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So what are we getting with "motion flow 480"? What advantage does it offer?
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So what are we getting with "motion flow 480"? What advantage does it offer?
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After a week (ish) with my Sony KDL42W700B I am returning it. Due to Sony's commitment to obfuscation it took some time to realize that I was paying a premium for antiquated technology. The 700B is a 60Hz panel, just like my six year old Sony 40" LED TV. The picture is good, but the so called "smart" features are clunky and difficult to use. Further, it can take multiple attempts to access the Home screen and the boot time is unacceptable. I was a loyal Sony customer, but no more. I just cannot justify paying a premium for a television that is clearly behind its competitors.

I won a new 55" Samsung H8000 television in a local auction for $1450. I'm not sure about the curved panel, but the features are outstanding and the preliminary reviews look very promising. It's unfortunate that I need to switch brands, but the price is right and the Samsung "smart" features are far easier to use.

Goodbye and good luck Sony.
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According to a UK review (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag), the 40" W605 has about twice as much input lag (29ms) as last year's 42" W653 (15ms). That's disappointing. Though it looks like different sizes of the same model may have different lag values: the 32" W653 has 33ms.

Any idea what's W585 (http://www.sony.lv/electronics/televisions/kdl-48w585b)?

BTW, do all of your 2014 models come with an external power brick that feeds in 19V DC?
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After a week (ish) with my Sony KDL42W700B I am returning it. Due to Sony's commitment to obfuscation it took some time to realize that I was paying a premium for antiquated technology. The 700B is a 60Hz panel, just like my six year old Sony 40" LED TV. The picture is good, but the so called "smart" features are clunky and difficult to use. Further, it can take multiple attempts to access the Home screen and the boot time is unacceptable. I was a loyal Sony customer, but no more. I just cannot justify paying a premium for a television that is clearly behind its competitors.

I won a new 55" Samsung H8000 television in a local auction for $1450. I'm not sure about the curved panel, but the features are outstanding and the preliminary reviews look very promising. It's unfortunate that I need to switch brands, but the price is right and the Samsung "smart" features are far easier to use.

Goodbye and good luck Sony.

I returned my 42W700B yesterday, and exchanged it for a 50W790B (50W800B in US) I also did it because the 700B was only 60hz. I am soo happy with the 50W790B, it has amazing picture quality, and a 120hz panel (motionflow options show up in the menu).
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Hello. I was going to purchase a w900a. Unfortunately I cannot find any new ones around. Will I be sacrificing/settling if I go for a w800b, or should I keep looking. Thanks
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Hello. I was going to purchase a w900a. Unfortunately I cannot find any new ones around. Will I be sacrificing/settling if I go for a w800b, or should I keep looking. Thanks

I have the w900a and to me the w800b looks great. For the price id say its a great tv. Of course the w900a looks better though.
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The 40 and 48 inch W600B models are available now at Costco canada online . Will check to see if they are in a local bricks and mortar in Richmond BC .
Update : they are not in local bricks and mortar.
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One difference I see between the W585 and W605 is a different stand. This is based on the Quick Reference: http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/4528749111.pdf

Does anyone know where to find a full PDF manual for the W605? In the Sony sites I found nothing but a simplified online manual, and a 2 page Reference Guide in Italian: http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/4528782511.pdf

The US site does have a W580 / W590 / W600 manual, but no mention of the differences: https://docs.sony.com/release/KDL48W600B_W590B_W580B_40W600B_W590B_W580B.pdf
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Hello. I was going to purchase a w900a. Unfortunately I cannot find any new ones around. Will I be sacrificing/settling if I go for a w800b, or should I keep looking. Thanks


The W800B is a good tv but as good as the W900A? No. But for the price you cant go wrong with the W800B.
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Hi
Has anyone purchased the Bravia wireless subwoofer that works with this TV?
I cant find it on sale anywhere.
Its says the transceiver is included with the TV, but must be installed, I didn't see anything like that in the package.

This is for a bedroom setup and I was wondering if anyone has heard it yet with the TV speakers and Subwoofer? Thinking aboiut going that router rather than a sound bar.

thanks
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Can anyone comment on using Motionflow Impulse with Game Mode on a 60fps game? Is there any ghosting or artefacts (apart from the flickering)?

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So has there been any substantial comparison made between the 2013 W802a series and the 2014 W800B series?  I've been eying the 55" Sonys since 2013, though I passed on the W900a (mostly due to price - though I know it is an amazing LED-LCD) and know the W950B is not reviewing well.  That leaves me juggling the W802a before its out of production or opting for the W800b once its available.

 

Any one have any comparison information, either from personal sources or professional?  Thanks!

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I know it happens infrequently, but there is still a lot of SD content on TV (old movies and channels that don't have HD content yet). Can anyone comment about the SD content (non-DVD) on the 48" W600B or the 50" W800B?
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I know it happens infrequently, but there is still a lot of SD content on TV (old movies and channels that don't have HD content yet). Can anyone comment about the SD content (non-DVD) on the 48" W600B or the 50" W800B?


We have been watching some OLD star trek shows - the original series . They look fine on the W600B 48 " . We are really enjoying the picture on the Bravia . 

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Does anyone have calibration settings for the KDL50W800B?  I bought one at Best Buy this week after my panasonic plasma died on me.  The picture looks good, but definitely needs to be tweaked.  Thanks in advance

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The biggest thing you can do is turn off any ECO modes and Auto screen dimming features.
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Does anyone have calibration settings for the KDL50W800B? I bought one at Best Buy this week after my panasonic plasma died on me. The picture looks good, but definitely needs to be tweaked. Thanks in advance


Not calibrated but ball park maybe ?

Turning off the eco modes for sure ( power saving /light sensor ) makes a big difference Like Andy says. Try Standard picture mode in picture settings + Cinema scene select in Options menu (most accurate colors without over saturation ) then crank up the back light and picture/contrast to max in cinema mode , Try color saturation between 50 60 same for brightness, 55 is a good starter for both ,Hue/Tint at 0 + or - 5 ,Turn motion smoothing OFF or no higher than standard. Cine select at auto.

Other important settings are in the screen menu , set 4:3 default off, Auto Display Area OFF most important Display area to Full Pixel or 1:1 do this for all inputs if you run into under scan (not likely ) try Auto or +1....,. If this is off even by a small amount it can cut your resolution in half! Same thing when you stretch a picture with zoom settings .

Turn off LED motion/frame dimming ,Set sharpness maybe 12 -17 contrary to popular wisdom and most other sets for some reason Sony's seem to like some sharpness if you end up with too much edge enhancement back it down to 5-7 ,Usually MPEG and Noise reduction OFF , Color Temp Neutral is a good place to start see what you like . This should get you in the ball park . All inputs will need to be set .

A white ambient light (5000-6500K ) behind the TV reflecting off the wall is great inexpensive contrast enhancer ! I prefer 5000K
once you use one you will see it makes a good set even better !

Don't be disappointed if the 800B doesn't quite match your plasma P.Q. that's a tall order for any LED/LCD set but otherwise the 800B is very good.

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You're very welcome. I was going nuts trying to get the detail I was seeing in person, but just couldn't capture it. It really made me say "I can't believe this effin' TV was $500...". You're going to get the same detail with the W800B, the only big difference was the refresh rate (which I CAN't STAND the soap opera effect) and 3D.

 

Hi can you post your video settings for your KDL-40W600B

 

or can anyone post their video settings for this TV. Mine will be coming next week, just purchased it online here in the Philippines.

 

Thanks

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I just got the 70w850b about 2 weeks ago from best buy.
They price matched the frys price at the time for $1799 and I'm pretty happy with my purchase.
Seems like a decent upgrade over my old 55" wega that was about 8 years old and had to replace the bulb on 3 times.
I've let my son play some gta and minecraft on the 70" and It seems to do just fine for video games.
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I have been waiting and waiting yet Sony has not released the price for the XBR-49X850B. I also noticed that its only an XR motion of 240 instead of 480. Dose this mean its only a 60hz display?

I will more than likely be purchasing the KDL-50W800B. But I am a little disappointed in it. The active 3D doesn't bother me much I just wish they would have supplied four glasses instead of just two. The fact that its a 120hz instead of 240hz dose not completely turn me off. I wish it was 240hz even though I would probably never need it the way the industry is going. BUT, I really really wanted TRILUMINOS display.

 

Has anyone used the USB recording feature yet? How is it? I would love to get a video on how it works.

 

Dose anyone think Sony will ever give use a W900A replacement?

 

Also, what dose everyone think of the LG 47LA7400? Its really the only other TV I would consider right now. I am DONE with Samsung.

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I have been waiting and waiting yet Sony has not released the price for the XBR-49X850B. I also noticed that its only an XR motion of 240 instead of 480. Dose this mean its only a 60hz display?
I will more than likely be purchasing the KDL-50W800B. But I am a little disappointed in it. The active 3D doesn't bother me much I just wish they would have supplied four glasses instead of just two. The fact that its a 120hz instead of 240hz dose not completely turn me off. I wish it was 240hz even though I would probably never need it the way the industry is going. BUT, I really really wanted TRILUMINOS display.
The other thing to consider about the XBR-49X850B is that you don't get local dimming.
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I have been waiting and waiting yet Sony has not released the price for the XBR-49X850B. I also noticed that its only an XR motion of 240 instead of 480. Dose this mean its only a 60hz display?
I will more than likely be purchasing the KDL-50W800B. But I am a little disappointed in it. The active 3D doesn't bother me much I just wish they would have supplied four glasses instead of just two. The fact that its a 120hz instead of 240hz dose not completely turn me off. I wish it was 240hz even though I would probably never need it the way the industry is going. BUT, I really really wanted TRILUMINOS display.

Has anyone used the USB recording feature yet? How is it? I would love to get a video on how it works.

Dose anyone think Sony will ever give use a W900A replacement?

Also, what dose everyone think of the LG 47LA7400? Its really the only other TV I would consider right now. I am DONE with Samsung.

It actually seems like most of the companies are just listing TVs at 120hz this year w/ the added motion improvements.
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Saw the 50W800B at Fry's tonight. Excellent blacks sold me. I'll be getting the 55 as soon as it's available. The 50 is only $898 at Fry's right now for anyone shopping.
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For anyone wondering, I just found out why the new w800b series has such great picture quality. Both the 50" and 55" use the same PSA panel that was used in the w900a. So in essence you are getting the w900a, minus the quantum dots. This tv is a steal at the current price, and I am sure it is only going to get cheaper.
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For anyone wondering, I just found out why the new w800b series has such great picture quality. Both the 50" and 55" use the same PSA panel that was used in the w900a. So in essence you are getting the w900a, minus the quantum dots. This tv is a steal at the current price, and I am sure it is only going to get cheaper.

Well at least Sony was smart enough to use the same panel they used on the W900A and incorporated it into the W800B. Unlike what they did with the W950 which for all intense and purposes was a bad move on their part and is currently blowing up in their faces. Good job this time by Sony. They got it right this time by sticking with what works. And the price right now on Sony's site is $ 999.99? That's on heck of a steal if you ask me. But I was checking the specs on the W800 and no where does it say Triluminous. What they didn't include that with this model? If that's correct it surprise me.
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Well at least Sony was smart enough to use the same panel they used on the W900A and incorporated it into the W800B. Unlike what they did with the W950 which for all intense and purposes was a bad move on their part and is currently blowing up in their faces. Good job this time by Sony. They got it right this time by sticking with what works. And the price right now on Sony's site is $ 999.99? That's on heck of a steal if you ask me. But I was checking the specs on the W800 and no where does it say Triluminous. What they didn't include that with this model? If that's correct it surprise me.

Probably price. They do not start offering Triluminous until their more expensive displays.
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I'm guessing a CNET review is not far away.  They recently reviewed the Samsung UNH6350 and had some comparisons to the W800B series:

 

http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-un32h6350/2/

 

Principally it concerned me that they noted the Samsung to have better performing blacks than the Sony, which even then they were not too excited for the Samsung black level performance.  Color comparisons and motion smoothing were also mentioned, with the W800B seemingly slightly behind.  Considering these two TVs are nearly in the same pricing and features category, I'm awaiting a formal review to help my decision making.  Granted, the W800B has reviewed well on rtings.com and http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/, so we'll see.

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Saw the 50W800B at Fry's tonight. Excellent blacks sold me. I'll be getting the 55 as soon as it's available. The 50 is only $898 at Fry's right now for anyone shopping.

Thanks for this tip, Naylia. BestBuy refunded me $110 via their low price matching.
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Looks like no 55W800B until Juneish. BHP is expecting their delivery June 2 according to their website, and the guy at our Best Buy's Magnolia also said he was expecting early June frown.gif
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