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Any body knows what is the footprint of KDL-60W850B
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I can't get it to copy here but it's on the website with 2 pages of dimensions & measurements (technical drawings) for both inside and outside position of feet.
Yes Perfectionist2, I can see the picture on their website (manual) with the middle mounting but there are "no measurements" that is why I post here, hoping a owner of 60W850 will help me out.
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It's called "INSIDE" not middle.


The measurements are all there both on the diagram and in tables in both cms and inches. I don't know what you're using to view the pdf but try Acrobat. And make sure you're looking at the correct pdf - the info is not in the setup guide.
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It's called "INSIDE" not middle.


The measurements are all there both on the diagram and in tables in both cms and inches. I don't know what you're using to view the pdf but try Acrobat. And make sure you're looking at the correct pdf - the info is not in the setup guide.
I am sorry, Perfectionist2
Well, maybe b/c I am a senior I just can't seem to find the info I am looking for. I have look at their:-
1) i-manual online (printable PDF),
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send me a PM with your personal email address and I'll either email it to you or put it in a Dropbox folder that you can download
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you want the DIMENSIONS DIAGRAM file. It's too large to email.

Link doesn't work - I sent you a dropbox link to the file.

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you want the DIMENSIONS DIAGRAM file. It's too large to email.

Link doesn't work - I sent you a dropbox link to the file.
Yes, now I have the info that I am looking for.
Thank you soooo much Perfectionist2
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After a pretty decent amount of research I have decided on the 50W800B for my new display. Just waiting to free up the cash now - might be ready to buy sometime in the fall. My requirements are:

- about 75/25 HT/gaming ratio
- medium bright room, with no direct sunlight
- great bang for the buck, at $1000 or less

(1) Anything else I should consider?


(2) How are the smart TV features on the W800B series? I currently use a PS3 for all media playback except cable TV: DVD/BD, video files (avi, mpg), and streaming apps (Amazon & Netflix). I am really looking forward to going straight from the TV and not using the PS3 for all but the DVD/BD playback. I especially like that the USB on the W800B series can be NTFS format and plays mkv files - anyone tried this yet? And how well do the streaming apps work?

Thanks,
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Is the 60" W630B worth it? I have no use for 3D and it's $300 cheaper than the w850b. It will be used 90% of the time for gaming. All I care about is input lag.
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There was a question posted about this TV a couple pages back, but no one responded so I'm going to try again. Does anyone own, or have any personal opinions on the Sony W630B? I was at a Best Buy the other day and the picture on this TV looked very good to my eyes, and the price is relatively low. This is probably partially because it lacks 3D, which is perfect for me because I am not interested in that feature. My only issue is there doesn't seem to be many reviews on it, which has me a little hesitant on pulling the trigger.

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Too good to be true???

http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?i...0W800B&&kbid=*

I just bought the 48W600B from BB. Like the set, not the mounting option. May see if BB will price match and upgrade to the 800.

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Too good to be true???

http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?i...0W800B&&kbid=*

I just bought the 48W600B from BB. Like the set, not the mounting option. May see if BB will price match and upgrade to the 800.

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Precisely too good to be true. Abes of Maine deals in the "gray market" which means they advertise at low prices and then after you place an order, try to tack on additional costs such as expedited shipping, insurance, warranty, etc. I don't have experience with them but others claim that if you don't go along with their upsell, your order gets lost in limbo and becomes a pain to cancel. I believe they are typically also not authorized sellers, which makes the TV warranty sketchy.

You could try to get your local Best Buy to price match, but it is extremely YMMV as they are not an official pricematch website per BB's policy.

Edit: Also should note that the 50W800B has a quirky mounting scheme which requires an adapter or some clever solutions if you want to use a VESA mount. Not sure if your 600B is similar, but the 800B will likely pose some annoyances if you are looking for an easy mounting solutions.
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I have first hand experience with Abe's of Maine. i tried to purchase a Sony 50W800B display from them and i used my credit card via PayPal just to be sure I was covered in the event of a scam. Sure enough within a few days i got the call. The rep first asked if i was going to be wall mounting, and was most certainly going to start the premium mount upsell. But i said i was just going to use the stand and to my surprise he didn't push any further on hardware extras. but then started the shipping nonsense. Their fake "free shipping" is probably the biggest part of the trick, as it is completely uninsured and, as he told me, packages change hands through multiple freight shippers before it reaches you, which of course means the real possibility of damage. so for my protection he highly recommended using FedEx or UPS. the standard rate for this service is an extra $199 but he was prepared to make me the generous offer of something like $110 instead. when i said i wasn't interested, we then went back & forth on a sort of haggling exchange, wherein he asked me the price I saw on Amazon and finally offered me gift certificates to "local businesses & restaurants" to justify the extra he wanted me to agree to (wha??). Anyway, it became clear i wasn't going to get away with a price that was significantly less than Amazon (maybe like $30 less or something). To end the exchange i told him i simply don't want to pay anything more than the still pending PayPal charge, so he agreed to cancel the order. I must say he was very polite through the whole thing (as was I) and not at all pushy either. The pending order was off my PayPal account within a day or two. So no big deal really, it was worth a try just to see what it was all about.

So i guess if you're really dead set on saving a few bucks it might be way to go, but there is one other thing to consider: the fine print in their Terms, especially the shipping and warranty. It wasn't really clear to me how the merch is warranted. I'm almost positive these guys (and the rest of their ilk online) are not authorized retailers for many manufacturers so i don't know what happens in the event of a defective item. No returns are allowed on almost anything from what I can tell. And then there is this bit of oddness on their website:

"TV/Big Screen/Rear Projection/Monitor/Large Appliances and Fitness Policies

For Televisions Large Appliances and Fitness equipment our standard shipping is curbside. We do have White Glove delivery available for an additional fee. It includes delivery into your home, inspection and plugging into an electrical outlet. It does not include assembly or any type of installation. White Glove delivery allows you to inspect your equipment for any damages and defects before accepting delivery.

Televisions, Large appliance and Fitness equipment purchases are special orders and cannot be canceled prior to the shipment of the order. Customers cannot cancel an order that is en route. TV/Big Screen/Rear Projection/Monitors and Large Appliance orders come with full Manufacturer's Warranties. Most include in-home service.

TV/Big Screen/Rear Projection/Monitors and Large Appliances are not returnable to Abe's of Maine. If initially defective they must be serviced by an Authorized Service Technician. Abe's of Maine can help you locate your nearest Authorized Service Technician.

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We make every effort to pack your items securely and use reputable shipping companies. It is rare that damages occur.
DO NOT SIGN the delivery manifest until you have inspected the TV/Big Screen/Rear Projection/Monitor/Appliance. Once the consignee signs for the item, you are signing acceptance of the product physically as is and CANNOT refute the charges for a physically damaged unit from that point forward. If the merchandise is damaged, please make a notation on the delivery manifest, and have the delivery person sign as a witness to the damage. Please note all original packaging must be kept in order to file a claim.

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If your television or appliance does arrive damaged please contact our customer service department immediately at 800-992-2237 ext. 2 so that we can arrange for a replacement to be shipped out. Please note that all televisions with 6 or less dead pixels is industry standard for all manufacturer's. There will be no refunds or exchanges for television with 6 or less dead pixels. If a TV or an appliance is shipped to a freight forwarder and signed by the freight forwarder as received with no claims, Abe's of Maine is not responsible for the TV at that point. All claims must be filed with your freight forwarder.

Due to the value and delicate nature of the product you ordered a separate insurance fee may apply. You will be contacted after checkout and notified of the amount."

So is all this uncertainty worth saving literally a couple bucks? Not to me.

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BB will not price match. Abe's is not an authorized dealer. Appreciate the last couple of posts that detail out mounting and buying from Abe's.

I'm not happy with the Sony mounting options and not too impressed with motion on the 600. I may look at the 6350...

Thanks again for the quick feedback.

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Cnet says the 850b has issues with taking a cable signal 1080i (cable)

anyone notice this or is it a known issue....or no big deal

i have comcast
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Cnet says the 850b has issues with taking a cable signal 1080i (cable)

anyone notice this or is it a known issue....or no big deal

i have comcast
fyi there is an 850 owner's thread here too. you might get a better response there.
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For any owners of the W800B (50" or 55"), how badly does the picture wash out at off-angle viewing? I've got an L-shaped sectional and plan to wall-mount the TV flat, so off-center viewing for guests is a concern.

If anyone has picture comparisons of straight vs. off-angle, I'd appreciate it.
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For any owners of the W800B (50" or 55"), how badly does the picture wash out at off-angle viewing? I've got an L-shaped sectional and plan to wall-mount the TV flat, so off-center viewing for guests is a concern.

If anyone has picture comparisons of straight vs. off-angle, I'd appreciate it.
This video review might help you out.
http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony/w800b
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For any owners of the W800B (50" or 55"), how badly does the picture wash out at off-angle viewing? I've got an L-shaped sectional and plan to wall-mount the TV flat, so off-center viewing for guests is a concern.

If anyone has picture comparisons of straight vs. off-angle, I'd appreciate it.
I do not own it but have been really looking into the 50" for gaming and unfortunately, the viewing angle is really bad (compared to others).

As the poster above me mentioned, the rtings review points this out and has some decent information: http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony/w800b

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Hey gang, I'm not sure if this is a good deal, but Best Buy has the kdl60W850b for $1449 in NE Ohio. They are sneaky though, you have to put it in your cart and go to checkout before they will show you the pricing. Anyway, the cheapest I've been seeing them around here is $1599.

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Ugh, I hate that crap. Adding it to your cart to see the price, then you forget to remove it from your cart and they spam you with emails telling you that you still have something in your cart...

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Thanks for the feedback on viewing angle. Looks like in my size class (50"-55") I may be limited on good side-angle viewing for 2014 models based on Rtings.com comparison (unless I go plasma).

Can anyone comment on the utility of Impulse mode for gaming? I understand it makes the set darker but has some great motion clarity with minimal input lag. I'll mostly be gaming at night with a very low light on off to the side of the TV (almost completely dark), so the screen darkness in Impulse may not bother me. I need to see the mode on at Best Buy or something to see if the flickering bothers me.
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Hello everybody new user here, have been looking to upgrade my TV for awhile now, at the moment the TV that I'm using is this:
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Vier...pr_product_top

Now I recieved this TV back in 2008 and its a 720p plasma, I really liked that old TV but I think it is time to upgrade to a 1080p set.

I primarily use my TV for gaming on the Xbox One and PS4 and I've heard a lot of really good things regarding the KDL40W600b and the KDL48W600b.

Input lag is a big component of my decision, from what I can tell my current TV doesn't have noticeable input lag and I hear it is quite good on these sony models.

So my question is, do you think this upgrade would be worth it? With the slim bezel I'm fearful of the TV appearing to be too small when in actuality it's nearly the same size if I went with the 40 inch. I've gone to Best Buy and looked at the 40 and 48 inch and I'm just about sold.

What do you guys think? Thanks in advance.
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On my 800B you can go into the settings and adjust when the light comes on. I have it set to only flash when I'm inputting a command via the remote.
where is this specifically in the settings?
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where is this specifically in the settings?
Click the Home button, and then go to the Settings button in the upper right corner. Then choose Preferences, and then scroll down to Front Panel Illumination. Once you click into there, you're given options on how you want to set this up.

Not sure if this is the same sequence on other models, but this is how I got to it on the 800B.
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home > settings > screen > auto wide > ON
Thanks, but I need it to remember my selection per TV channel. Auto doesn't work because all channels are broadcast as 4:3 576i but some are actually 16:9.


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Did this years panels get slower input lag? Last years Sony KDL-47W802A had something like 16-17ms input lag, I need to get that model but its gone everywhere.
According to Rtings the W600 is about 33ms, so the same class as other manufacturers and worse than the better Sony models of 2013 and 2014.


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Can anyone comment on the utility of Impulse mode for gaming? I understand it makes the set darker but has some great motion clarity with minimal input lag.
On last year's W65x I didn't find it useable at all. Not only dark, but flickers more than a CRT at 60Hz.

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Click the Home button, and then go to the Settings button in the upper right corner. Then choose Preferences, and then scroll down to Front Panel Illumination. Once you click into there, you're given options on how you want to set this up.

Not sure if this is the same sequence on other models, but this is how I got to it on the 800B.
I don't have this setting on the w600b. Very frustrating.
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I do not own it but have been really looking into the 50" for gaming and unfortunately, the viewing angle is really bad (compared to others).

As the poster above me mentioned, the rtings review points this out and has some decent information: http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony/w800b



Ugh, I hate that crap. Adding it to your cart to see the price, then you forget to remove it from your cart and they spam you with emails telling you that you still have something in your cart...
Believe it or not their was explanation about not showing the price on amazon. They say the companies asked them to not show it. Lol no clue why
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Soooooo, I just bought myself a 42 Inch W800B for the bedroom thinking it would allow me to change all the settings like motionflow, led dimming etc. Of course now that I have the TV I've discovered those settings only apply to the 50/55 inch models.
Has anyone performed any tests on the 42 inch model for motion resolution/input lag etc.? I usually like enabling the Clear motionflow mode on my other Sony TV's to make sure the motion resolution is high and I'd be really disappointed if this TV is poor in comparision. Plus I heard the input lag for thr 50+ inch models is great as well...
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Soooooo, I just bought myself a 42 Inch W800B for the bedroom thinking it would allow me to change all the settings like motionflow, led dimming etc. Of course now that I have the TV I've discovered those settings only apply to the 50/55 inch models.
Has anyone performed any tests on the 42 inch model for motion resolution/input lag etc.? I usually like enabling the Clear motionflow mode on my other Sony TV's to make sure the motion resolution is high and I'd be really disappointed if this TV is poor in comparision. Plus I heard the input lag for thr 50+ inch models is great as well...
Interesting, I did not realize they made a 42" of the W800B. Are you in Asia?

Here is a rundown of the settings on this model. It would be odd that it would not be included considering it is the same model series as the 50" and 55" but again, it could be a regional thing since the 42" is not available here in the states.
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Interesting, I did not realize they made a 42" of the W800B. Are you in Asia?

Here is a rundown of the settings on this model. It would be odd that it would not be included considering it is the same model series as the 50" and 55" but again, it could be a regional thing since the 42" is not available here in the states.
Sorry, I'm in Australia. Apparently the 42" is only motionflow 200(equivalent to 240 in the US), I wonder what the chances are of this simply being a larger version of the 32" w700b?
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bought the 850b 2 days ago

i think it has a great picture

except for the clouding flashlighting in the top left corner

it bothers me a little bit....it isnt enough to say the tv is bad but for $1500 you expect it to be perfect
other than that the display does not have any noticeable issues and the picture is very good

im going to decide in the next few days to take it back or not.....i know they are prone to have some clouding but when you are looking for it it is a lot more bothersome than if you just bought the tv and didnt know it was a defect

my bro has better vision than me and it doesnt bother him at all


and ...oh my god is it huge
when you see 60inch tvs all next to each other they dont look nearly as big as when you set it up in your place
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