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What 2014 displays are you most looking forward to this year. I can say without a doubt Vizio's P-series is a game changer, if they deliver on their promise. I am also looking forward to the Samsung curved H8000, (flat) H7150. Since we are only a few weeks away from Sharp new Quattron Q+ displays should be an interesting experiment.
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That's a big if. I think most of us are hoping the p series is a great set though.
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Really looking forward to LG's TVs with WebOS. Anyone have any word on their lineup for this year?

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I'm hoping we'll get a few products with Dolby Vision by the end of the year.

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Unlike last years CES where I came out knowing exactly what I wanted (Samsung F8000), this year has left me a little overwhelmed. The UHD resolution standards are set in stone but there are other aspects that are not yet decided (like color standards and HDR). The 2013 model UHD TVs can easily get updated to support HDMI 2.0. However, supporting HDR or new color standards cannot be achieved by just a simple firmware update. That said, from the moment CES ended, I have been trying to get as much info as possible on:

1. Samsung HU9000 / HU8500

2. Vizio Reference Series

3. Sony X900b

They all seem like great TV's but each one offers important features that the others don't. The Samsung HU9000 comes with a curved screen, a new color engine that is estimated to reach 70-80% of the new Rec. 2020 standard and a really nice simple design that would look good in any room but it has no HDR tech at all. The Vizio offers true back lit local dimming, a 10 bit panel that like the HU9000 is estimated to reach 80%of the Rec. 2020 color standard and Dolby HDR support. However, the Vizio needs supported content to take advantage of the Dolby HDR, and Vizio's build quality is not up to the same standards as Sony or Samsung. The Sony has a different type of HDR tech that can be used with any content but I'm not a fan of the side speakers and there is no word on if the Sony can get close to Rec. 2020.

I only buy a TV every 5 years or so and I like them to be as "future proof" as possible. Life would be much easier if Samsung released an HU9000 with HDR support or if Sony released a X900b without the side speakers.

I really want to get a TV this year but I may end up waiting for the 2015 TV's.
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However, the Vizio needs supported content to take advantage of the Dolby HDR, and Vizio's build quality is not up to the same standards as Sony or Samsung. The Sony has a different type of HDR tech that can be used with any content ...
But, unlike Sony's HDR, the Vizio's HDR cannot be used with legacy content? How do you reach that conclusion?

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But, unlike Sony's HDR, the Vizio's HDR cannot be used with legacy content? How do you reach that conclusion?

IVizio is working with studios to release remastered versions of movies with HDR support. During CES there was a couple articles that specifically said the Vizio required content made for Dolby HDR to work. Other articles were not specific and out content requirement but it would be nice if it does work with any content.

As for the Sony, they specifically said in interviews and press releases that their HDR system will work with anything on screen. However, I can't imagine it working very well without content specifily made with HDR in mind.

Either way, it would have been nice to have more 2014 TVs that support some type of HDR.
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Personally I am most looking forward to the Sony 65" Flagship XBR-65X950B. I am hoping it becomes available in late April and is in my price range. My 4 year old Samsung 63" Plasma is dying a slow and painful color banding death and I can't wait to kick it to the curb.
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Really looking forward to LG's TVs with WebOS. Anyone have any word on their lineup for this year?
Besides a few unspecified announcements at CES (curved and OLED) the only discussed mid-high displays was the WebOS powered LB7200.
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Unlike last years CES where I came out knowing exactly what I wanted (Samsung F8000), this year has left me a little overwhelmed. The UHD resolution standards are set in stone but there are other aspects that are not yet decided (like color standards and HDR). The 2013 model UHD TVs can easily get updated to support HDMI 2.0. However, supporting HDR or new color standards cannot be achieved by just a simple firmware update. That said, from the moment CES ended, I have been trying to get as much info as possible on:

1. Samsung HU9000 / HU8500

2. Vizio Reference Series

3. Sony X900b

They all seem like great TV's but each one offers important features that the others don't. The Samsung HU9000 comes with a curved screen, a new color engine that is estimated to reach 70-80% of the new Rec. 2020 standard and a really nice simple design that would look good in any room but it has no HDR tech at all. The Vizio offers true back lit local dimming, a 10 bit panel that like the HU9000 is estimated to reach 80%of the Rec. 2020 color standard and Dolby HDR support. However, the Vizio needs supported content to take advantage of the Dolby HDR, and Vizio's build quality is not up to the same standards as Sony or Samsung. The Sony has a different type of HDR tech that can be used with any content but I'm not a fan of the side speakers and there is no word on if the Sony can get close to Rec. 2020.

I only buy a TV every 5 years or so and I like them to be as "future proof" as possible. Life would be much easier if Samsung released an HU9000 with HDR support or if Sony released a X900b without the side speakers.

I really want to get a TV this year but I may end up waiting for the 2015 TV's.
Many professional are predicting that the main stream saturation of 4k won't be for another 5-7 years, which is about the same as blu-ray and 1080p. If the industry holds to this pattern 4k HDR and a new higher storage medium (blu-ray 2.0?) will be the new standard,just in time for 8K-12K.
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Personally I am most looking forward to the Sony 65" Flagship XBR-65X950B. I am hoping it becomes available in late April and is in my price range. My 4 year old Samsung 63" Plasma is dying a slow and painful color banding death and I can't wait to kick it to the curb.

Rumor mill is around July for the 950B.

I am looking forward to comparing the Vizio R series and 65" Flagship XBR-65X950B, myself. One of those two will hit my wall smile.gif
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I'm not in the market for a new TV, but I'm very curious about the LG UB9800 series. I believe the 98" model will be the largest passive-3D, flat-panel display available to date. I'm also interested what the pricing will be like for the entire lineup.
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I'm not in the market for a new TV, but I'm very curious about the LG UB9800 series. I believe the 98" model will be the largest passive-3D, flat-panel display available to date. I'm also interested what the pricing will be like for the entire lineup.
Safe guesstimate would be $24k,since the 84" from 2013 was $17k.
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The new 40" Sony coming out in March caught my eye. I'm curious if Sony runs the same kind of panel lottery Samsung does though.
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I also am interested in that low end sony(kdl-40W600B) . It seems on the surface to be a very large upgrade from last year's KDL-R450A .
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I also am interested in that low end sony(kdl-40W600B) . It seems on the surface to be a very large upgrade from last year's KDL-R450A .
I am interested in the w800b and w850b, but am kinda disappointed that neither offer dynamic edge with local dimming
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I'm curious to see the price on the 79 inch Sony XBR. Probably way too expensive, but I want one!
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I'm curious to see the price on the 79 inch Sony XBR. Probably way too expensive, but I want one!
Talked to Samsung rep today and her told me that the 110" UHD with an MSRP of $150,000 will retail for $125,000. You can buy the screen without the frame stand,but it strictly be a monitor. It will include an in house consultation from Samsung for construction purposes, so you can properly reinforce the wall for mounting.
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Talked to Samsung rep today and her told me that the 110" UHD with an MSRP of $150,000 will retail for $125,000. You can buy the screen without the frame stand,but it strictly be a monitor. It will include an in house consultation from Samsung for construction purposes, so you can properly reinforce the wall for mounting.
Wow, great deal. Love talking about $125,000 TV's. If someone can afford $125,000 TV they can probably also afford to pay MSRP. They are not looking on slickdeals for sales.
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Talked to Samsung rep today and her told me that the 110" UHD with an MSRP of $150,000 will retail for $125,000. You can buy the screen without the frame stand, but it strictly be a monitor. It will include an in house consultation from Samsung for construction purposes, so you can properly reinforce the wall for mounting.

Well, with that as a datapoint, if the 120" Vizio Reference Series does in fact ship before the end of the year, I expect it to be a relative bargain in comparison...

110% of the diagonal for ~33% of the price... (my prediction on MSRP, though I don't expect it to actually ship in 2014)

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Essentially, the Samsung is not a "product" in a conventional sense, but a special-order item. And the idea of it being "discounted" is pretty silly. It has one price.

If Vizio produces a product, it will be offered in a similar manner: As a custom-order item. There is no chance it is going to be $40,000. I'm sorry.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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I was anticipating the Vizio sets till I found out no 3D. That was a let down as Vizio stole the thunder with some extra 4k tech that made the other manufacturers take notice. I'm glad for Vizio as the competition in the price and tech war needed some stimulation. But that left me not having any anticipation at this time. I'm pretty sure the other sets that were under consideration will be much higher than the Vizio's so for now I'm just waiting around for something to shake.
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I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how the Vizio P-Series performs, but perhaps more-so I'm excited about StreamTV's Ultra-D (glasses-free 3D) market debut. I really hope those are priced aggressively enough.
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Unlike last years CES where I came out knowing exactly what I wanted (Samsung F8000), this year has left me a little overwhelmed. The UHD resolution standards are set in stone but there are other aspects that are not yet decided (like color standards and HDR). The 2013 model UHD TVs can easily get updated to support HDMI 2.0. However, supporting HDR or new color standards cannot be achieved by just a simple firmware update. That said, from the moment CES ended, I have been trying to get as much info as possible on:

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2. Vizio Reference Series

3. Sony X900b

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I only buy a TV every 5 years or so and I like them to be as "future proof" as possible. Life would be much easier if Samsung released an HU9000 with HDR support or if Sony released a X900b without the side speakers.

I really want to get a TV this year but I may end up waiting for the 2015 TV's.

I've been searching for information on the HU8500 as well, but haven't found much.
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I've been searching for information on the HU8500 as well, but haven't found much.

Yeah, Samsung has been extremely tight lipped about their 2014 TVs (especially the 4K models). It sounds like it will be a great TV though. Samsung is using a new color engine that will produce 80% of the new Rec. 2020 standard and they are also improving the local dimming tech for better contrast.

I'm looking forward to seeing how it compares to the Vizio Reference.
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I'm also really looking forward to the new 40" Sony W600B for the bedroom. Was very close to buying last year's 32" W650A, but the new 600B looks like the same thing plus 8" for less money. A solid, direct-LED set with X-Reality Pro, XR240 (60Hz?), 4 HDMI, and wi-fi seems like a great value.

The new FALD sets from Vizio, Sony, and Toshiba seemed most interesting to me.

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Im looking forward to x950b 65" as worthy replacement to my HX950 and hopefully they fixed the vertical banding problems this SONY 65" sets have i doubt it since even x900a have them.
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I've been searching for information on the HU8500 as well, but haven't found much.
I started this thread after speaking with the Samsung rep this week.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1514941/had-a-2-hour-conversation-with-samsung-rep-my-brain-hurts#post_24289558
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Not sure how accurate this is, but the latest Game Informer had a small section on CES. In that section they said that the curved Samsung HU9000 would retail for $4499 for the 65". Again, I'm not sure how accurate that is but if it's true, that is much less than I was anticipating.
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Not sure how accurate this is, but the latest Game Informer had a small section on CES. In that section they said that the curved Samsung HU9000 would retail for $4499 for the 65". Again, I'm not sure how accurate that is but if it's true, that is much less than I was anticipating.
Would not be out of the realm of possibility. The Samsung rep said that they would competitively priced and the premium paid would be much less than you would think.
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