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post #181 of 1128 Old 04-17-2014, 07:00 PM
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I want to buy the KDL-50W800B. I have to mount it on a standard Sanus articulating mounting bracket with VESA spacing. Can anyone post a picture showing the VESA adapter bracket (part #448584401) on the back of the TV? This would be greatly appreciated. Sony has been of no help.
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thanks jim w800b looks pretty nice

did you see what motionflow options there are or is it just on and off this year?
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I want to buy the KDL-50W800B. I have to mount it on a standard Sanus articulating mounting bracket with VESA spacing. Can anyone post a picture showing the VESA adapter bracket (part #448584401) on the back of the TV? This would be greatly appreciated. Sony has been of no help.

http://www.abt.com/product/78821/Sony-448584401.html

 

That link will show you pictures of the VESA adapter.  I mounted my 50W800B last weekend using the VESA adapter. The adapter sits flush with the step out that's on the bottom of the TV, so with the mount that I used I can fit a fist behind the screen, but the step out and the adapter sit flush with the mount.  So in total the screen is about ~4 inches from the wall.  I really don't mind it because it's close enough for my usage and I can access the side HDMI port if I wanted to quickly attach a device for whatever reason. If you want to see a picture of my side view (I'm not going to take the TV off the wall) I'll try and post some tomorrow.  Kinda hectic at my house right now with doing some remodeling.

 

Also, the instructions that come with the adapter are pointless.  I ended up hiding the power supply inside of the adapter before I attached it to the TV.

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Thanks, emjaycee18. The information is very helpful. Just so I understand, The adapter bracket is secured to the TV by just 2 screws? I guess that no matter how secure the wall mount bracket is attached to the adapter box, the TV is only being supported by 2 screws. I have an articulating arm. Do you think I might damage the TV when trying to move it on the arm?

Also, doesn't the placement of the adapter box above the step-out cause the VESA mount to be off-center, i.e., on the upper half of the TV?

Sony has been of no help. My local dealer says he can use "spacers and long screws" to use a VESA mount without the adapter. He does not instill confidence in this option. Also, that method completely blocks access to the rear panel connections.

True to their eccentric tradition, Sony has tried to re-invent the wheel...
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Yes the adapter only attaches to the TV using 2 screws (just so you know, if you used the stand as a mount it would have only attached using 2 screws).  The spacing of the mount is pretty close to on center (just by eyeballing), but if it's off it's on the high side.  If you broke the back panel down into approximate 3rd's the step out would be the bottom third, the adapter would be the 2nd, and then just the screen would be the top.

 

As for using an articulating mount with the adapter....I would feel just as comfortable using the 50W800B as I would be using the 55W800B (which is supposed to be VESA compatible out of the box) with an articulating mount.  To me it doesn't come down to the adapter, it comes down to how often and how careful you'll be moving a panel that is less than an inch thick.  It has the aluminum bezel and if you use two hand, I can't see it flexing to the point of damage.

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thanks jim w800b looks pretty nice

did you see what motionflow options there are or is it just on and off this year?

i'm not sure but i think it's pretty similar to last years settings but with like one new setting for motion flow BB was being stingy with their remotes that day lol, i couldn't get the remote for the Vizio E 50" as well.

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I just got the 42W700B, it uses this panel:
panel t420hvf06-0

from a quick google search, its an AUO MVA panel, but looks like it's only 60hz. I might return the TV because of this, I thought it was 120hz. Other than being 60hz, the TV seems fantastic, but being only 60hz is a deal breaker for me.

Just spoke to a Sony representative and it's a 60Hz panel.. Damn the marketing speak!

If you want to stay with a Sony in Canada and want a 120hz panel, your first choice is a W790B.
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So no one answered my questions about those 700 series are they for sale in Canada? Is it just an 800b with a European name lol? Or is it comparable to the 600b?

Because like i said it has the same build as the 800b, so in that case if it is comparable to the 600b and for the same price and available in Canada (taking power supply's into consideration)since Canada is the same as america when it comes to that, to think i have been doing this for awhile and i just found that out yesterday (that you can't plug in or use an European TV in America).

I'm desperate man to find a good panel for this price range that has good build quality,smart features,not a 42",and minuscule input lag. So desperate that i'm willing to return my 600b get the refund and purchase the 700b from Canada if that's possible lol.

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I have a 42" 700B, and I'm from Canada, however there are no motionflow settings, so I think it's only 60hz.
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I have a 42" 700B, and I'm from Canada, however there are no motionflow settings, so I think it's only 60hz.

Interesting so that means it is the 600b because the 800b is a native 120hz panel how much did you pay for it and is it available in 42",48",and 50"? i'm just basing that off of a European review i read.

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Oh and can you confirm that the 700 does look like the 800?

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Wow so i'm at the Sony store Canada website right now and holy **** their TV's are so much more expensive then the american models why? And why is there no 700b available in the U.S.? Will it be available in the U.S. at anytime?

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There like 200 hundred dollars more wow.

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Yah that's Canada for you ..
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I think the blame falls mainly to the Sony corporation and not the country .
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OK, this seems to be pretty mixed up.

Is the w600b 120Hz or not? I know what BestBuy's website states.
However, on Sony's website the TV is listed as having "Motionflow™ XR 240" and "24p True Cinema™ Technology". The second one, especially, would make it necessary for the panel to be 120Hz.

Also, any more observations on the display lag of both the w600b and the w800b? I might end up picking one or the other this weekend, but I haven't quite made up my mind.
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I was watching hockey last night on the 800b and there was a lot of stutter. I tried several different motion settings and could not get it smooth. I will keep playing with settings and update
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thanks jim w800b looks pretty nice

did you see what motionflow options there are or is it just on and off this year?

There is a motionflow setting and a cinemotion setting. I still think everything looks better with them off, but use the clear setting on sports
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I want to buy the KDL-50W800B. I have to mount it on a standard Sanus articulating mounting bracket with VESA spacing. Can anyone post a picture showing the VESA adapter bracket (part #448584401) on the back of the TV? This would be greatly appreciated. Sony has been of no help.

Here's a picture of my TV mounted. Hopefully this gives you enough detail to make a decision.
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Thanks again, emjaycee18. The picture is very helpful. It took me a minute until I realized that the big black rectangular object I was looking at was a bookcase in the background -lol. You know, Sony has made it very difficult to like this TV, but it gets great reviews and, at its current price, it might even be somewhat of a bargain. I hate the mounting problem.

I plan to use a soundbar, so I am looking for a good 50" TV that outputs 5.1 through its optical output. The KDL-50W800B is a good choice except for the VESA mounting problem. My other options:

  • Vizio M501d-A2R at $799
  • Last year's Sony KDL-50R550A at $949

Both get good reviews, Both have standard VESA mounting. What are the expert's opinions about these 2 TV's in comparison to the KDL-50W800B? Thanks!
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Thanks again, emjaycee18. The picture is very helpful. It took me a minute until I realized that the big black rectangular object I was looking at was a bookcase in the background -lol. You know, Sony has made it very difficult to like this TV, but it gets great reviews and, at its current price, it might even be somewhat of a bargain. I hate the mounting problem.

I plan to use a soundbar, so I am looking for a good 50" TV that outputs 5.1 through its optical output. The KDL-50W800B is a good choice except for the VESA mounting problem. My other options:

  • Vizio M501d-A2R at $799
  • Last year's Sony KDL-50R550A at $949

Both get good reviews, Both have standard VESA mounting. What are the expert's opinions about these 2 TV's in comparison to the KDL-50W800B? Thanks!

I had the vizio prior to the sony. The vizio is a good tv, but dark scenes are not that great. Also, the color accuracy is pretty poor. Vizio has had some weird updates lately that either messed up the remote or messed with the picture settings. If the Sony were still $1200 I would say get the vizio, but at only $200 more I would get the sony.
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Do you need the extra VESA adapter bracket to wall-mount the KDL-48W600B ?
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Sony 60W840B or 60W850B

Here is my few cents on the above. in 2010 I bought the Panasonic 42" plasma and Sony CCFL LCD 55” 55EX500. Gave the Panasonic to my son and wanted to buy a 60" TV. My first TV was the Samsung 60" UNF7050. Got it home, run tests and found a row of dead pixels in the upper right hand corner. Back to store and replaced it with Samsung UN60F6300. The price was right and I really wanted to like the TV, but after 4 days I could not live with it. My four year old Sony LCD would put it to shame . I could not dial the motion flow to my liking, either stutter or pure soap opera effect, now the colors were almost none adjustable. Clipping. The movie color was good but it had the dirty screen effect and no pop.
So back it went, and off to BestBuy were they got the 60W840B. Now, I've also checked the 850B and even though the 850B has the 480 motion flow it is still a 120hz native panel, the 840B is 240 motion flow and also 120hz panel, however the picture difference in my opinion is none but what I did not like is the black painted legs and frame finish. The 840B with the chrome mirror like finish looks far better.
Got the 840B and I must say it is a truly fine TV and unlike the Samsungs the motion flow is excellent and if you don't want to tweak anything you can just run it as on -Standard or Movie- and you will not complain one bit. Run all of my test disks, all pass. Screen uniformity surpassing my old Sony. No visible clouding, vertical or horizontal banding. no flashlights. Given this is Edge lit LED it is excellent.
PS4 gaming, well what can I say. My old Sony was good at 60ms and this TV is rated at 24ms, so no input lag to speak off. Black level also very good.
In past 40 years I've bought many different TV, projectors, big box rear projection etc. but this TV I am impressed with. Don't understand why would anyone want to buy a 4K TV while you can get this kind of quality for less than 1/2 price.
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Thanks tweaker 254. I feel much better about my 850 in route. I think they use diifferent screens though. Could you share your settings?
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Hi Andy
To be honest, first time for any TV I just don't need any tweaking. I did however changed the backlight to minimum for Standard settings -Cable-and also for Movie settings for I mostly watch the TV in dark a room. For my PS4 I use the standard game mode and backlight at 3 and if you're a gamer it is a treat. I've checked the Cnet movie settings and it's good however as I said the movie is excellent as is. I am sure you will love your TV as much as I do.
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For those in Canada, NCIX has the 50W790B on sale for $999.99. If you need it shipped, shipping is $9.99.

http://www.ncix.com/detail/sony-kdl50w790b-50in-3d-1080p-0a-94165-1070.htm
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Is it safe to assume the KDL-55W800B will be virtually identical to the KDL-50W800B? The reviews on the 50" version are really good, and I'm looking into the 55" version when it comes out in the middle of May.

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As long as they are using the same screen. It's likely that the internals will be the same.
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Is it safe to assume the KDL-55W800B will be virtually identical to the KDL-50W800B? The reviews on the 50" version are really good, and I'm looking into the 55" version when it comes out in the middle of May.

Sony's website has the 55800b up for preorder and the specs seem identical.
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OK, this seems to be pretty mixed up.

Is the w600b 120Hz or not? I know what BestBuy's website states.
However, on Sony's website the TV is listed as having "Motionflow™ XR 240" and "24p True Cinema™ Technology". The second one, especially, would make it necessary for the panel to be 120Hz.

Also, any more observations on the display lag of both the w600b and the w800b? I might end up picking one or the other this weekend, but I haven't quite made up my mind.

 

The 55W800B has "Motionflow XR 480" and is 120Hz, so that would lead me to believe that the W600B are only 60Hz.

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