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should be able to go to settings >sound >speakers > TV speakers ON > scroll down to next page set audio out to variable or fixed note : variable will only work on 3.5mm stereo analog out .
S/PDIF optical (toslink ) or PCM coax data out will be fixed and fixed should be selected instead of variable in that case.

Note TV speakers must also be on in options > speakers > select TV speakers

TV speakers and volume will work normally as will fixed optical or PCM coax data outs if selected .
Is that Dolby 5.1 out the optical pass through. Doesn't seem to be working that way. This is for my turtle beach headset.
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Should be Dolby 5.1 on glass OTOH some sets only pass 2 or 2.1 ch stereo on glass and reserve the 5.1 for copper coaxial pcm data cable out (if present ) and /or HDMI ARC
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Any large differences between W600B and W800B apart from the 3D?

I have read both reviews and it seems the W800b is the better one but the price difference is a lot to consider and also the 600b comes in 48"

Is it really worth the price to go for the 800b?
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Any large differences between W600B and W800B apart from the 3D?

I have read both reviews and it seems the W800b is the better one but the price difference is a lot to consider and also the 600b comes in 48"

Is it really worth the price to go for the 800b?
also interested in this, but more as a comparison between the 600 and the 700 (since the 700/800 should be similar/identical). from what i can gather primary differences are motionflow variability and contrast ratio. i'm not as interested in motionflow, but more dynamic contrast ratio might be worth the extra money.
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Any large differences between W600B and W800B apart from the 3D?

I have read both reviews and it seems the W800b is the better one but the price difference is a lot to consider and also the 600b comes in 48"

Is it really worth the price to go for the 800b?
W 800B has an arguably better picture and panel W600B = good/ W700B better/ W800B more better + 3D also .
goto rtimgs.com and compare + read reviews and Q an A on sets no 700B there though think of a 700B as an 800B minus 3D (I believe they may use same or very similar panel ) which would arguably be better than W600B .btw contrast ratio is very important cant have to much of that on an LCD they start looking real decent when you bust 4500: 1 .

2014 Sony W600B Black: 0.026 cd/m2 Contrast: 3500 : 1 Samsing SPVA

2014 Sony W800B Black: 0.020 cd/m2 Contrast: 5260 : 1 AUO MVA5

2014 Sony W850B Black: 0.026 cd/m2 Contrast: 4273 : 1 AUO MVA5
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I haven't actually seen a 700, just an 800 in 2d and can tell that to my uneducated eye there was a clear difference. Sorry but I can't define it. I suggest you look at them if you can.


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W 800B has an arguably better picture and panel W600B = good/ W700B better/ W800B more better + 3D also .
goto rtimgs.com and compare + read reviews and Q an A on sets no 700B there though think of a 700B as an 800B minus 3D (I believe they may use same or very similar panel ) which would arguably be better than W600B .btw contrast ratio is very important cant have to much of that on an LCD they start looking real decent when you bust 4500: 1 .

2014 Sony W600B Black: 0.026 cd/m2 Contrast: 3500 : 1 Samsing SPVA

2014 Sony W800B Black: 0.020 cd/m2 Contrast: 5260 : 1 AUO MVA5

2014 Sony W850B Black: 0.026 cd/m2 Contrast: 4273 : 1 AUO MVA5
rtings.com is a great site and all but they are only one source. According to them the W800B is slightly better than the W850B but if you read cnet's reviews of the two models (they mention that they compared them side-by-side) they seem to conclude that the W850B is the slightly better set that produces deeper blacks and does a better job of displaying red (an issue the entire W line seems to suffer from). Not to say that cnet is the be-all-end-all either but you can't base your opinion on one review site alone.
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rtings.com is a great site and all but they are only one source. According to them the W800B is slightly better than the W850B but if you read cnet's reviews of the two models (they mention that they compared them side-by-side) they seem to conclude that the W850B is the slightly better set that produces deeper blacks and does a better job of displaying red (an issue the entire W line seems to suffer from). Not to say that cnet is the be-all-end-all either but you can't base your opinion on one review site alone.
I don't remember rtings.com saying the 800B than the 850B was better maybe I missed that arguably the 800B has better panel major difference is fat bottom wedge design
and bigger speakers on the 850B they both share the same video processing HDWE and with the panel thing it's not impossible that 800B could be slightly better .

panel specs

2014 Sony W800B Black: 0.020 cd/m2 Contrast: 5260 : 1 AUO AMVA5 < better calibrated panel result .☺☺
could be the same panel and just set to set variations no two sets will usually calibrate exactly alike even same models
2014 Sony W850B Black: 0.026 cd/m2 Contrast: 4273 : 1 AUO AMVA5

C net might be lazy. I'm told they calibrate at W/100% color slides nobody does that in the real world also word is they measure black with 90% black screen again nobody else does that they use checkerboard patterns.
if that's true it's not the best way to do it and not the way it's done by professional calibrators in the field .
Their recommended settings always differ from my calibrations on my sets also . ofc some difference is to be expected in any case but in some cases the differences were major.

90% black favors local dimming and frame dimming and FALD that and the way they calibrate (100% colors) may not be indicative of real world results and their reviews don't provide much beyond opinions most of the time, at least
rtings .com gives info measurements comparison facilities and data
way better site .

Of the 6 sets I have here 5 of which were reviewed at both sites
there were differences between the two sites reviews and calibrations and in every case rtings.com
was spot on . Sony's always push reds alwayse have it's fixable if you don't use 100% color in your calibrations like cnet though and watch your other adjustments.

You go ahead and keep reading C net ( TV opinions for dummies ) it's pretty dummed down, ( TV Reviews for Dummies ) that what they should call it ☺☺☺


C net is trying to be consumer reports reviewing everything from automobiles to washing machines and doing a rather poor job of it all in all ,sadly the TV part such as it is is one of the better sections there .

Never hurts to look a couple of sites long as it isn't C net or more appropriately TV opinions for dummies ☺☺☺
Lots of good sites in U.K.
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I don't remember rtings.com saying the 800B than the 850B was better maybe I missed that arguably the 800B has better panel major difference is fat bottom wedge design
and bigger speakers on the 850B they both share the same video processing HDWE and with the panel thing it's not impossible that 800B could be slightly better .

panel specs

2014 Sony W800B Black: 0.020 cd/m2 Contrast: 5260 : 1 AUO AMVA5 < better calibrated panel result .☺☺
could be the same panel and just set to set variations no two sets will usually calibrate exactly alike even same models
2014 Sony W850B Black: 0.026 cd/m2 Contrast: 4273 : 1 AUO AMVA5

C net might be lazy. I'm told they calibrate at W/100% color slides nobody does that in the real world also word is they measure black with 90% black screen again nobody else does that they use checkerboard patterns.
if that's true it's not the best way to do it and not the way it's done by professional calibrators in the field .
Their recommended settings always differ from my calibrations on my sets also . ofc some difference is to be expected in any case but in some cases the differences were major.

90% black favors local dimming and frame dimming and FALD that and the way they calibrate (100% colors) may not be indicative of real world results and their reviews don't provide much beyond opinions most of the time, at least
rtings .com gives info measurements comparison facilities and data
way better site .

Of the 6 sets I have here 5 of which were reviewed at both sites
there were differences between the two sites reviews and calibrations and in every case rtings.com
was spot on . Sony's always push reds alwayse have it's fixable if you don't use 100% color in your calibrations like cnet though and watch your other adjustments.

You go ahead and keep reading C net ( TV opinions for dummies ) it's pretty dummed down, ( TV Reviews for Dummies ) that what they should call it ☺☺☺


C net is trying to be consumer reports reviewing everything from automobiles to washing machines and doing a rather poor job of it all in all ,sadly the TV part such as it is is one of the better sections there .

Never hurts to look a couple of sites long as it isn't C net or more appropriately TV opinions for dummies ☺☺☺
Lots of good sites in U.K.
Hey no offense meant. I don't know much about review sites or tv's in general. I didn't know cnet was considered to be a bad source. I'm personally leaning towards the 55W800B because I think it's a better size for my room but the cnet review had me considering the 60W850B. Thanks for the response.
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Hey no offense meant. I don't know much about review sites or tv's in general. I didn't know C net was considered to be a bad source. I'm personally leaning towards the 55W800B because I think it's a better size for my room but the cnet review had me considering the 60W850B. Thanks for the response.
It's cool Quade,...Kuato still with you these days ? ☺☺☺

C net is TV reviews for dummies ☺☺☺, rtings .com and HDTVtest uk are the real deal .

800B probably has the same panel and most parts inside except for the speakers
that would be my choice especially considering most of the time it will be getting mpeg compressed and bit shaped HD lite r.f. broadcasts or even more compressed SAT/CATV re transmission of already compressed feeds and aside from the occasional Blue ray it wont be working anywhere near it's potential anyway
and any difference between the 800 and 850.if any are going to be slight .besides personally I'm not a fan of the Sony wedgies anyway sets are fine I just don't like wedgie TV's. Black and contrast make the picture and the 800B has plenty !

I downloaded 2 - 4K UHD Samsung demo loops today and sent it to the TV over HDMI from my PC . TV never looked so good even played on a 1080p set it will have a very high bit rate transfer and lots of chroma ( color ) and detail l
looked even better than a blue ray to me awesome video you ain't going to see anything like that on TV !

I have the 2013 and 2014 Samsung demo loops same as they play on the 4K sets in the store I would imagine . I'm going to download the LG and Sony demos also great eye candy .
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I have the W800B which is hands down the best tv I've ever owned......and I've been through a lot of tvs

My question is about the blue tooth....I can't get it to pair with any of my blue tooth devices,ie, iPhone 5s or iPad. What am I doing wrong?

TIA,

JHawk
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I have the W800B which is hands down the best tv I've ever owned......and I've been through a lot of tvs

My question is about the blue tooth....I can't get it to pair with any of my blue tooth devices,ie, iPhone 5s or iPad. What am I doing wrong?

TIA,

JHawk
I'm not sure if you are talking about sync I belive it's for Sony devices unless we are talking about two different things
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I'm not sure if you are talking about sync I belive it's for Sony devices unless we are talking about two different things
Sorry for the confusion but you answered my question....I didn't know if the blue tooth setting on the W800 would allow it to sync with any blue tooth device or just Sony products.
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Thanks for the answers, I guess if I want to future proof I have to get the W800B since it has 3D and a better panel.


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Anybody have any good 3D settings for the 60w850b? Im getting cross talk from content from my media library. Do not have any BluRays to try yet. All 3D content has been SBS. I'm using the latest firmware. Otherwise, picture is fantastic for 2d Blurays, HDTV and media library content. Hard to believe a TV this pricey would have such poor 3D.
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So what kind of panel is in my 55W700B? There were 5 dead pixels in my 55W800B so it went right back. My 700B did not include the standoff posts for VESA wall mounting that were included with the 800B. I am not wall-mounting it but if you are that may be a consideration, they might suppose to be included, and the manual says for w800b/w790b/w700b on the cover.
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My 700B did not include the standoff posts for VESA wall mounting that were included with the 800B. I am not wall-mounting it but if you are that may be a consideration, they might suppose to be included, and the manual says for w800b/w790b/w700b on the cover.
A user from the 700b thread claims it comes with 2 standoffs: Sony kdl55w700b

Later on he said he got a wall mount and plans to set it up, but he hasn't replied with results yet.
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No you are absolutely right, I went and pulled out all of the packing material and there they are.
I'm pretty meticulous, and I found them in the W800 box so ?
So yeah, they do seem to be included and I somehow overlooked them. Bah
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A user from the 700b thread claims it comes with 2 standoffs: Sony kdl55w700b

Later on he said he got a wall mount and plans to set it up, but he hasn't replied with results yet.
I don't think mine came with them. I am kind of annoyed by it.
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Anyone have settings for the 800b for regular cable? Or do you guys use the rtings.com Cali's for it as well?
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Anyone have settings for the 800b for regular cable? Or do you guys use the rtings.com Cali's for it as well?
try this works on most Sony

start here see how you like it (see below) ..................should present most accurate colors and provide depth


Just put set in Cinema mode + neut color + max out back light and contrast (picture )
+ turn on cine mode auto, Cinema mode takes care of color management for you disables cp. you don't need.brings gamma into line and gives best picture also .
Make sure any ECO power saving (ECO menu ) auto brightness/back light etc (everything in there ) if present is off .
in screen menu set 1:1 pixel (full pixel) auto display and 4:3 default off and auto wide on

note : start out with color and brightness about 53- 55 or so and adjust to preference but not so high as to over saturate the color, cause blooming or make the blacks grey. (small adjustments here are good big ones are not . )
60 would probably be the maximum color and brightness levels in daylight.

Lastly download and use Sony color blind test to fine tune brightness and color saturation (use the red and blue videos)
It's very clever and works very well!


Sony Pixel and wide mode settings

Home >settings> screen in screen menu set 1:1 pixel (full pixel) auto display and 4:3 default off and auto wide on


Wide mode Full is default 16:9 HD or unaltered 4:3 with pillar bars on each side . default

Zoom will fill out screen with 4.3 or DVD wlth least distortion best to leave upscale DVD, DVD Blue Ray ,or any Netflix ,Amazon stream, in 16:9 Wide Mode Full and live with the letter bars I never use it except some 4:3 .

Wide Zoom murders just about every thing I never use it . .

When you stretch or alter a picture ,or pixel setting is off of 1:1 you can loose ½ resolution no big deal on 4:3 though .
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Pc Richards has the 55800b on sale for under a grand. Im trying to read thru all 33 pages to see if its worth it to pick up one. I usually like Samsungs tv. They seem to be more colorful at least to my eyes but what little i have read thru this thread i may get one.
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Good catch! Pcrichards doesn't have it in the flier but if you put it in the cart it's 999! Will best buy match a regional chain?


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Good catch! Pcrichards doesn't have it in the flier but if you put it in the cart it's 999! Will best buy match a regional chain?


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They will price match if they are a local retailer in your area, they are not specific on the "miles" from the store to consider it local.
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They are far in miles (ny vs nc) but will ship free so how is it different from amazon?

Oh - they prob don't charge tax. I could end up ahead unless I want to return


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bestbuy has specific online retailers that it matches and pcrichards.com is not among them.

I was falling into the classic trap: a discounted price equals a good deal. A 55w700b with coupon and tax is $980 at bestbuy. A 55w800b is $999 with no tax or shipping from PCRichards. So the 800 is clearly a much better deal except I don't need 3d so the fact that it's 500 off MSRP and 200 below the usual street price means nothing. It comes with the possibility of return/exchange nightmares which I won't have with the 700.
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Thinking of buying the W850B, but I can't find too many high-quality reviews of it, aside from RTings. Has DigitalVersus or another similar website reviewed this model? Please post links if you can find them
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Thinking of buying the W850B, but I can't find too many high-quality reviews of it, aside from RTings. Has DigitalVersus or another similar website reviewed this model? Please post links if you can find them
I believe this UK review of Sony KDL50W829 3D LED TV is same as US W800B that other than the W850B premium feel and finish and wedge design and larger speakers is almost same as W800 B that both use AUO AMVA panel

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl50...1403023650.htm

RTings is very good review site,the best IMO followed by maybe HDTV test and then Digital vs then TV for Dummies AKA
C net Nothing at Digital vs yet .

then there is this http://www.cnet.com/products/sony-kdl-60w850b/
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Currently I'm leaning toward buying the KDL-60W850B to replace a KDS-60A3000 with an optical block issue. In person I couldn't find any glaring problems with either the 60" or 70" models in bright store lighting, but unfortunately reviews are about all I have to rely on for dim-room or calibrated comparisons. Rtings makes the W850B look like a reasonable replacement for the SXRD. About the only knock I much noticed from Cnet was that the Vizio M series dimming can probably get darker than the W850B, which seems reasonable based on decent M series contrast measurements from Sound and Vision and Reviewed. I can't make much sense of why the PC Mag performance testing procedure seems to vary across different reviews, but they have the only other review I've seen on the W850B:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2459604,00.asp
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Currently I'm leaning toward buying the KDL-60W850B to replace a KDS-60A3000 with an optical block issue. In person I couldn't find any glaring problems with either the 60" or 70" models in bright store lighting, but unfortunately reviews are about all I have to rely on for dim-room or calibrated comparisons. Rtings makes the W850B look like a reasonable replacement for the SXRD. About the only knock I much noticed from Cnet was that the Vizio M series dimming can probably get darker than the W850B, which seems reasonable based on decent M series contrast measurements from Sound and Vision and Reviewed. I can't make much sense of why the PC Mag performance testing procedure seems to vary across different reviews, but they have the only other review I've seen on the W850B:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2459604,00.asp
C net always bring up the Vizio maybe they bought him lunch (or something else ) or he is just (rightfully so )taking care of the C net value shoppers and giving them options . ☺☺ Have to read between lines .

I've read here the way they allegedly measure blacks and contrast with a 90% black screen instead of the usual checkerboard , if true that wold likely favor local dimming as mentioned by another poster here .

If you read between the lines I get the impression (to his credit ) D.K. tried to honestly and subtly convey he thinks the Sony 8.5x is clearly better than current Vizio FALD . at the same time while giving Cnet viewers a good value option .

e.g, Visio M FALD , (not related to Sony 850B review but similar thought IMO. )

Quote:
"Picture is not significantly better than less-expensive E-Series; color accuracy and video processing not quite as good as some competitors; below-average sound quality." http://www.cnet.com/products/vizio-m652i-b2/
Also local dimming (FALD ) may measure better but it is artificial black e.g, turning off LED zones .
and IMO and from what I read and have seen (Visio) can cause blooming and crush detail especially at both extremes and particularly dark and black detail .
I've always favor the use of a better panel to begin with as you are likely to find in a Sony800/850B

I also tend to lend more credence to reviews at RTings .com and HDTVtest.com
personally although sometimes D.K is pretty good others IMO not so hot .

Maybe CBS/Cnet have the Cnet folks reviewing too many Toasters,Washing Machines,iPhones ,Android Phones ,Tard Pads ,vacuume cleaners and ear buds ,etc,etc,etc not to mention cars all of a sudden in addition to TV and PC/Mac.

I get the impression they (Cnet) are trying to be like Consumer reports in a way but are doing a rather poor job of it . That being said I think the TV section is one of the better ones at C net but not one of the best on the Web .
but not sometimes if you read between the lines .

Best Review of the ones above IMO
https://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/sony/w850b

65 and 70 W850B have active 3D and because of that are likely AUO A-MVA or Samsung S-PVA panels (a good thing IMO)........... more likely AUO panels also IMO .
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