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I wish I could get the black levels that the TV displays when not playing anything, to be the same as when it IS playing something. I don't know how to replicate that. I don't see my cloudy areas on that black screen, the one that is shown when you switch to an input that's not playing anything. Tried fiddling with the backlight and brightness, it's always brighter and the clouds are more visible. I would have guessed that the backlight is completely off, it's so dark, but there is still visible white text on the screen that appears very white.

Does anyone else have these very small discolored spots on the screen? They cover about a 4x4 pixel area and can be seen when up close, they aren't visible from normal viewing distance. The pixels are on and appear to be normal underneath this. I have about three of these.

You may have fixed it by now (and this may not help sorry in advance) but mine was like that I believe until I changed dynamic range to limited.
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I was considering buying the Costco 48" version W590B, but now I find out that it might not have a VESA pattern for wall mounting?
Apparently the 50" W600B needs a $50 adapter to mount it on a VESA wall mount.

Does anyone know if it's the same for thr 48" W590B model as well or is it compatible with VESA mounts?
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Yeah I don't know what it is exactly. It almost worries me that I haven't seen anyone else complain about this problem. On the one hand it makes me feel like the set may be defective, but on the other hand I'm just wondering if I'm imagining it.
I doubt you're imagining it if it's that pronounced. I couldn't quite tell from your previous post, but did you remove the receiver from the equation to check if a direct source connection still presents the issue?

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FWIW 2013 Sony 40R450A vs 2014 Sony 40W600B @ Rtings.com
looks like 2013 may be a little better in *some respects *
including panel . Either one should be fine.

I have 2013 40R450A good set they are avail here cheap w/ one year warr .
I bought one here virtually new and unused xcept for test like most sets there .
I would recommend this site. One yr warranty fast free shipping no tax ☺
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-40-KDL-...item1e8f8d0d11

Other good 2014 Sony deals there
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-40-KDL-...item20ea2ccbaa

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-48-KDL-...item1e8f8d0e30

2013 Sony R450A vs 2014 Sony W600B @ Rtings.com

http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony/r450
Sony R450
Overall 7.9
Dark Room 9.2
Bright Room 9.3
Video Games 7.6
Black: 0.022 cd/m2
White: 104.5 cd/m2
Contrast: 4750 : 1

http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony/w600b
Sony W600B
Overall 8.1
Dark Room 8.5
Average Room 8.5
Bright Room 8.5
Video Games 8.1
Black: 0.026 cd/m2
White: 91.01 cd/m2
Contrast: 3500 : 1

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I was considering buying the Costco 48" version W590B, but now I find out that it might not have a VESA pattern for wall mounting?
Apparently the 50" W600B needs a $50 adapter to mount it on a VESA wall mount.

Does anyone know if it's the same for thr 48" W590B model as well or is it compatible with VESA mounts?
Per the manual it is 300mmx200mm.
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Per the manual it is 300mmx200mm.
look it up at @ Sony e support should be in marketing spec's pdf

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New update on 850b yesterday. Anyone know what it was?
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I'm betting some of the software updates had to do with Playstation Now.
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Can anyone tell me, how dark Impusle mode makes the TV? Like what equivalent backlight settings would you normally lower it to that you think Impulse mode looks like? Is it equivalent to setting the backlight at zero? Or is it something like having the backlight at only 10-20%?
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New update on 850b yesterday. Anyone know what it was?
New porn smart TV app ................. SRSLY info can probably B found here @ Sony e support
just click on the download link for description specific to your set after U input model .

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I'm betting some of the software updates had to do with Playstation Now.

Could be you can bet anytime they can monetize the platform that will take a priority over bug fixes

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New porn smart TV app ................. SRSLY info can probably B found here @ Sony e support
just click on the download link for description specific to your set after U input model .

The update isn't on Sony's US support page yet.


On my TV (in Australia) the new update is PKG2.203GAA, however on Sony Australia's support page it still shows PKG2.187GAA (PKG2.187AAA in the US).
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The update isn't on Sony's US support page yet.


On my TV (in Australia) the new update is PKG2.203GAA, however on Sony Australia's support page it still shows PKG2.187GAA (PKG2.187AAA in the US).
No surprise Sony's left hand often doesn't know what the right hand is doing since the old guard departed

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FYI, couple new low-end/mid-range W/R Series models for NA seem to be popping up:

KDL-40R350B, appears to be a Walmart exclusive model. Looks like the successor to last year's R450A. 39.5" panel, 60Hz, Motionflow XR120, 2 HDMI, no X-Reality Pro Engine (Likely uses the Clear Resolution Enhancer). Not on Sony's website:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sony-KDL40...-HDTV/36575378

There appears to be an Asia Pacific model with the same number. Looks like it has some added features: something called X-Protection Pro, which is meant to protect the TV from heat, humidity, surge damage, etc., and an FM tuner:

http://www.sony-asia.com/product/kdl-40r350b

And they've also released a W700B model, which looks to be slightly different than the W700 Sony sells in other parts of the world. It's the W800B minus the 3D, with the aluminum chassis in silver instead of black. Retains all the other features of the W800B: X-Reality Pro, Smart, 120Hz, odd non-VESA wall mount/stand. I set one of these up (50") and it indeed had all the standard Motionflow and Cinemotion settings, so it would appear it's really a 120Hz panel. Also comes in a 55". Price is good: $899 for the 50" and $999 for the 55". Not on Sony's website either.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55-...700b&cp=1&lp=1

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I'm looking at some of the reviews & LED Motion on the W600B lowers the brightness of the TV to 29.0 cd/m2? Doesn't setting the backlight to zero produce something like 80.0 cd/m2? Exactly how DIM does the TV get with the LED Motion option set to on. Seems unusable unless you play with all the lights out at night? Can it be used during the day, if I close all the curtains or would it still be too dim?
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FYI, couple new low-end/mid-range W/R Series models for NA seem to be popping up:

KDL-40R350B, appears to be a Walmart exclusive model. Looks like the successor to last year's R450A. 39.5" panel, 60Hz, Motionflow XR120, 2 HDMI, no X-Reality Pro Engine (Likely uses the Clear Resolution Enhancer). Not on Sony's website:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sony-KDL40...-HDTV/36575378

There appears to be an Asia Pacific model with the same number. Looks like it has some added features: something called X-Protection Pro, which is meant to protect the TV from heat, humidity, surge damage, etc., and an FM tuner:

http://www.sony-asia.com/product/kdl-40r350b

And they've also released a W700B model, which looks to be slightly different than the W700 Sony sells in other parts of the world. It's the W800B minus the 3D, with the aluminum chassis in silver instead of black. Retains all the other features of the W800B: X-Reality Pro, Smart, 120Hz, odd non-VESA wall mount/stand. I set one of these up (50") and it indeed had all the standard Motionflow and Cinemotion settings, so it would appear it's really a 120Hz panel. Also comes in a 55". Price is good: $899 for the 50" and $999 for the 55". Not on Sony's website either.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55-...700b&cp=1&lp=1
I have seen that KDL-40R350B at my local Wal-Mart for some time now, it seems exclusive to Wal-Mart.

The 50" and 55" are quite interesting though, I have no need for 3D and if it has similar specs to the W800B then it could be a really good option. I did a chat with Sony NA and they have no record of the W700B, it is sold in Latin America only under a similar model (W700A) and were unable to help me.

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FYI, couple new low-end/mid-range W/R Series models for NA seem to be popping up:

KDL-40R350B, appears to be a Walmart exclusive model. Looks like the successor to last year's R450A. 39.5" panel, 60Hz, Motionflow XR120, 2 HDMI, no X-Reality Pro Engine (Likely uses the Clear Resolution Enhancer). Not on Sony's website:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sony-KDL40...-HDTV/36575378

There appears to be an Asia Pacific model with the same number. Looks like it has some added features: something called X-Protection Pro, which is meant to protect the TV from heat, humidity, surge damage, etc., and an FM tuner:

http://www.sony-asia.com/product/kdl-40r350b

And they've also released a W700B model, which looks to be slightly different than the W700 Sony sells in other parts of the world. It's the W800B minus the 3D, with the aluminum chassis in silver instead of black. Retains all the other features of the W800B: X-Reality Pro, Smart, 120Hz, odd non-VESA wall mount/stand. I set one of these up (50") and it indeed had all the standard Motionflow and Cinemotion settings, so it would appear it's really a 120Hz panel. Also comes in a 55". Price is good: $899 for the 50" and $999 for the 55". Not on Sony's website either.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55-...700b&cp=1&lp=1
Fatguy.......I meant fatuglyguy ,sorry about that ☺☺☺ I thought Sony's LT strategy was to move out of the value space altogether except for the one 32"R4 and the W600B/520B sets in fact they publicly stated that at CES .

ofc a lot has happened in the interval Sony TV is no longer Sony inc. div. but is now a Sony inc.owned subsidiary
maybe as a result they have a little more leeway with Product strategy e.g, enough rope to either hang yourself or save yourself if you will.

The new models look almost exactly like 2013 R4 which are actually pretty good sets I have a 2013 40R40A
in my bedroom it has an rear light Samsung SPVA panel w .022cd/m2 black and 4700:1 contrast it's every bit the
set the W800b is and brighter also and lower black level and higher contrast .

found pictures of both main boards for both sets on pay bay the main boards are different enough *appearance wise * to indicate the possibility of a different supplier or maybe not and only a newer similar part.


If the new Sony R3 sets model can match the 40r450A panel performance @ $350.00 or even ~$449.00 for the 40R350B at WM and other (maybe different model number on same set ) that would be a way swinging value deal .

My 2013 40r450A has IMO a better picture than 2014 Viseo FALD which btw is not that hard to do IMO away.
The 40" Viseo and some other Viseo FALD panels are not spec'd as well as 2013 R 4 Sony panels and have to invoke FALD to get even an acceptable black level and contrast that still cant match the Sony R4 panels .

Interesting about the new 700 model wonder if they are edge or back light I'm assuming the R3 is probably an
Samsung SPVA LCD cell with Foxconn fabricated and assembled LED rear back light like the 2013 Sony R4's
it makes sense they could use existing parts & tooling .

The2013 40" R4 has 50 LED hopefully the new 40" R3 has same panels and performance if so it's a swinging deal
likewise if the new 700B can match the 800B and only leave 3D on the table .Maybe they will come out with same same (40r423B or something like that model ) for Costco/Sams club etc. interesting thanks for posting F.G.

Is W700B B.B exclusive or no? How was pix as compared to 800B and competition ? how about same foe WM R3 ?
Looks like these new R3/700B models may be a good effort to compete in the mass market value sector like Visio etc.
and may offer a better experience .

No reason new Sony inc. owned subsidiary (with presumably less corporate overhead operating cost now ) can't match Viseo cost of goods and pricing using Foxconn or other OEM/ODM much like they already do for TV and CE.
or even existing underutilized Sony inc. plants , anyway. My R4 is Foxconn .

Sony TV might have more leeway now as and owned Subsidiary instead of Sony inc. div. as is often the case in these situations to better respond to market trends and have diverse product in a timely manner .

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Surprising I thought Sony's LT strategy was to move out of the value space altogether except for the one 32"R4 and the W600B/520B sets in fact they publicly stated that at CES .

ofc a lot has happened in the interval Sony TV is no longer Sony inc. div. but is now a Sony inc.owned subsidiary
maybe as a result they have a little more leeway with Product strategy e.g, enough rope to either hang yourself or save yourself if you will.

The new models look almost exactly like 2013 R4 which are actually pretty good sets I have a 2013 40R40A
in my bedroom it has an rear light Samsung SPVA panel w .022cd/m2 black and 4700:1 contrast it's every bit the
set the W800b is and brighter also and lower black level and higher contrast .

found pictures of both main boards for both sets on pay bay the main boards are different enough *appearance wise * to indicate the possibility of a different supplier or maybe not and only a newer similar part.


If the new Sony R3 sets model can match the 40r450A panel performance @ $350.00 or even ~$449.00 for the 40R350B at WM and other (maybe different model number on same set ) that would be a way swinging value deal .

My 2013 40r450A has IMO a better picture than 2014 Viseo FALD which btw is not that hard to do IMO away.
The 40" Viseo and some other Viseo FALD panels are not spec'd as well as 2013 R 4 Sony panels and have to invoke FALD to get even an acceptable black level and contrast that still cant match the Sony R4 panels .

Interesting about the new 700 model wonder if they are edge or back light I'm assuming the R3 is probably an
Samsung SPVA LCD cell with Foxconn fabricated and assembled LED rear back light like the 2013 Sony R4's
it makes sense they could use existing parts & tooling .

The2013 40" R4 has 50 LED hopefully the new 40" R3 has same panels and performance if so it's a swinging deal
likewise if the new 700B can match the 800B and only leave 3D on the table .Maybe they will come out with same same (40r423B or something like that model ) for Costco/Sams club etc. interesting thanks for posting

Is W700B B.B exclusive or no? How was pix as compared to 800B and competition ?
Looks like these new models are may be a good effort to compete in the mass market value sector like Visio etc.
and may offer a better experience .

No reason new Sony inc. owned subsidiary (with less corporate overhead now ) can't match Viseo cost of goods and pricing using Foxconn or other OEM/ODM much like they already do for TV and CE.
or even existing underutilized Sony inc. plants , anyway. My R4 is Foxconn .

Sony TV might have more leeway now as and owned Subsidiary instead of Sony inc. div. as is often the case in these situations to better respond to market trends and have diverse product in a timely manner .
I was thinking the same for the W700B models.

Obviously, this is an "introductory" price so I would expect to see them down in the $700 range for the 50" which would be amazing if it has the same specifications/reviews as the W800B series (minus 3D capabilities).
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Obviously, this is an "introductory" price so I would expect to see them down in the $700 range for the 50" which would be amazing if it has the same specifications/reviews as the W800B series (minus 3D capabilities).
Sony usually comes out of the gate a little higher and then settle down ofc they might not have as much room with these new sets .
OTOH if Sony inc. gives the new TV owned subsidiary some leeway with earnings calls in the near term (and also with expected lower operating costs ) maybe they can price favorably and hold to it to add market share in the value segment ........... just think Cheap Sony = new and better than cheap Viseo model

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Sony usually comes out of the gate a little higher and then settle down ofc they might not have as much room with these new sets .
OTOH if Sony inc. gives the new TV owned subsidiary some leeway with earnings calls in the near term (and also with expected lower operating costs ) maybe they can price favorably and hold to it to add market share in the value segment ........... just think Cheap Sony = new and better than cheap Viseo model
Haha, for sure. Vizio has tempted me but I am holding out for that perfect Sony model for my needs; not trying to be a fan-boy, they just have everything I want in a TV (except for the cheap price).
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New 40" Sony 120hz (panel ) set at Wall Mart = Sony KDL40W580B 40" 1080p 120Hz Class LED HDTV $449 msrp and see lower price in cart deal
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sony-KDL40...ingMethod=p13n
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Haha, for sure. Vizio has tempted me but I am holding out for that perfect Sony model for my needs; not trying to be a fan-boy, they just have everything I want in a TV (except for the cheap price).

Go for the Sony my 2013 60 60Hz 40r450a has very good pix bought a 49.00 Roku 1 for it to give it probably better web business than reg Sony smart TV app. It actually has better black and contrast + brighter than 2014 W600B model you can score one here (see below) with a 1 yr. warranty for cheap I got mine there
At least with the 2013 R4 you for sure get a better panel than most worth it to me. I got mine at this joint below fast free shipping,no tax and 1 yr warranty same as NIB mine was new and unused only slight damage to orig box that's it they test them B4 shipping also . lots of other deals there also even 2014 Sony's This is my 4th Sony over the years no regrets on any of them and always the best pictures .

No Idea what panels are in these new Sony's (yet) but I know what the other 2014 Sony's use .

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-40-KDL-...item1e8f8d0d11

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New 40" Sony 120hz (panel ) set at Wall Mart = Sony KDL40W580B 40" 1080p 120Hz Class LED HDTV $449 msrp and see lower price in cart deal
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sony-KDL40...ingMethod=p13n



Go for the Sony my 2013 60 60Hz 40r450a has very good pix bought a 49.00 Roku 1 for it to give it probably better web business than reg Sony smart TV app. It actually has better black and contrast + brighter than 2014 W600B model you can score one here (see below) with a 1 yr. warranty for cheap I got mine there
At least with the 2013 R4 you for sure get a better panel than most worth it to me I got mine at this joint fast free shipping,no tax and 1 yr warranty same as NIB mine was new and unused only slight damage to orig box that's it they test them B4 shipping also . lots of other deals there also even 2014 Sony's This is my 4th Sony over the years no regrets on any of them and always the best pictures .

No Idea what panels are in these new Sony's (yet) but I know what the other 2014 Sony's use .

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what do you think of the Sony kdl55w700b?
No clue ask fat man.... I mean fatalguy ☺ above he's seen it I think or go check it out at BB good price if it's rear lit it might have a Samsung (Foxconn back-light ) SPVA-2 panel those are usually decent . looks to be decent price probably better than Viseo anyway . it's 120Hz with X-Reality PRO same as a lot of other new Sonys

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I'm looking at some of the reviews & LED Motion on the W600B lowers the brightness of the TV to 29.0 cd/m2? Doesn't setting the backlight to zero produce something like 80.0 cd/m2? Exactly how DIM does the TV get with the LED Motion option set to on. Seems unusable unless you play with all the lights out at night? Can it be used during the day, if I close all the curtains or would it still be too dim?
I just recently got the 48" W600B (actually the Costco version) so I haven't played around with it much yet. However the LED Motion mode does make the screen quite dim. I imagine you would get used to it after a little while, but in general it does seem to be recommended for dark rooms. But if you have blackout curtains your room might be dark enough during the day.

I remember reading in some review that the equivalent Motionflow Impulse mode on the W800B is in some way "less aggressive", so maybe it doesn't make the image quite as dim? The W800B might be brighter (stronger LEDs) in general.

Unfortunately I've seen opinions on Motionflow Impulse (same as LED Motion mode) range from "completely unusable due to dimming (or flickering)" to "will never play a game without it again!" so I guess it's really subjective. At least I'm glad Sony has given us the option! Hopefully one day they will also give us the option of adjusting the backlight strobing duty cycle, so we can choose the dimming/flickering vs. clear motion tradeoff ourselves.

After I try it out I'll post my impressions. At least the flickering doesn't bother me, which I was more concerned about than the dimming.
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I just recently got the 48" W600B (actually the Costco version) so I haven't played around with it much yet. However the LED Motion mode does make the screen quite dim. I imagine you would get used to it after a little while, but in general it does seem to be recommended for dark rooms. But if you have blackout curtains your room might be dark enough during the day.

I remember reading in some review that the equivalent Motionflow Impulse mode on the W800B is in some way "less aggressive", so maybe it doesn't make the image quite as dim? The W800B might be brighter (stronger LEDs) in general.

Unfortunately I've seen opinions on Motionflow Impulse (same as LED Motion mode) range from "completely unusable due to dimming (or flickering)" to "will never play a game without it again!" so I guess it's really subjective. At least I'm glad Sony has given us the option! Hopefully one day they will also give us the option of adjusting the backlight strobing duty cycle, so we can choose the dimming/flickering vs. clear motion tradeoff ourselves.

After I try it out I'll post my impressions. At least the flickering doesn't bother me, which I was more concerned about than the dimming.
The thing is, I read the Costco version & the W600B version of LED Motion sets the brightness to something like 30 cd/m2. In comparison, setting the backlight to absolute zero on my Samsung TV sets the brightness to something like 80-90 cd/m2. The LED Motion turned would be 3 times dimmer than normally setting the backlight to zero? This just seems way too farfetched. That would make it unusable.
Do you think the LED Motion turned on with the backlight set to max looks dimmer than setting the backlight to zero with LED motion off?

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The thing is, I read the Costco version & the W600B version of LED Motion sets the brightness to something like 30 cd/m2. In comparison, setting the backlight to absolute zero on my Samsung TV sets the brightness to something like 80-90 cd/m2. The LED Motion turned would be 3 times dimmer than normally setting the backlight to zero? This just seems way too farfetched. That would make it unusable.
Do you think the LED Motion turned on with the backlight set to max looks dimmer than setting the backlight to zero with LED motion off?



Costco version of the W600B aka W520B is same as W600B .

Samsung are generally max brighter as a rule blinking back light sucks anyway better solution is 120Hz panel
blinking back-light LED motion on Sony is ~ 50% dimmer anyway never use mine doesn't do much if anything anyway
just another useless advertising bling feature ! Have not seen one published review liking it games or pgm.

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Kdl42w700b ?

Hey guys,

What's this model here ? KDL42W700B This is in Canada. I went through this thread but couldn't see anything about this model. I am just comparing which one is better ? The KDL42W700B or KDL48600B ?

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ...434951caeden02


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KDL48600B is back light most likley Samsung SPVA panel or US models are Samsung panels
KDL42W700B is not avail in US is edge lit could be LGD or more likely AUO edge lite

I try to avoid edge lit panels to many problems also uniformity,color banding and clouding all are more common and severe on edge light
specs are same other than type/size panels I have a 2013 40R450a with rear light Samsung panel V.G. pix I would go for 48600B

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KDL48600B is back light most likley Samsung SPVA panel or US models are Samsung panels
KDL42W700B is not avail in US is edge lit could be LGD or more likely AUO edge lite

I try to avoid edge lit panels to many problems also uniformity,color banding and clouding all are more common and severe on edge light
specs are same other than type/size panels I have a 2013 40R450a with rear light Samsung panel V.G. pix I would go for 48600B
Hi tubetwister, thanks

Its strange the 42w700b is not in the US, also it looks like the tv comes in 32" and 42" and nothing bigger here in Canada. So I guess the better choice is the 48w600b ?

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Hi tubetwister, thanks

Its strange the 42w700b is not in the US, also it looks like the tv comes in 32" and 42" and nothing bigger here in Canada. So I guess the better choice is the 48w600b ?
I belive 42 700B is CAN.,UK,EU, maybe UAE model . looks like AUO AMVA edge light not bad panels for edge light .
48W7xxB Sammie rear light panel *may or may not * have somewhat better contrast ,black levels should be close in any event .
The issue with some of the Xx800B might be peak brightness though should be adequate .
I think W700B is kind of an orphan or red headed step child .

FWIW here are the equivalent W7xxB model E.U. panels .

42W705B - AUO (T420HVF06.0) - 100Hz AMVA
Sony 42W706B - AUO (T420HVF06.0) - 100Hz AMVA

and the equivalent EU 48W6xxB panels -

Sony 48W605B - Samsung (LSY480HN0101) - 50Hz SPVA should be a decent panel is same panel as US 48W600B
opr the new Sony W700B at WM if you can score it in a 50

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