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Anyone know how to get into the service menu, if there is any, to check the panel hours on the 850b?
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950b has an IPS panel with poor contrast though. The 850b has VA, similarly low input lag and better reviews. Seems to be the sweet spot this year. The 55w800b also has great reviews compared to the 950b.
I recently had the 950b in my house, and the 800b. The 800b is a much better TV in my opinion. The 950b had horrible dirty screen effect, when the 800b had none. That alone would swing my opinion towards the 800b.

I should warn people though, I went through several 55 inch 800b in my home this past few weeks, and all three had serious backlight uniformity issues. Big blobs of light right in the middle of the screen, at least off angle. Some looked ok from dead center.

The 50 inch version of the 800b has much better uniformity.
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950b has an IPS panel with poor contrast though. The 850b has VA, similarly low input lag and better reviews. Seems to be the sweet spot this year. The 55w800b also has great reviews compared to the 950b.
Any idea on the panel type for the 65s990? It looks a lot like the S-PVApanel on the65w850a. The 990is passive 3d.
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I just saw one on a site for 1999. Frys electronics. I dont know them but worth a shot. However i do like 55 inch 950b because its 55 inches and the lowest lag input for gaming. Lag input database said it had 17 ms. And the 3d is the good one
Frys is big west if Indianapolis. Good safe place and some really good sale prices.
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Hey gang, I'm not sure if this is a good deal, but Best Buy has the kdl60W850b for $1449 in NE Ohio. They are sneaky though, you have to put it in your cart and go to checkout before they will show you the pricing. Anyway, the cheapest I've been seeing them around here is $1599.

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A few years back the Sony sets had the "auto-dimming" that was quite annoying when watching movies that transitioned from bright to dark scenes a lot. The new sets also auto-dim correct? Have they improved on it over the past 5 years? Which setting is responsible for turning it off/on?
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I recently had the 950b in my house, and the 800b. The 800b is a much better TV in my opinion. The 950b had horrible dirty screen effect, when the 800b had none. That alone would swing my opinion towards the 800b.

I should warn people though, I went through several 55 inch 800b in my home this past few weeks, and all three had serious backlight uniformity issues. Big blobs of light right in the middle of the screen, at least off angle. Some looked ok from dead center.

The 50 inch version of the 800b has much better uniformity.
Would this be considered ok for bleed and uniformity for the 50w800b? The pic does make it look worse. I had a post 1 page back just not sure if I need to return it or if it's normal. Looks no where near as bad in life but still

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=epqjw0&s=8
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Can't speak to your other concerns, as I am still doing my own research, but the wedge TVs can be mounted to the wall. They come with spacers to level them out for mounting.
I apologize for not looking into this in more detail, but I am under a huge time crunch at work.
I just ordered a KDL-70w850b.
Earlier on I was reading about the need for a vesa adapter. I have a low profile mount (currently being used by a Sharp LC-60LE745) and I am not sure what, if anything I need to mount the Sony in place of the Sharp 60" I have there now. Are the spacers (which sounds like they are included) all I need? My mount uses 2 brackets on the back.
I am not sure if it is this mount but if not it is almost exactly the same: (I can't check it now as it is at a vacation home and I am not there now)
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_i...seq=1&format=2

(I know that the mount says up to 63" but I look at the weight capacities instead of the screen size.)

So based on that mount, do I need to do anything to prepare? (I was planning on just unscrewing the brackets off of the Sharp 60" and put them onto the back of the Sony)

I may "upgrade" to this mount if I don't need to do anything special (this one will let me grab the studs with 4 lag bolts vs. 2 that I have now):
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Hey guys!


I mentioned a while back, that I had some screen uniformity issues with my KDL60W850B, specifically 'shadows' in the corners and along the edges:


https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...10651219_n.jpg


https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...57992331_n.jpg


Thanks to WhiteSands, I have been able to minimise this effect using the 'ice trick', I was actually quite shocked that it worked lol. The steps to this trick are:


1. First off, you heat the TV up for 2 to 3 hours by setting it on Vivid while showing a picture.


2. Get a soft microfibre cloth and fold it a few times where it was maybe 9" X 3 1/2 to 4" wide and a few folds thick. Wet the cloth and squeeze out some of the water.


3. Place the cloth flat in the freezer. I watched a 2 hour movie during that time on Vivid.


4. Take out the frozen cloth after a few hours and then very slowly rub one edge of the
screen, rubbing onto the screen maybe 3 inches. Try and do this whilst on a solid white background as it will help you to see the vignetting on the sides a lot easier, so you can target that area. You should see the dark sides go away slowly as you rub the side.


5. Once done, flip the cloth over and rub on the other edge of the TV the same way.


I noticed an instant improvement, and will give this a few more goes and see how I go! WhitSands says the issue should slowly disappear over time the more the TV is used. I will post some pics after another 'treatment' later on.

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Would this be considered ok for bleed and uniformity for the 50w800b? The pic does make it look worse. I had a post 1 page back just not sure if I need to return it or if it's normal. Looks no where near as bad in life but still

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=epqjw0&s=8
Your pic isn't very good as the room wasn't completely dark. But yours looks pretty typical. I've seen many reports of 50 inch models with no light leakage.

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Went into store to mirror my settings and the guy turned the downright off, the demo version had same issue as mine.

So just going to enjoy it.

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The 70" 850B is on sale at Best Buy for $1999 this week but not many locations near me have it in stock for store pickup.
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Anyone have any good configuration for 50w800b
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Hey gang, I'm not sure if this is a good deal, but Best Buy has the kdl60W850b for $1449 in NE Ohio. They are sneaky though, you have to put it in your cart and go to checkout before they will show you the pricing. Anyway, the cheapest I've been seeing them around here is $1599.

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A few weeks ago it was $1299 at Best Buy. Now that was a steal.
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That would have had me reaching for my wallet.

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A few weeks ago it was $1299 at Best Buy. Now that was a steal.
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Anyone have any good configuration for 50w800b
These are the best ones I've come across.

http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd...w800b/settings

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The 70" 850B is on sale at Best Buy for $1999 this week but not many locations near me have it in stock for store pickup.
Thanks powertoburn!

Bought my 70w850b at Best Buy on 6/29 for $2099.99 and I just finished walking out of the store with a $100 refund no questions asked.

Thanks again!
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Just purchased 70" W850b for $1799 on buydig. No tax/ free ship

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Thanks powertoburn!

Bought my 70w850b at Best Buy on 6/29 for $2099.99 and I just finished walking out of the store with a $100 refund no questions asked.

Thanks again!
Your welcome!!!
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Just purchased 70" W850b for $1799 on buydig. No tax/ free ship
Same here. I can't wait to get it. I had ordered it from Amazon (price matched BB @ $1999). Luckily it hadn't shipped yet, so I cancelled it and bought from Buydig.

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got my 60W850B when it was $1,299 on amazon. absolutely love it. i'm an avid ps4 gamer.
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My dad has the KDLHX729 from a few years ago. I've wanted his TV since he got it. I thought the 48" 600B would probably meet my needs, as his tv is 3 years old now. But I did notice that the 600B is 60 hz, compared to his 120 hz.

Which makes me think of 2 questions:

1. does it make any sense to buy any TV that is 3 years old? Just based on a hz increase?

2. the 50" 800B is a bit out of my price range, but I'm torn between the two (the other being the 48" 600B). If there was a non-smart and non-3D version of the 800b (or the 600b for that matter), I'd go for it to try to save some money (I'm going to use my Roku no matter what).

In terms of 800B vs 600B, I dunno how much it will matter or how much I would even notice. I'm going from a *very* mediocre TV (an old 20 inch Zenith that is 5+ years old!)

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i am torn between the 800b 55 inch the 850b 60 inch and the samsung UN55H7150 55-Inch


but the samsung has 2x the input lag of the sonys and worse motion blur


would anyone prefer the 800 55 inch over the 850 60 inch?

and does anyone know who makes the panels for those?
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i am torn between the 800b 55 inch the 850b 60 inch and the samsung UN55H7150 55-Inch


but the samsung has 2x the input lag of the sonys and worse motion blur


would anyone prefer the 800 55 inch over the 850 60 inch?

and does anyone know who makes the panels for those?
From the research I've done, it looks like the 60w850B is the best 1080P set that you can buy this year. Every other set seems to give up something to the 60w850, whether it's black levels, viewing angles, or input lag.
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Would this be considered ok for bleed and uniformity for the 50w800b? The pic does make it look worse. I had a post 1 page back just not sure if I need to return it or if it's normal. Looks no where near as bad in life but still

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=epqjw0&s=8
looks like a normal egde lit LED without a signal or a proper jpeg . not grey either ! but 50-75% rec709 blue !
Green and/ or red ~ 75%-95 % for backlight uniformity TV turns off all the back lights @ ~100% reference black thats
The only time you will probably see reference black with the brightness set correctly on a LED any way
Don't waste your time with browser web page images or screenshots either .... use the real deal right HERE

looks not bad though it's blooming rather badly in the raw imge should be fixable though

I think the 800B has decent blacks and panel (2014 Sony W800B Black: 0.020 cd/m2 Contrast: 5260 : 1 AUO AMVA5)

You could also put up a dark blue or reasonably black jpeg 2 check for anything that jumps out at you in a big way if nothing jumps out at any color (but grey) consider yourself a lucky Sony Panel Lottery Winner and just enjoy the ride! grey is too severe to judge panel for anything other than checking or setting grey scale !

Tons of configurations in this thread too many to mention I have some good ones that will work on any Sony for sale

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Anyone know how to get into the service menu, if there is any, to check the panel hours on the 850b?
panel version ( *can be * size dependent


50" will be active 3D (AUO - AMVA5)

55 * may be active 3D AUO (T550HVF05-0) - 100Hz

55 * may be passive 3D (S-IPS) LGD ( LG Display )

60 can be ND4Y600LNX0101 (Samsung-SPVA4) - 10 (most likely the only 60" )

70 *can be (Samsung-SPVA4) something can be something else also
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Good view angle not so hot contrast blacks in this case 55" = LGD S- IPS

Poor view angle very good black /contrast = VA panel either Samsng SPVA4 (60" only ) or AUO AMVA other size


60"Sammy panel is 6 bit /8 bit overdrive display mode panel can be real decent if adjusted right out of box pre sets are lame anyway for money I will tell you how .... or you can just look back a few days to one of my earlier post

You should be able to determine panel very easy from above not reccomended to go to service menu if you don't know
poke around in there ,change wong thing by accident or pourpose (TV does not care wich ) you will have an irreparable
big screen book end maybe . service codes cost money but I'm all out of them sold the last one to another guy

NO color management s#!t in there any way just use list . if you are OOW you own it anyway do-sent matter anyway

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Footprint of KDL-60W850B

Any body knows what is the footprint of KDL-60W850B with the stand mounted in the middle position and also the distance from the bottom of the screen to your TV stand.
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all of the dimensions including technical diagrams are available on the esupport sony site
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all of the dimensions including technical diagrams are available on the esupport sony site
No, not the stand footprint mounted in the middle position.

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I can't get it to copy here but it's on the website with 2 pages of dimensions & measurements (technical drawings) for both inside and outside position of feet.
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