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post #31 of 40 Old 04-25-2014, 03:18 PM
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According to the manual for the 60 inch it is only 350 Nit (http://store.vizio.com/documents/downloads/hdtv/M602iB3/UM_M602iB3.pdf)

I'm guessing the 65-70 will be the same?
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According to the manual for the 60 inch it is only 350 Nit (http://store.vizio.com/documents/downloads/hdtv/M602iB3/UM_M602iB3.pdf)

I'm guessing the 65-70 will be the same?

I'm unable to follow your link.

I'm also unable to discover the manual for the 60" or 65" on Vizio's website - can you explain how/where you found the 60" manual?

350 Nit on the 60" would be a bit of a bummer (basically the same brightness as the 2013 M Series) but just speaks to the fact that in today's market, each panel size of a Series is essentially a completely different TV.
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I'm unable to follow your link.

I'm also unable to discover the manual for the 60" or 65" on Vizio's website - can you explain how/where you found the 60" manual?

350 Nit on the 60" would be a bit of a bummer (basically the same brightness as the 2013 M Series) but just speaks to the fact that in today's market, each panel size of a Series is essentially a completely different TV.

I was browsing on http://www.avsforum.com/t/1510136/2014-vizio-thread-all-models/2130 and someone posted a couple links throughout page 72 to manuals they found while snooping VIzios page.

I took another look at the posts on page 72; it looks like the B3 model is 350 Nit but the B2 models are indeed 400 Nit like you stated.
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I'm unable to follow your link.

I'm also unable to discover the manual for the 60" or 65" on Vizio's website - can you explain how/where you found the 60" manual?

350 Nit on the 60" would be a bit of a bummer (basically the same brightness as the 2013 M Series) but just speaks to the fact that in today's market, each panel size of a Series is essentially a completely different TV.

I was browsing on http://www.avsforum.com/t/1510136/2014-vizio-thread-all-models/2130 and someone posted a couple links throughout page 72 to manuals they found while snooping VIzios page.

I took another look at the posts on page 72; it looks like the B3 model is 350 Nit but the B2 models are indeed 400 Nit like you stated.

OK, thanks. Looks like I'm having some problem with Explorer, but I was able to follow the links with Chrome. Still curious how the original poster found those links, since I can only find the links to the M322i-B1 and the M422i-B1 based on what is available on Vizio's website (the two 2014 M-Series models now visible when you 'View All M-Series Models').

The 60" and the 65" appear to be not directly findable. Especially interesting on the 60" when you see that the specs for Weight and Power Consumption are both 'TBD' (I would not be holding my breath for the 60" biggrin.gif).

I have the suspicion that the Bx translates into the TV manufacturer. So far what we have is:

B1: M322i, M422i 350 Nit backlight, Manufacturer #1? (appear to be the first two panel sizes available)

B2: M492i, M552i, M652i 400 Nit backlight, Manufacturer #2? (at least the 65" appears to be the next panel size available)

B3: M602i 350 Nit backlight, Manufacturer #3? (appears to be the least mature since weight and power consumption are still 'TBD')

Still unknown: M502i, M702i

M801i appears to be refresh of the 2013 edge-lit model without 3D, so unlikely there will be anything new on that this year

Based on spec, the 49" 55" and 65" panels all seem to be slightly superior to the 32", 42" and 60"...
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The links were found by substituting the models numbers in the URL from the manuals that are available.
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The links were found by substituting the models numbers in the URL from the manuals that are available.


Wow, that practically constitutes corporate espionage, doesn't it biggrin.gif

We AVSers are a tricky and ingenious bunch, aren't we wink.gif

But that would certainly explain the link to the half-baked user manual for the M602i, wouldn't it?
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Haha. I have a folder of bookmarks for the potential product pages and manuals for the 70" M and a few others. I check them everyday. One of these days I won't see the page error.

Example... http://store.vizio.com/mseries/m702ib3.html
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The links were found by substituting the models numbers in the URL from the manuals that are available.


Wow, that practically constitutes corporate espionage, doesn't it biggrin.gif

We AVSers are a tricky and ingenious bunch, aren't we wink.gif

But that would certainly explain the link to the half-baked user manual for the M602i, wouldn't it?
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Three ways to increase contrast ratios:
1. Increase white level (brightness),
2. Decrease black level,
3. Both of the above,
4. Fudge the numbers by the usual, creative marketing ploys.

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Three ways to increase contrast ratios:
1. Increase white level (brightness),
2. Decrease black level,
3. Both of the above,
4. Fudge the numbers by the usual, creative marketing ploys.

For an LCD panel operating in native mode, increasing white level alone will not increase CR. White level needs to increase without increasing black level (which is not possible in native mode). With local dimming or the way they measure against an all-dark screen, there is all sort of 'creative' (or dishonest) marketing fudgifying going on, but in terms of true CR, I would restate your first three options as follows:

1. Increase white level (brightness) without increasing black level
2. Decrease black level without decreasing brightness
3. Both of the above,

LCD panels have an intrinsic CR of 3000:1 or so in the best case (and IPS are closer to 1000:1), so any time you see CRs in the million-to-one and above category, it is meaningless.

In those cases, the best way to interpret CR is 'brightest panel output with backlight level set to max' divided by 'some dark level we have measured such as minimum backlight level with all-dark panel'

If the backlight was set to OFF (no light output), the result would be infinite CR (which they would be embarrassed about), so it is probably something like the dimmist backlight output with an all-black LCD.

If that is right, a 1,000,000:1 CR would translate to 'brightest output' divided by 'dimmest output / native CR' and for an IPS panel with 1000:1 native CR, that would mean that the dimmest panel output is about 1000th of the brightest panel output.

To make anything meaningful of these numbers, we basically have to wait for an outfit like HDTVTEST to actually measure effective CR in a meaningful and objective way.

The higher CR spec for the P hopefully means that the backlight is brighter, but if the M is 400 Nit, there is not way the P is 2.5X that bright (1000 Nit) so there is probably some difference in dark level as well, possibly tied to the increased number of dimming zones on the P.
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was it ever confirmed that the m series has a 24fps mode
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