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post #91 of 1029 Old 04-03-2014, 12:48 PM
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The black levels look great on your pics Otakunate.

FYI, for those that are concerned with input lag.. Leo Bodnar finally has more input lag test devices in stock. I just bought one here:

http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=212

I can't wait to test it on my 7 year old 42" Sharp LC4264U.. It was one of the better HDTVs input lag-wise for gaming back in 2007. I have been on the fence about the Sony W series TVs for a while since I compete in fighting game tournaments.
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Edit :

The US 600B /800B are likley from what I have read AUO MVA edge light panels with frame dimming on the 800B . (maybe some Samsung VA panels as well ? )

I have a 2013 KDL 40R450A it is using a Samsung SPVA rear light panel according to the service menu .

The 600B's are 60Hz panels and the 800's ofc are 120 Hz panels .

On the the 2013 KDL 40 R450a the panel is a 6 bit (+high FRC) 60Hz VA panel even though KDL R450A is Samsung rear light and the W600B is likley AUO edge light .
both panels may have same contrast spec and no brightness spec. Sony is providing their own back lights (Or maybe Foxconn is. )

The 2013 Bravia sets are Foxconn made in Mexico , I'm assuming the XX W600B /800B are similar in that respect. and both believed to be using AUO edge light panels .

This is a strong possibility of the panel type likely to be found in the W600B
http://www.panelook.com/T400HVN01.0%20CELL_AUO_40_CELL_parameter_21559.html

I haven't seen much info on the 800B panel other than it is edge light with frame dimming and believed to be an AUO 3D 120Hz panel .

I have the 2013 KDL40 R450A in the bedroom decent blacks and decent picture (very good at night ) the back light could be brighter in daylight although it's adequate and as good as anything else at the price. Picture quality overall is as good or better than anything else at the same price point.. I would imagine it would be very similar to the
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Like mentioned above regarding the W600B with LED motion on the back light on the 450A isn't bright enough to overcome the reduced brightness either so I keep it off.

From what I have read so far the 2 sets may be very similar performance wise .

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The black levels look great on your pics Otakunate.

FYI, for those that are concerned with input lag.. Leo Bodnar finally has more input lag test devices in stock. I just bought one here:

http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=212

I can't wait to test it on my 7 year old 42" Sharp LC4264U.. It was one of the better HDTVs input lag-wise for gaming back in 2007. I have been on the fence about the Sony W series TVs for a while since I compete in fighting game tournaments.

All of the recent Sony W series TVs like the KDL-55W900a and KDL-65W850a are among the lowest in input lag times (19ms and 18ms, respectively) http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
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To those in Canada, the Sony, Future Shop and Best Buy website still lists 50W790B but in store, it's the 50W800B.


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Here's a few. Sorry this is from my cell phone. Anyway the bighter picture is game mode with a backlight of 3. That's pretty bright actually, i use 1 normally. The darker image is game mode backlight max with impulse mode on.

Do you find you can use the impulse mode? Or is it too dark and/or flickering?
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I don't use it. Its to dark and mutes the colors much. Its sad because it does work in making motion resolution better. People that can afford Sony's 4k fald set are gonna be very happy i think.
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so the w802a was 240hz or was it 120? any way givin that fact when i owned it i always turned off all the motion stuff it had S.O. effect at default. In the short brief time i looked at the 600b before that problem pooped up it seemed nice and responsive no S.O. what so ever, but with led motion turned on it did produce a little bit of S.O. but not as much as the 802a. Maybe my eyes are more sensitive to refresh rates but in my opinion i thought the motion looked better then the 802a no banding was present at all ether.

On the 802a even with motion effects turned off you could still notice blur around silhouettes of protagonist's in video games. 600b none what so ever i believe in my opinion it's actually because of the fact that it is a 60hz panel. That's just my opinion though, i feel we always think bigger the number the better on everything not just tv's even with price tags, but now i have been realizing you can find beauty in the little things =).

coming from a consumer who is tired of paying $1,800 plus on tv's and other products.

Why, Sony? Why?...
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Ok here's some better pics. My phone darkened the image. Took these with a normal point and shoot. I can't get a good shot with a all black image. My camera just blows it out. This is the 40W600B.
Do you own Pacific Rim? That is my new torture test for any display. If you own a PS4 Infamous:Second son is my other. Both are killer for black levels,contrast and image depth/detail.
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I don't use it. Its to dark and mutes the colors much. Its sad because it does work in making motion resolution better. People that can afford Sony's 4k fald set are gonna be very happy i think.

Thanks. Figured as much.
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I was at a Sony store today checking out all of the new 1080p TVs. Based on what I saw under those conditions, the contrast on the W950B looked rather poor. The 70" W840B (W850B) also did not have that great of an image. The coating used on the 70W840B in particular appeared to contribute to the so-so image. The 60" W840B looked better, but the best picture quality of the 2014 models under these conditions was the 50" W790B (W800B) by far.

That said, the 65" S990 appeared to have the best quality panel amongst all the 2013 and 2014 1080p TVs in the store (better than the W850A and W900A). The colours, contrast, and viewing angles were all excellent on the S990. I understand the price on the S990 is currently comparable to the other non-curved Sony 1080p TVs in the US right now and I would recommend giving that one serious consideration before buying any of the other 2014 TVs.
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I was at a Sony store today checking out all of the new 1080p TVs. Based on what I saw under those conditions, the contrast on the W950B looked rather poor. The 70" W840B (W850B) also did not have that great of an image. The coating used on the 70W840B in particular appeared to contribute to the so-so image. The 60" W840B looked better, but the best picture quality of the 2014 models under these conditions was the 50" W790B (W800B) by far.

That said, the 65" S990 appeared to have the best quality panel amongst all the 2013 and 2014 1080p TVs in the store (better than the W850A and W900A). The colours, contrast, and viewing angles were all excellent on the S990. I understand the price on the S990 is currently comparable to the other non-curved Sony 1080p TVs in the US right now and I would recommend giving that one serious consideration before buying any of the other 2014 TVs.

what about the w600b, did you check it out too and did it compare with the w790b

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Hey all, 

 

I just picked up the 48" W600B and have it sitting at home.  I was looking on here for some picture calibration settings and when I noticed that the set is a whopping $250 more in Canada vs the US I was shocked, and was even more perturbed to realize that the set is 60 hz rather than 120 hz which the Best Buy sales associate had told me it was.  I actually bought this set to replace my 51" Samsung F5500 which had amazing picture quality but I could not live with the excessive buzzing which was made worse by wall mounting.  I went with this set over a few LG LEDs (47LN5750, 50LN5750, and the 55LN5310) ) and a Samsung UN55FH6030FXZC LED - I know the LG 55LN310  and Samsung both have 3D but it's not something that's particularly important to me, especially considering both only render 3D images at half 1080p resolution.  I basically picked the Sony because I thought it was at least on par or better than the others in terms of picture quality and because I love all things Sony. But if the PQ and motion blur is no better than the others I'll be returning it ASAP because it was the most expensive of the four.

 

I guess my question to the community at large is, should I keep the damn thing? If I can have a better TV for as much or less, that will settle it.  I'm just quite butthurt about the $250 premium over the US market that Sony is charging Canadians.  Seems like a giant croc of BS to me.... 

 

Any and all opinions/advice greatly appreciated.  

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Hey all, 

I just picked up the 48" W600B and have it sitting at home.  I was looking on here for some picture calibration settings and when I noticed that the set is a whopping $250 more in Canada vs the US I was shocked, and was even more perturbed to realize that the set is 60 hz rather than 120 hz which the Best Buy sales associate had told me it was.  I actually bought this set to replace my 51" Samsung F5500 which had amazing picture quality but I could not live with the excessive buzzing which was made worse by wall mounting.  I went with this set over a few LG LEDs (47LN5750, 50LN5750, and the 55LN5310) ) and a Samsung UN55FH6030FXZC LED - I know the LG 55LN310  and Samsung both have 3D but it's not something that's particularly important to me, especially considering both only render 3D images at half 1080p resolution.  I basically picked the Sony because I thought it was at least on par or better than the others in terms of picture quality and because I love all things Sony. But if the PQ and motion blur is no better than the others I'll be returning it ASAP because it was the most expensive of the four.

I guess my question to the community at large is, should I keep the damn thing? If I can have a better TV for as much or less, that will settle it.  I'm just quite butthurt about the $250 premium over the US market that Sony is charging Canadians.  Seems like a giant croc of BS to me.... 

Any and all opinions/advice greatly appreciated.  

I say keep it for a little while. I've had my 40' for a couple of weeks and I'm really happy with it. I use it as a computer monitor and have been gaming on it allot with PS3/4. The colors are pretty much spot on. Don't notice any input lag or motion blurring. You might want to return it to Best Buy and order through Sony direct. They gave me a 5% discount over the phone and I ordered it before it was in stores.
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Do you own Pacific Rim? That is my new torture test for any display. If you own a PS4 Infamous:Second son is my other. Both are killer for black levels,contrast and image depth/detail.

I don't have Pacific Rim but I'll post some better pictures from dark movies soon. Dark souls 2 is currently taking over my life right now. Just keep in mind this is a lower tier edge lit lcd. The blacks aren't anything special, but its good for what it is. Overall I do think the picture quality is very good for the price point.
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Thanks Otakunate.  I think I will keep it for a while.  Unfortunately I can't buy it elsewhere because I bought it with a gift card that the refund for my previous tv was put on... I'm just going to quit stressing over it and enjoy my new TV.  

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Yeah man enjoy it. I've tried out many tv's over the last few months and the 600b is very good. This is my secondary TV till the new models come out, then I'll get something bigger for my main set. I got a little impatient and tried the sharp 60q17u. Man what a piece of crap. Had the worst clouding I've ever seen. All colors on every mode were off. I pretty much hated everything about it.
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So I finally bought my TV and chose the w790b over the w600b. I was able to price match it with ncix.com at besbuy and get it for $1150 instead of the original price of $1300. Since the w600b is $900 here in Canada, I figured having 3D and a 120hz panel instead of a 60hz one for $250 more was worth it. Seeing it at the store, the tv looked great, image was clean, blacks were great and the picture was really smooth among the best from all the tvs there so I think I'll be really happy with it.

 

I'll finally be able to retire my old CRT which is like 10 years old lol, It's been long overdue. Unfortunately I'll have to wait till tuesday before using it since I'm waiting to receive my HD terminal so impressions will have to wait till then.

 

Looking forward to finally being able to experience true HD, especially with what looks like a pretty damn sweet set. :)

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I'm wondering if an 8 bit panel night have been better than the 6 bit +FRC panels...

Hmm. Can you please share the source that states the W600B is an 6-bit panel? The W800B then has an 8-bit panel?
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Good question . I Can't say about the KDL W800B it is likley also an AUO or LGD edge light cant say on the bit rate?.

This is a strong possibility of the panel type likely to be found in the W600B
http://www.panelook.com/T400HVN01.0%20CELL_AUO_40_CELL_parameter_21559.html

It is similar in spec to the exact rear LED Samsung panel in the KDLXX R450A except that the 2014 XXW600B are edge lit.

I can't remember the review that said AUO panels are used is in the W600B/W800B if I can find it I will post it in the meantime I will edit my above post accordingly. They are using different AUO panels though from what I have read at least.

Here is the exact panel in the 2013 KDL 40R450A from the service menu .
http://www.panelook.com/LSY400HM02-A01_SAMSUNG_40_CELL_overview_20138.html

The above 6 bit + high FRC panel used in the KDL 40R450A can display rec.709 color gamut accurately according to published calibration results of the KDL 40R4520A
The set I have has real good picture within it's price range although Some of the Samsung are brighter but may be slightly less detailed sometimes. .

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Adherence to the Rec. 709 standard. The KDL 40 R450A almost aced this test, matching the standard from point to point very closely. The TV faltered on its blue point, oversaturating the color just a little, but blue is the least perceptible to our human eyes—so this is a forgivable error. Red, green, and white are all pretty much spot on, making for one great-looking color gamut.
Can't say about the KDL W800B it is likley also an AUO or LGD edge light .
http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/sony-kdl-40r450a-led-tv-review/the-science



ofc the panel is the most expensive part and a logical place to reduce cost in the less expensive models . It seems many of the 2013/2014 lower price TV's 's (Including Sony) are using panels with fewer back lights (LED's ) while adequate are not as bright as they otherwise could be .

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FWIW, The KDL-50W800B went on sale with a $200 instant rebate making the price $999.  I purchased mine a couple of weeks ago from abt.com.  Their price is $998 with no tax and free shipping.

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Just picked up the 800b at that price. The picture quality really is fantastic. I thought it was a 4k initially.
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How do you like the picture on the The KDL-50W800B?

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How do you like the picture on the The KDL-50W800B?

I really love it. I have a Panasonic plasma as well, and obviously the blacks and color accuracy are not as good. However, I actually like the overall picture on the sony better. The pop is there and it something I do not get from the plasma. I literally am captivated by the picture quality. My local best buy had one on display that I could play around with before purchasing. I highly recommend it and it is easily the best $1000 I have spent on a tv.
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mounting this tv sucks. you can't use a normal wall mount. they have parts included and it doesn't look very well made or thought through.
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mounting this tv sucks. you can't use a normal wall mount. they have parts included and it doesn't look very well made or thought through.

Agreed. I did not even attempt to mount it. I have read many reviews suggesting the same.
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I just mounted mine yesterday. I actually got Sony to send me their VESA adapter for free. I would only recommend using the stand as a wall mount if you have wood walls, or if you mounted an oak board to your studs and attach your stand to that.
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How do you like the picture on the The KDL-50W800B?

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I really love it. I have a Panasonic plasma as well, and obviously the blacks and color accuracy are not as good. However, I actually like the overall picture on the sony better. The pop is there and it something I do not get from the plasma. I literally am captivated by the picture quality. My local best buy had one on display that I could play around with before purchasing. I highly recommend it and it is easily the best $1000 I have spent on a tv.

I have a Sammy plasma and 2013 Sony KDL 40R450A it has a rear back light LED /LCD Samsung SPVA panel very good picture all in all but like you said not as accurate colors or as deep blacks as the Plasma but pretty good better IMO than most LED/LCD that I've seen at it's price points including the 2013 E / M & 2014 E- b series Visios and the Sammie EH5300/5500 sets although the Sammie's were decent and a tad brighter at max .Visio's were pretty good also ,hard to beat the Sony color and detail though even if it might not be perfectly accurate .



The 40R450A back light while quite adequate could be a just little brighter at max though . I think on the lower priced back light sets sets they tend to use fewer LED's
The 800B is edge light ,3D and 120Hz panel ,maybe AUO MVA ?

Never know I might change the 40 R450A in the bedroom for a 50" in the near future (likely a Sony or maybe a Sammy) always like to keep an eye out.
Glad to hear you like the picture on your KDL 50W800B I'll have to get by B.B. and see them . I can always sell the Sony for close to what I paid for it (good deal) ,or keep it and sell the LG 42L5300 LG that's in another room .

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I just mounted mine yesterday. I actually got Sony to send me their VESA adapter for free. I would only recommend using the stand as a wall mount if you have wood walls, or if you mounted an oak board to your studs and attach your stand to that.

There is a VESA adapter?
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There is a VESA adapter?

Yes there's a VESA adapter. It's Sony part # 448584401. No way is the thing worth $40 but it works. If you go to abt.com they have pictures of it.
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I just picked up the 48w600 as my patio tv. I have a KDL55HX850 which is professionally calibrated as my main tv and must say the W600 set does not disappoint for the price.
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