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Reset the TV.
ugh, was hoping to avoid that since i lose my calibration. I have owned the TV for a week, and had already done that once.
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A new update is out. Version 1150.
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Didnt say what it updated.my youtube app is much faster loading. I wonder if it didnt polish some apps up.

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ugh, was hoping to avoid that since i lose my calibration. I have owned the TV for a week, and had already done that once.
Try unplugging for a while. Probably won't help.
These apps can bug out and it is a PITA do reset the whole TV. It is too bad the hub reset won't fix these app bugs.

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This was posted yesterday on the HDGuru site. Seems too good to be true.

"Check out the new savings on Samsung’s 50-inch HU8550 series model and the debut of Samsung’s 85-inch flat screen UHD 4K model. Unlike the smaller Samsung HU8550 screens which are edge-lit, the UN85HU8550 (according to our sources), uses direct LED backlights with local dimming. This puts it up against the soon to be released $25,000 Sony XBR85X950B"
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8550 had an update today too

This firmware is for TV Model(s): LED HU8500/8550
The version is 2143.1
This firmware update will improve the following:

- Improved usability

- Improved stability

- Improved usability of input devices

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8550 had an update today too

This firmware is for TV Model(s): LED HU8500/8550
The version is 2143.1
This firmware update will improve the following:

- Improved usability

- Improved stability

- Improved usability of input devices
Awesome I didnt see a log. It says my uhd updated too.
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This was posted yesterday on the HDGuru site. Seems too good to be true.

"Check out the new savings on Samsung’s 50-inch HU8550 series model and the debut of Samsung’s 85-inch flat screen UHD 4K model. Unlike the smaller Samsung HU8550 screens which are edge-lit, the UN85HU8550 (according to our sources), uses direct LED backlights with local dimming. This puts it up against the soon to be released $25,000 Sony XBR85X950B"
I don't see how that is possible at its 10k price-point, but perhaps it is using panel tech from last year's S9 with the goodies from this year? You're right, it does seem too good to be true, but since sammy does have a local dimming set from last year, it COULD be true.
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I don't see how that is possible at its 10k price-point, but perhaps it is using panel tech from last year's S9 with the goodies from this year? You're right, it does seem too good to be true, but since sammy does have a local dimming set from last year, it COULD be true.
This is the reply I received when I asked who their sources were
"Industry sources that are in a position to know. Due to the news not yet being “officially” announced by Samsung, we can not reveal specific sources.

HD Guru"

I asked yesterday if this is true if a set this size is full array for 10k, then it is an absolutely great deal considering the 40k s9 that's confirmed to be full array. I don't see the 85hu8550 actually being FALD, but it would be quite the surprise.

On another note reading the amazon reviews about the 149k 110" is quite hilarious.
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if true it almost makes me slightly regret buying the 9000... only b/c it proves that high-end FALD can be affordable (I'm glossing over vizio, since they still haven't proven they can produce a premium quality display).

Stop tempting me!! You're like the 3rd person in the last few days to report this... so it really is worth investigating.
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I don't visit HD Guru typically. What's their reputation?

It would seem like such a bizarre move on Samsung's part to sneak in a FALD display in an edge-lit model line, and at 25% the price point of their previous 85" FALD.
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UN55HU8550 hookup question

I'm fairly new to this and have a tenuous (at best) knowledge of the technology, so I'm hoping some of you might be able to give me some guidance. We're redoing our family room and getting a UN55HU8550 as part of the process. My old setup had an HDMI cable from the HDTV to the receiver. All the components (TiVO, Roku, etc.) were plugged into the receiver's HDMI ports. I'm wondering if I should keep the same setup with the new TV or if I should plug everything directly into the TV and just use HDMI (with ARC) to send all the audio to the receiver. The wall is open now and since this will be wall mounted, I figure now is a good time to make this decision.

Any thoughts? Thanks!
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I have no regrets on my 65hu9000. The blacks are ink. I have a FALD 1080p set and it's not ant darker for me.

That being said 85" FALD. Damn.
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This was posted yesterday on the HDGuru site. Seems too good to be true.

"Check out the new savings on Samsung’s 50-inch HU8550 series model and the debut of Samsung’s 85-inch flat screen UHD 4K model. Unlike the smaller Samsung HU8550 screens which are edge-lit, the UN85HU8550 (according to our sources), uses direct LED backlights with local dimming. This puts it up against the soon to be released $25,000 Sony XBR85X950B"
I still find that hard to believe and suspect that Gary was confused by Samsung's, sometimes vague, terminology. How would Samsung expect to sell any of their $40,000 FALD sets of the same size, when they have one for 25% of that price?

Logic dictates there is something wrong here.
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I don't visit HD Guru typically. What's their reputation?

It would seem like such a bizarre move on Samsung's part to sneak in a FALD display in an edge-lit model line, and at 25% the price point of their previous 85" FALD.
It's an ok site they calibrate the sets during reviews and post the cms chart,but never post the actual settings. Although from what I've seen again in the review the mention the 85 is supposed to be FALD they're possibly confident in their sources, this is the second mention of it. If it's less than the 40k model maybe it doesn't have as many zones as the s9, would explain the lower price.

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I still find that hard to believe and suspect that Gary was confused by Samsung's, sometimes vague, terminology. How would Samsung expect to sell any of their $40,000 FALD sets of the same size, when they have one for 25% of that price?

Logic dictates there is something wrong here.
I agree. "If it's too good to be true, it probably is," right?

But I would like to see it definitively debunked, or less likely verified.

Wasn't JVC allegedly coming out with an 85" FALD in the sub-$10K range? Or was that proven not to be true either? It definitely as reported back in January.
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Well, if true, that display would rocket to the top of my shortlist!
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Hard to believe there isn't any hard proof for the type of lighting the 85" is when it's already available.
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Hard to believe there isn't any hard proof for the type of lighting the 85" is when it's already available.
Has anyone purchased one yet?
The guy who did the review is Robert Heron from hd nation, techzilla, and I guess this site. He and the other guy he cohost with we're in fact at ces and are usually not wrong from what I've seen, but were all human at this point I don't see any possible way to debunk it except getting the information from the source or getting your hands on the actual set.

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Hard to believe there isn't any hard proof for the type of lighting the 85" is when it's already available.
They seem pretty new to market. BB just got the display in with the week and it doesn't even show up on their website yet.

Anyway, I want to take another look at it so I may prioritize the 25 minute trek to that store again later tonight or this week.

Any suggestions on a specific test I can do that would clearly define -- not just subjective impression -- whether the lighting is edge or direct? I can bring along my Spears & Munsil disc or download something to a flash drive if necessary. I'm not aware of a definitive test slide for this. Of course I will look for tale-tell signs like uniformity on a black screen, flash lighting, etc.
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I'm fairly new to this and have a tenuous (at best) knowledge of the technology, so I'm hoping some of you might be able to give me some guidance. We're redoing our family room and getting a UN55HU8550 as part of the process. My old setup had an HDMI cable from the HDTV to the receiver. All the components (TiVO, Roku, etc.) were plugged into the receiver's HDMI ports. I'm wondering if I should keep the same setup with the new TV or if I should plug everything directly into the TV and just use HDMI (with ARC) to send all the audio to the receiver. The wall is open now and since this will be wall mounted, I figure now is a good time to make this decision.

Any thoughts? Thanks!
I would keep your setup with everything plugged into the receiver and then run the HDMI ARC out from the Receiver to the TVs ARC port (HDMI 4) for Smart Hub Apps sound to run back to the receiver. The reason I say that is ARC and Optical Sound have limitations beyond Dolby Digital plus and DTS 5.1. And even beyond that if you had to use PCM on your TV it only outputs 2 channel audio. Your receiver is likely better designed to handle a multitude of audio packages. Now if your devices will only ever output 5.1 Dolby or DTS then it kind of doesn't matter where you plug them in; I just prefer my receiver handles all of my audio that it can. I definitely would never run a Bluray player through the TV then back to the receiver.

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8550 had an update today too

This firmware is for TV Model(s): LED HU8500/8550
The version is 2143.1
This firmware update will improve the following:

- Improved usability

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- Improved usability of input devices

Aren't those the exact same patch notes as the last update?

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Another reply from hdguru hope this information helps
When we get the official word we’ll publish it. As for the number of zones, Samsung (like Sony) will not provide that specification. According to a source, it has the same number zones as the 65-inch 8550. Samsung calls it direct lit rather than full array. The S9 has more zones, but heck it’s $40K.

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Aren't those the exact same patch notes as the last update?
Yup. All my experiences with Samsung firmware updates are the same; They update the notes for the first few firmware updates and then they just get lazy with it and only change the number unless it is a huge fix or feature add.

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I would keep your setup with everything plugged into the receiver and then run the HDMI ARC out from the Receiver to the TVs ARC port (HDMI 4) for Smart Hub Apps sound to run back to the receiver. The reason I say that is ARC and Optical Sound have limitations beyond Dolby Digital plus and DTS 5.1. And even beyond that if you had to use PCM on your TV it only outputs 2 channel audio. Your receiver is likely better designed to handle a multitude of audio packages. Now if your devices will only ever output 5.1 Dolby or DTS then it kind of doesn't matter where you plug them in; I just prefer my receiver handles all of my audio that it can. I definitely would never run a Bluray player through the TV then back to the receiver.
Since it is wall mounted, I would also suggest connecting an optical cable too just in case ARC gets flaky.
I may have fixed my ARC flakyness yesterday. Too soon to tell.

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Another reply from hdguru hope this information helps
When we get the official word we’ll publish it. As for the number of zones, Samsung (like Sony) will not provide that specification. According to a source, it has the same number zones as the 65-inch 8550. Samsung calls it direct lit rather than full array. The S9 has more zones, but heck it’s $40K.

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This makes no sense at all. Same number of zones as the 65" 8550? How could you say that when the 65" is edge lit? So does that mean they'll spread the zones out across the entire display? This "source" sounds like they don't know what they're talking about... or, they don't know how to relay information coherently.

I'm very skeptical.
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Since it is wall mounted, I would also suggest connecting an optical cable too just in case ARC gets flaky.
I may have fixed my ARC flakyness yesterday. Too soon to tell.

Good call indeed. My F9000 on my older receiver, a Denon 2313ci, connected via ARC works pretty well but it flakes every now and then. In order to fix it I turn everything off, unplug the TV and receiver for 10 minutes, and then power everything back up and it all works again. With my HU8550 and my Denon S900W, ARC has worked perfectly with no hiccups...... and now that I have said that it will flake on me tonight

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When we get the official word we’ll publish it. As for the number of zones, Samsung (like Sony) will not provide that specification. According to a source, it has the same number zones as the 65-inch 8550. Samsung calls it direct lit rather than full array. The S9 has more zones, but heck it’s $40K.

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OK, that's totally absurd. The 8550 is not a FALD, but rather an edge lit display. So how could it have the same number of 'zones'? Samsung is always loosey goosey with their terminology.

Nah, this new 85" is an edge lit display. As we said, too good to be true.
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This makes no sense at all. Same number of zones as the 65" 8550? How could you say that when the 65" is edge lit? So does that mean they'll spread the zones out across the entire display? This "source" sounds like they don't know what they're talking about... or, they don't know how to relay information coherently.

I'm very skeptical.
He's probably refering to the set just having UHD dimming while the s9 has micro dimming ultimate with precision black. I'm not familiar with samsungs dimming tech but I assume it just means the s9 has more dimmable zones compared to the 8550.
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Good call indeed. My F9000 on my older receiver, a Denon 2313ci, connected via ARC works pretty well but it flakes every now and then. In order to fix it I turn everything off, unplug the TV and receiver for 10 minutes, and then power everything back up and it all works again. With my HU8550 and my Denon S900W, ARC has worked perfectly with no hiccups...... and now that I have said that it will flake on me tonight
I lost all sound on my 3312 yesterday on any input. Didn't try net radio. Tried unplugging, nada. Was going to do a reset, but I went into options and turned off HDMI control. Fixt. Don't know what caused it. I havn't changed anything lately. But ARC is working now.
Also, I was getting no sound on the apps through optical the other day. Might have had something to do with this HDMI control. I am leaving it off for now. I don't need it.

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