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post #241 of 740 Old 05-08-2014, 08:59 PM
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would you guys test input lag on this TV's (W600B,W800B,W850B)? I'm googling it for more than one week already and still couldn't find any useful information.

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I actually asked the same question to someone from Cnet. He said they have already tested the W800B and the lag was 23ms.

Sounds like they are actually working on updating there input lag tests with the 2014 models. I do not know if they are using the same method and device from the previous year however.

 

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The UK version of the 50W800B tested at 22ms - http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl50w829b-201403023650.htm

For the 800B series googling on W829B gives you an astonishing number of reviews compared to W800B. The Brits are way more on their game getting reviews out than NA is.
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I was watching hockey last night on the 800b and there was a lot of stutter. I tried several different motion settings and could not get it smooth. I will keep playing with settings and update


Did you happen to find a solution to fix the stutter? I recently bought the KDL50W800b as well and everything I watch TV, Netflix app, PS4 games all have stutter and the motion settings are not fixing anything.

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Did you happen to find a solution to fix the stutter? I recently bought the KDL50W800b as well and everything I watch TV, Netflix app, PS4 games all have stutter and the motion settings are not fixing anything.

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Thank You for the response. Looks like I am calling Amazon on Monday to send it back for a replacement. If they can't replace it in a timely manner I will just return it and look for something else. Which sucks because this TV has a beautiful picture and the input lag for gaming is great, but the stuttering kills it.

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Thank You for the response. Looks like I am calling Amazon on Monday to send it back for a replacement. If they can't replace it in a timely manner I will just return it and look for something else. Which sucks because this TV has a beautiful picture and the input lag for gaming is great, but the stuttering kills it.

Agreed. I had to go back to a plasma.
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Well, I picked up the 50W800B today. I managed to get it for $850 at Best Buy. I think I got a good deal.

 

Some things I have noticed however, 1: the active 3D glasses are none rechargeable and have a 100 hour life span supposedly. Which mean you can only expect to be able to watch about 33 movies with them. Making the 3D feature completely and underlying useless to me now. And 2: the UI is horrible. Completely unintuitive. So I doubt I will really be using the Smart features at all now. : /

 

Now where dose that leave the TV?

 

I am looking at this TV as simply a great picture set. The blacks do look nice. The TV has a fairly low input lag "Great for gaming" and has a nice native 120hz panel.

 

Right now I am trying to decide if its worth keeping. I have 14 days to decide. The real problem here is if I don't keep this set I don't really think there is another I would also want in this price range.

 

I was really close to buying the Samsung Hu8550 "I swore I was done with Samsung but the set looks very nice." I actually almost laughed at the guy when he said the Samsung has a input lag of 1 ms he than redacted and said 6 ms. I find that very hard to believe as-well.

 

Ultimately, I went with the W800B because of the price and the fact that a few years down the road I may be able to buy a OLED set. No point in spending $2,200 on a TV I might only be able to have to 3-4 years. When OLED gets down to the $2,000 price point I will be buying one regardless.

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What would be better for gaming W800B or sharp 60LE650U? Also picture.
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The UK version of the 50W800B tested at 22ms - http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kdl50w829b-201403023650.htm

For the 800B series googling on W829B gives you an astonishing number of reviews compared to W800B. The Brits are way more on their game getting reviews out than NA is.

Also many of the UK reviews are well written and published with test results/measurements only a few US reviews are AFAIK?
Of the US reviews the Cnet full reviews are as good as any I've seen and offer comparisons of similar sets .

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Has anyone been able to find a good comparison of last year's 32 inch 650a with this year's 40 inch w600b? They are both priced at 499 but can't find a good comparison of panels or subjective view testing.

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I just picked up a Sony KDL-50W800B from Fry's last week for $895. Fry's, as of 5/12, is showing the price as $1399. Are these recent price reductions temporary? I have mine already, so I am not really worried about it.

Anyway, I finally got around to reading up on calibrating the TV, and I figured I would post my settings if anyone else wants to give them a try.

The results were achieved using the AVS Blu-ray Calibration disk, an X-rite Eye-one Display 2 sensor (has not been calibrated since new), HCFR Colorimeter v2.1 Software, and a Sony PS3. The only light in the room was sunlight coming from behind closed blinds. All other lights were turned off.

I started with all factory settings and made the adjustments to HDMI-1. The factory Cinema 1 picture mode settings I started with were actually not far off the final results.

Changes made:

Picture Mode: Cinema 1 - turns off most enhancements by default.
Picture (Contrast) 91, was 90
Brightness (Black Level) 51, was 50
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That is it except I also changed Motion Flow to Clear based on recommendations on HDTVtest for setting up a Sony KDL55W905A.

I will post the before and after HCFR graphs and readings later.
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LeDelmo,

 

How did you get the W800B for $850 dollars at Best Buy? What is the story behind that?

 

Furthermore, I am deciding between the W600B and the W800B and want to mount my TV to the wall. However, I don't have any experience mounting a TV. Can anybody recommend a company for that?

 

Would you purchase the TV directly from Sony or go to a retailer?

 

Thanks a lot for your advice...

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LeDelmo,

How did you get the W800B for $850 dollars at Best Buy? What is the story behind that?

Furthermore, I am deciding between the W600B and the W800B and want to mount my TV to the wall. However, I don't have any experience mounting a TV. Can anybody recommend a company for that?

Would you purchase the TV directly from Sony or go to a retailer?

Thanks a lot for your advice...

They work with you on prices. You just have to get the right sales person. I have not paid the sticker price for a tv in probably 6 or 7 years.
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Well, I picked up the 50W800B today. I managed to get it for $850 at Best Buy. I think I got a good deal.

Some things I have noticed however, 1: the active 3D glasses are none rechargeable and have a 100 hour life span supposedly. Which mean you can only expect to be able to watch about 33 movies with them. Making the 3D feature completely and underlying useless to me now. And 2: the UI is horrible. Completely unintuitive. So I doubt I will really be using the Smart features at all now. : /

Now where dose that leave the TV?

I am looking at this TV as simply a great picture set. The blacks do look nice. The TV has a fairly low input lag "Great for gaming" and has a nice native 120hz panel.

Right now I am trying to decide if its worth keeping. I have 14 days to decide. The real problem here is if I don't keep this set I don't really think there is another I would also want in this price range.

I was really close to buying the Samsung Hu8550 "I swore I was done with Samsung but the set looks very nice." I actually almost laughed at the guy when he said the Samsung has a input lag of 1 ms he than redacted and said 6 ms. I find that very hard to believe as-well.

Ultimately, I went with the W800B because of the price and the fact that a few years down the road I may be able to buy a OLED set. No point in spending $2,200 on a TV I might only be able to have to 3-4 years. When OLED gets down to the $2,000 price point I will

Did you know you can replace the batteries ? You can buy 20 packs for less than $10. The batteries are hardly a reason to declare the 3D useless hahaha.

There is no Samsung tv with a sub 20ms input lag. He might have been thinking about response time, even at that , I'm sure he pulled that number out of his you know what.
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Hi guys, I know I'm new as I just joined now.. but I have a small question

 

I've to choose between a 60" W850B, and last year 70R550A...

 

Both are excellent TV's thought I only saw the 70R550A personally...

 

I know the W850 is newer and considered to be better even by it's class compared to the R550 series, but the larger size of the R550, + the passive 3D made me wondering... specially the 3D active vs. passive thing

 

AFAIK, active 3D are good if implemented well, if not then it's a head ache, passive 3D are good, not that bad, and not better than Active 3D but they just work...

 

the R550 has the passive 3D

the W850b has Active 3D

 

I only saw few reviews about W850B and some are saying that the 3D is bad, a lot of flickering and ghosting... the problem is I can't see good review for it...

 

 

So how do you guys feels about it ( specially owners ), I'm sure that I'll take a visit to the dealer to see it in action but the deal I have now is limited and the 70R550 will soon be replaced by the 70W850B which will be much more expensive...

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Did you know you can replace the batteries ? You can buy 20 packs for less than $10. The batteries are hardly a reason to declare the 3D useless hahaha.

There is no Samsung tv with a sub 20ms input lag. He might have been thinking about response time, even at that , I'm sure he pulled that number out of his you know what.

I actually like batteries better than the rechargeable glasses. They last longer between battery changes. The rechargble ones seem to last a movie or 2. The batteries last about 150 hours.
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Hi guys, I know I'm new as I just joined now.. but I have a small question

I've to choose between a 60" W850B, and last year 70R550A...

Both are excellent TV's thought I only saw the 70R550A personally...

I know the W850 is newer and considered to be better even by it's class compared to the R550 series, but the larger size of the R550, + the passive 3D made me wondering... specially the 3D active vs. passive thing

AFAIK, active 3D are good if implemented well, if not then it's a head ache, passive 3D are good, not that bad, and not better than Active 3D but they just work...

the R550 has the passive 3D
the W850b has Active 3D

I only saw few reviews about W850B and some are saying that the 3D is bad, a lot of flickering and ghosting... the problem is I can't see good review for it...


So how do you guys feels about it ( specially owners ), I'm sure that I'll take a visit to the dealer to see it in action but the deal I have now is limited and the 70R550 will soon be replaced by the 70W850B which will be much more expensive...
I have had both. To me if you gonna do alot of 3d viewing go for R550A which way superior thsn the 850B. If you gonna do a lot of 2d content the 850B is better once you have it calibrated. I hate my 850B cause the 3d sucks. I watch a lot of 3d content with the kid, and both my oldest agree thst the R550A was better for that. My old Samsung 3d tv's are way way better on the 3d side. Hope that helps you somewhat.
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Just got my 60W850b and its beautiful , any picture calibrations yet?
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will try those thanks! and also how do i wall mount this i see those tiny fitting that come with it but will they hold such a heavy tv?
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will try those thanks! and also how do i wall mount this i see those tiny fitting that come with it but will they hold such a heavy tv?
My 70" holding fine, I thought the same thing when I seen them lol
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I was going back and forth between the 48w600b and the 50w800b. I ended up going with the 48w600b. I get 10% off the Sony web store, so the difference was $584 vs $899. The non-standard VESA mount part for the 50w800b would cost an additional $40. The TV is replacing a (approx 8 year old) 32" Samsung 720p 60hz, I saved the $$, was concerned about the non-standard mount and some of the issues people were saying with the sound cutting out on the 50w800b, and went with the 48w600b. It arrives Monday, so I'll update everyone after that.
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I was going back and forth between the 48w600b and the 50w800b. I ended up going with the 48w600b. I get 10% off the Sony web store, so the difference was $584 vs $899. The non-standard VESA mount part for the 50w800b would cost an additional $40. The TV is replacing a (approx 8 year old) 32" Samsung 720p 60hz, I saved the $$, was concerned about the non-standard mount and some of the issues people were saying with the sound cutting out on the 50w800b, and went with the 48w600b. It arrives Monday, so I'll update everyone after that.

I believe the big difference is the 600b is only 60hz
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Picked up the 55W800B today, extremely happy with it so far. I haven't really configured it that much yet. I was watching some hockey, and I ended up liking the picture best by just leaving it on standard, and turning off pretty much every setting.

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Does anyone of the W800B owners have a new remote control RMF-ED004?

 

If so, do I really need this or is it just a waste of money?

 

Thx for your answers. Cheers from Croatia! :)

 

 

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would you guys test input lag on this TV's (W600B,W800B,W850B)? I'm googling it for more than one week already and still couldn't find any useful information.

Leo Bodnar (spelling) at a couple uk sites is measuring 22 or 23 ms. Just google on W829B and you get plenty of well done reviews.
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Picked up the 55W800B today, extremely happy with it so far. I haven't really configured it that much yet. I was watching some hockey, and I ended up liking the picture best by just leaving it on standard, and turning off pretty much every setting.

Where did you find a 55" ?
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would you guys test input lag on this TV's (W600B,W800B,W850B)? I'm googling it for more than one week already and still couldn't find any useful information.
Leo Bodnar (spelling) at a couple uk sites is measuring 22 or 23 ms. Just google on W829B and you get plenty of well done reviews.
29ms for the 40" W605B. And all reviews around are for the 40" and not the 48", so no info on how much that one lags.
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