed it got lower measured color accuracy scores, the one reviewer that figured this out got a real decent measured color accuracy result . ofc I read that after fiddling around with this thing and figuring it out on my own after 3 weeks including using the AVS HD .709 patterns after I bought it . The colors were always noticeably a bit off to me (it almost went back because of that) annoyed the crap outta me until I figured it out ,also rolled in a firmware update once those things was done it's very good .It does much better in AVS HD 709 in Cinema mode now also.
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I'm probably in the minority here but try VIVID, color temp to COOL, Back light to 7, Picture to MAX, Brightness to 48, Start with a COLOR of 30 and move up or down till you get natural skin tones that look realistic to you. Make sure you go into the ECO section and turn power save OFF.
hey can you please post up your settings for VIVID
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Forgot to add I have the 800B
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I think I did just post most of my settings for VIVID. The only other things would be Setting Memory to Common, Scene Select to General, Power Saving in the Eco section to Off. Scene Select Sync to ON. With the SSS now on I have turned Backlight to Max and turned color down to 28. Picture is Max. Brightness to 48. Color Temp to Cool. Sharpness to 70. All reduction settings are Off. RealityCreation to Auto, video Area Detection to Off. Smooth Gradation and Motion Flow to Off, CineMotion to Auto. This is the first set where I have ever seen Scene Select Sync (SSS) actually work properly. Probably because of the X-Reality Pro engine. With these settings I am seeing the best black levels for an edge lit LED display. Find a night scene with a starry sky. If you move the brightness from 48 to 50 you will see a big drop in the black level.
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I've read that the w600b is a good set for gaming, however I'm worried that it's only 60hz. Any thoughts on how the 600 handles games and motion? (I'm thinking of returning a panasonic tc-39as530u that I just picked up because I notice a little too much distortion going on around quick movement.)
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Assuming that the KDL-48W600B is the "600B" being discussed here, what aside from a small difference in screen size differentiates it from the Sony KDL50W800B? In our small room the smaller screen is preferable, and a true VESA mount is waaaay preferable.

Or do I have something wrong here about model numbers?
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I've read that the w600b is a good set for gaming, however I'm worried that it's only 60hz. Any thoughts on how the 600 handles games and motion? (I'm thinking of returning a panasonic tc-39as530u that I just picked up because I notice a little too much distortion going on around quick movement.)

Instead of re-hashing a bunch of stuff, I'll just link you to this: http://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/20643i/anyone_gaming_on_a_tv_with_a_60hz_refresh_rate/

Essentially your console will only be outputting a 60Hz signal....same as the tv. Using this 60 Hz source with a higher refresh rate panel (120 Hz for instance) allows for two things to happen - you turn off all motion manipulation image options offered by the tv and get the same picture as you would on a 60Hz panel (it just repeats each frame), or you take advantage of motion processing but introduce lag into your gaming experience.

The reason I like the higher refresh rate panels is that they can cleanly display a a 24Hz signal (film) (x5), a 30Hz signal (x4), or a 60Hz signal (x2) all without excessive processing or cadence issues with the frames.
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Assuming that the KDL-48W600B is the "600B" being discussed here, what aside from a small difference in screen size differentiates it from the Sony KDL50W800B? In our small room the smaller screen is preferable, and a true VESA mount is waaaay preferable.

Or do I have something wrong here about model numbers?

Not a lot - you can compare these two reviews:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl40w605b-201404233740.htm
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl50w829b-201403023650.htm

Slightly deeper blacks in the 800 series - 0.059 cd/m2 (600B) vs 0.042 cd/m2 (800B)

600B looks like it's deeper than the 800B (allowing the use of a VESA mount)

It's got slightly more lag for gaming than the 800B

No 3D (i think - don't see it mentioned anywhere on the the Sony site)

For the price difference the 600B is a pretty nice option.
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What a great response! Much appreciated.
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Was wondering if anyone has ordered or at least seen a 60w630b. Comparing this model and the 55w800b and 3d isn't important to me at all and while the slimmer aesthetics of the w800 are nice I'm not sure if it is worth sacrificing 5 inches if the picture quality is going to be very comparable.

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I saw the w800b today and I have a question for the owners. Can you turn off the blinking light in/around the Sony logo in the menu? I can't imagine watching a movie with that thing blinking.
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What is the w700b equivalent for USA?

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SONY W700B (EUROPE ONLY)
The new W7 is a European-only model that largely resembles the W8 technically, but has a slightly different design. It has no 3D mode.

Full HD
X-Reality Pro
Quick start (2 seconds start-up)
Motionflow 480 / 400
Sony Entertainment Network with TV apps
WiFi

USA: No

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32" Sony 32W705B
42" Sony 42W705B
50" Sony 50W705B
read more : http://www.flatpanelshd.com/article.php?subaction=showfull&id=1392879565

Entire range uses AUO AMVA3 + PSA panels.

US W800B would be similar but W700B has no 3D the 705B is just a silver variant but otherwise the same

The US W600B/EU W605B 40 and 48" have Samsung SPVA panels edge light . See Sony web site
they might play almost as good or very close to the EU W700/W705 - USA W800 /W805 sets
*sometimes SPVA panels can be a little more transmissive (brighter ) than MVA panels if they don't skimp on the # of led's in the back light on less expensive models

I have the USA 2013 KDL 40R450A with an LED back light ,Samsung SPVA panel it plays very well good picture .

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Is the W600B direct or edge-lit? I'm seeing conflicting information on this depending upon the site/review.
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I saw the w800b today and I have a question for the owners. Can you turn off the blinking light in/around the Sony logo in the menu? I can't imagine watching a movie with that thing blinking.

Fully configurable in the settings menu - auto bright based on room lighting, set the brightness, only blink when receiving IR command or off. I think those were all the settings, I'm going off the top if my head.
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Is the W600B direct or edge-lit? I'm seeing conflicting information on this depending upon the site/review.

Sony site references Frame Dimming - my understanding is that this is edge lit with localized dimming around that edge - while if they had called it Local Dimming it would have meant back lit with local dimming on the back lights.

This is right on Sony's W600B Features page: "The Difference is Dynamic
It's all about perfecting a natural look. Sony's Dynamic Edge LED backlighting with frame dimming delivers pitch-black night scenes and illuminates bright scenes. Rather than illuminating the entire screen, contrast is boosted in just the right areas for a more realistic picture."
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Is the W600B direct or edge-lit? I'm seeing conflicting information on this depending upon the site/review.

32 " 40 " and 46" W600B like Naylia says above are Edge light. They use Samsung SPVA edge light frame dimming panel
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The Difference is Dynamic
It's all about perfecting a natural look. Sony's Dynamic Edge LED backlighting with frame dimming delivers pitch-black night scenes and illuminates bright scenes. Rather than illuminating the entire screen, contrast is boosted in just the right areas for a more realistic picture.
http://store.sony.com/40-diag-w600b-series-led-hdtv-zid27-KDL40W600B/cat-27-catid-All-Sony-HD-TVs

Similar EU models Are AUO AMVA3 + PSA panels. rear light panels
EU models
32" Sony 32W 700B/705B Note : 700 and 705B differ in color only
42" Sony 42W 700B/705B
50" Sony 50W 705B/705B
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Fully configurable in the settings menu - auto bright based on room lighting, set the brightness, only blink when receiving IR command or off. I think those were all the settings, I'm going off the top if my head.

Thank You. Another question for anyone who is familiar with recent Sony offerings. Do they still offer the Auto Wide feature to control the aspect ratio? For example COZI TV (NBC) is a 16x9 480i OTA broadcast that is displayed correctly under this feature.
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Here is an in depth review (with measurements) of the Sony 40W600B on Reviewed.com. A set that has intrigued me with it's unique panel. Looks like a real winner.

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It might be the same Samsung SPVA rear light LED panel they used in the 2013 Sony KDL 40R450a I got the number from the service menu in my KDL 40R450A decent picture ,black levels and contrast . The max brightness while adequate even in bright daylight could be a little brighter although it's as good or better than most in the ~ $500.00 price range though . Just not as bright as the 32" 2012 Toshiba CCL/ LCD (samsung panel also) it replaced that one could do 450cd/m2 .
that one could make daylight in a dark room and make your eyes water at night if you wanted ! ......this one maybe half of that.

http://www.panelook.com/LSY400HM02-A01_SAMSUNG_40_CELL_overview_20138.html

Good Eye ! Pixels are horizontal orientation (Horizontal RGB) rather than vertically orientated as usual for a Samsung SPVA.
this one is a 60Hz panel , 6 bit + high FRC 16.7 M colors a little unusual in some respects they are driving it in 8 or 10 bit mode it has a 10 bit signal interface , a good picture none the less . If anyone could make a 6 bit panel look good it would be Sony and or Samsung they did fine .
AUO makes 40" 6 bit +high FRC MVA panel cells like this and Sharp also makes ASV 6 bit+high FRC 40" panel cells also both of these are vertical RGB

Sony or maybe Foxconn (I believe the set maker on the 40R450A model and maybe the W600B ) supplied the backlight this panel comes naked they put 50 LED's in there so back lighting is decently even .

How did you like the picture on the W600B? my R450a took a lot of fiddling to get it right it wasn't that great on the pre sets most of the reviewers were not quite right on this one they kept saying use general mode or standard mode and warm color temp and go from there wrong. The fix is really very simple .

I bet Cnet would have got it right (they don't miss much ) but unfortunately they didn't review it .

All you have to do on the 450 is turn all the ECO crap off go to options ,put it in cinema scene select that is the only way to put it in cinema picture mode also then screw up the contrast (picture ) and backlight to max they default way to low in cinema set the color at 54 - 60 same for brightness, Sharpness at 17, turn off all the other stuff except cine motion leave it on auto , set color temp at neutral ,gamma at +2 or +3 and you're good . Cinema mode takes care of all the advanced settings and greys them out whatever it does works good like a Sony should biggrin.gif .
Wouldn't be surprised if the W600B and a lot of the other Sony's worked the same way.

Almost all but one reviewer completely missed this . The ones that missed it got lower measured color accuracy scores, the one reviewer that figured this out got a real decent measured color accuracy result . ofc I read that after fiddling around with this thing and figuring it out on my own after 3 weeks including using the AVS HD .709 patterns after I bought it . The colors were always noticeably a bit off to me (it almost went back because of that) annoyed the crap outta me until I figured it out ,also rolled in a firmware update once those things was done it's very good .It does much better in AVS HD 709 in Cinema mode now also.

Thanks for that information, tubetwister.

The way the LCD subpixles look and operate, I can see this panel as not being very good with "Light Throughput" thus limiting the top end Peak Brightness. The RGB subpixels are stacked vertically, elongated horizontally (long way of subpixel is horizontal), but they dim down Vertically and horizontally. It's pretty cool. I conjecture that this panel may offer superior gradations of shadow detail....but isnt a torch thrower.

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