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This may have been asked before, but I am planning to get the 75" or 85" 8550, where would be the best place to get it from? I am looking for good return policy (just in case), good price match/refund policy and lower price (+no state tax would be great, I'm in CA).

1. Amazon: Good return policy, 14 day price match/refund but state tax, default pricing
2. Samsung: $500 less than Amazon (thru my employer's employee purchase program with Samsung), but state tax and shipping fee
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Best buy and Sears have been the best places for me in the past.
14 to 30 days return policy with no restocking fees.. but your generally posting highest price for this, but it's worth it to me
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They made the new one more attractive to someone looking to purchase the pak. It would be nice if it was possible to download the new stuff on the free one.
There was a rumor way back when that the 2nd hard drive Sammy was going to release in the Summer would have the ability to download more content. I wonder if this is that rumored drive? Interestingly Crutchfield has it listed under 4K players (which likely means nothing).

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I just checked again with Amazon because that was not my experience and they confirmed I have 30 days return, no-fault, and that I would NOT incur any return shipping charges regardless of the reason for the return.
Great I paid restocking fees and return freight on two smaller items, what the heck

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the review from chad comming up is for the 8550??

Also whats the best authorized dealer that sales tax free for florida?
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Kind of defeats the purpose of Calibrators if you can just go online and get that info. $400 calibration and people always want it for free.
I guess I thought that was the purpose of a forum - to share ideas that help others get the most out of their equipment.
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the review from chad comming up is for the 8550??

Also whats the best authorized dealer that sales tax free for florida?
He already reviewed the 8550. The HU9000 is the one he is working on now.

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He already reviewed the 8550. The HU9000 is the one he is working on now.
I looked at that page linked earlier and cant find his review.. Can you link the actual review of the 8550? thxs
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I guess I thought that was the purpose of a forum - to share ideas that help others get the most out of their equipment.
Yes and no. Usually the settings floating around forums for a particular TV are from a pro review like CNET or they are from someone who does the calibration themselves. Maybe they have some of the equipment but they aren't a professional and they don't do it for a living. On the other side of that are the users who have paid good money to have their sets calibrated by a professional. Why should they share their settings for free? Some might, others won't. In other cases the users are actually professionals with all the training, certification, equipment, etc who make a living doing work like calibrating TVs. They can't give that away for free nor should they be expected to. I hear what you are saying and agree that this is a place to share ideas and get help, but there are limits.

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I looked at that page linked earlier and cant find his review.. Can you link the actual review of the 8550? thxs
4K analysis By Chad B presented by CP : 65X900B VS 65X950B VS 65UB9800 VS UN65HU8550

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I should be getting my UHD pack soon. Can someone tell what the resolution is?

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I received my HUD pack last evening and watched two of the documentaries (Grand Canyon and Cappadocia), and one full-feature film (World War Z). Of the two documentaries, the Grand Canyon documentary was the most outstanding visually. Both documentaries, and World War Z reported screen resolutions of 3840x2160 if I remember correctly. World War Z was in Dolby Digital 5.1.

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All of the UHD features we watched had lip sync issues. My Samsung is connected to my Yamaha amplifier using an optical toslink connection. The way we solved this was to go into the sound menu of the set and set the sound delay to zero "0" I believe the default setting for the delay is set at a higher number. I'm not sure if adjusting this setting for content from the UHD pack means I will have to reset it for other signal sources such as OTA or DTV.

The other issue is not really an issue but a matter of perception. These UHD pack features truely show off the resolution power of this set and are spectacular in and of themselves. But what you really begin to realize is that this set's upconversion of 2K signals to 4K is very, very impressive. We have watched several BD features on this set and the picture quality was just outstanding. Unless you have really good vision, its hard to tell the difference (at least for me) from the upconverted 2K material and the native 4K material. Maybe because of my age and visual acuity I don't see that much of a difference, but there you have it. In any event, its truly worth it to get the UHD pack as it really demos the capability of the set to resolve very fine detail.
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I received my HUD pack last evening and watched two of the documentaries (Grand Canyon and Cappadocia), and one full-feature film (World War Z). Of the two documentaries, the Grand Canyon documentary was the most outstanding visually. Both documentaries, and World War Z reported screen resolutions of 3840x2160 if I remember correctly. World War Z was in Dolby Digital 5.1.

Beware of several issues that can crop using the UHD pack, at least issues we encountered.

All of the UHD features we watched had lip sync issues. My Samsung is connected to my Yamaha amplifier using an optical toslink connection. The way we solved this was to go into the sound menu of the set and set the sound delay to zero "0" I believe the default setting for the delay is set at a higher number. I'm not sure if adjusting this setting for content from the UHD pack means I will have to reset it for other signal sources such as OTA or DTV.

The other issue is not really an issue but a matter of perception. These UHD pack features truely show off the resolution power of this set and are spectacular in and of themselves. But what you really begin to realize is that this set's upconversion of 2K signals to 4K is very, very impressive. We have watched several BD features on this set and the picture quality was just outstanding. Unless you have really good vision, its hard to tell the difference (at least for me) from the upconverted 2K material and the native 4K material. Maybe because of my age and visual acuity I don't see that much of a difference, but there you have it. In any event, its truly worth it to get the UHD pack as it really demos the capability of the set to resolve very fine detail.
Thank you very much for the info!!
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Yes and no. Usually the settings floating around forums for a particular TV are from a pro review like CNET or they are from someone who does the calibration themselves. Maybe they have some of the equipment but they aren't a professional and they don't do it for a living. On the other side of that are the users who have paid good money to have their sets calibrated by a professional. Why should they share their settings for free? Some might, others won't. In other cases the users are actually professionals with all the training, certification, equipment, etc who make a living doing work like calibrating TVs. They can't give that away for free nor should they be expected to. I hear what you are saying and agree that this is a place to share ideas and get help, but there are limits.
Then maybe a few of us should pitch in and get my set calibrated (or some one else's ) and we will share the settings to all My set doesn't need calibration though (or so I think). It looks perfect as it is but I will always try somethings else...
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4K analysis By Chad B presented by CP : 65X900B VS 65X950B VS 65UB9800 VS UN65HU8550

It is in this thread somewhere. It is only 16 pages but I can't recall what page it is on. Just scroll through and look for posts from Chad B, don't worry about the content from anyone else.
Here: It's post #2350 OFFICIAL Samsung 4k HU8550 and HU9000 thread
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Yes and no. Usually the settings floating around forums for a particular TV are from a pro review like CNET or they are from someone who does the calibration themselves. Maybe they have some of the equipment but they aren't a professional and they don't do it for a living. On the other side of that are the users who have paid good money to have their sets calibrated by a professional. Why should they share their settings for free? Some might, others won't. In other cases the users are actually professionals with all the training, certification, equipment, etc who make a living doing work like calibrating TVs. They can't give that away for free nor should they be expected to. I hear what you are saying and agree that this is a place to share ideas and get help, but there are limits.
In that case then when someone has a problem with the likes of netflix or the smart functions or the networking functions, anyone who trained in IT do not provide any help. You paid £1000's for your education, don't share that knowledge as there are limits.
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In that case then when someone has a problem with the likes of netflix or the smart functions or the networking functions, anyone who trained in IT do not provide any help. You paid £1000's for your education, don't share that knowledge as there are limits.
Wow insult people much.
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I received my HUD pack last evening and watched two of the documentaries (Grand Canyon and Cappadocia), and one full-feature film (World War Z). Of the two documentaries, the Grand Canyon documentary was the most outstanding visually. Both documentaries, and World War Z reported screen resolutions of 3840x2160 if I remember correctly. World War Z was in Dolby Digital 5.1.

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The other issue is not really an issue but a matter of perception. These UHD pack features truely show off the resolution power of this set and are spectacular in and of themselves. But what you really begin to realize is that this set's upconversion of 2K signals to 4K is very, very impressive. We have watched several BD features on this set and the picture quality was just outstanding. Unless you have really good vision, its hard to tell the difference (at least for me) from the upconverted 2K material and the native 4K material. Maybe because of my age and visual acuity I don't see that much of a difference, but there you have it. In any event, its truly worth it to get the UHD pack as it really demos the capability of the set to resolve very fine detail.
I agree I had to watch the same video on two different screens and then in uhd to see the difference. The up scaling is fantastic. Especially if blur is set to 10 an judder between 3-5.
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Oops, I thought it was in the other thread. Thanks for that!

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In that case then when someone has a problem with the likes of netflix or the smart functions or the networking functions, anyone who trained in IT do not provide any help. You paid £1000's for your education, don't share that knowledge as there are limits.
That is not at all what I said. Those are completely different things. Sigh.

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That is not at all what I said. Those are completely different things. Sigh.

I agree it's not the same but the mindset is similar. It's fine, everyone is entitled to keep their own settings to themselves just very odd compared to other threads I've been in. If I end up getting mine calibrated I'll be happy to share to help others out[emoji106]

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I agree it's not the same but the mindset is similar. It's fine, everyone is entitled to keep their own settings to themselves just very odd compared to other threads I've been in. If I end up getting mine calibrated I'll be happy to share to help others out[emoji106]

I appreciate all you guys contributing to this thread with advice and troubleshooting. Much appreciated!

Most calibrators get their customers from boards like this. If you were a calibrator, would you like to have your work shared for free ? C'mon man, at least in this country we still praise an honest job.

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I agree it's not the same but the mindset is similar. It's fine, everyone is entitled to keep their own settings to themselves just very odd compared to other threads I've been in. If I end up getting mine calibrated I'll be happy to share to help others out[emoji106]

I appreciate all you guys contributing to this thread with advice and troubleshooting. Much appreciated!
I have been on this forum for 14 years and read a whole lot of threads. And I do not agree it is common in the other threads for people to publish the picture settings done by third party professional calibrators. There are plenty of people who share their own personal settings and even a few amateur calibrators out there who own the right equipment and readily share their settings. Also, people re-post the calibrated settings they get from various review sites that publish their settings. All that is common. What's not common is when someone breaks the explicit or implicit agreement they have with a third party by sharing their paid work product with others. I've seen it happen but it's just not the norm. It's disrespectful and unethical to the professional who sold that work product and makes their living off it. I recall when I had a previous plasma calibrated and I posted the Calman results -- not the settings -- and got inundated with requests for the picture settings. I emailed the calibrator and asked if he minded my sharing them. He did, so I didn't. Most do mind -- perhaps some don't but they would be in the minority.

So out of curiosity, you're saying if you pay a calibrator in the future you will share their work product even over their objections? Do you at least plan to tell them in advance of them agreeing to do the work that you plan to publicly share all their settings so they at least know what they are signing up with when they take your job?

The crux of the issue is respect for the calibrator. I doubt anyone is withholding their settings because they paid for them and don't want to share -- they are merely respecting the professional who supplied them.
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Most calibrators get their customers from boards like this. If you were a calibrator, would you like to have your work shared for free ? C'mon man, at least in this country we still praise an honest job.
Yeah, but don't calibrators tweak other other stuff in service menu? So, just adjusting your set to other user's settings won't rend the same result right? In that case it should be all good, just not as good.
I mean, if a calibration comes up to only adjusting your picture settings within the TV menu then what is the point of paying $400 when I can adjust the settings to what my eyes enjoy better. Just saying...

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Most calibrators get their customers from boards like this. If you were a calibrator, would you like to have your work shared for free ? C'mon man, at least in this country we still praise an honest job.

Honestly, I was referring to more of the amateur calibrators who I guess have no problem sharing their discoveries. In my opinion if you decide to pay someone then you're paying for your calibrations and they are free for you to do with what you want. No two tvs or viewing situations are going to be alike.

I respect what you guys are saying and I guess i wasn't familiar with so many people using professionals but I assure you in some of the other threads like the eh6000 there are plenty of people sharing their settings. Like I said though I respect this forum and people's jobs so if on the higher end models it's considered disrespectful then I will avoid that. Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers but it was one of the things i love about these threads. I hate movie mode but with enough tweaks to other people's standard modes it always made me a happy customer.
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Yeah, but don't calibrators tweak other other stuff in service menu? So, just adjusting your set to other user's settings won't rend the same result right? In that case it should be all good, just not as good.
I mean, if a calibration comes up to only adjusting your picture settings within the TV menu then what is the point of paying $400 when I can adjust the settings to what my eyes enjoy better. Just saying...
Many professional calibrations no longer require accessing the service menu. It used to be you need to use the service menu to get to whatever the nearest equivalent of a CMS was for a set. These days, if they offer a CMS, it's probably accessible from the consumer-navigatable menus.

If you've ever attempted to do a full calibration you would know why it's still worth using a professional. It's no different than re-doing your bathroom or kitchen -- technically you could do it yourself with the right tools, but the results might not be the same. Mine sure wouldn't be. Same with pro calibrations. First, you need their tools. Some calibration results aren't accomplished by "eye-balling" it -- they require sensitive equipment which measures light from the set. Second, you need to have a sense for how one adjustment impacts another (and know when to keep going back to the previous settings to re-test and tweak after subsequent setting adjustments), and how to get a setting where you want it to be by affecting the gain, offset, hue, saturation, etc. of each color. I've spend a couple hours self-calibrating sets using the Spears & Munsil disc and slides. It made an improvement but it's not even in the same league as my truly calibrated set. And I couldn't get their without their instruments and, if you hire a good one, years of experience and instinct. The CMS in my set has 6 categories for each of 6 colors with settings of -100 to +100 each. And each of those is also impacted by the 11-point gamma setting (all available without the service menu). Do you know how each of those work to get the right color balance? There's a guy in one of the other topics who bought the calman disc and the instruments calibrators used and started self-teaching himself, then decided to take an entire extended course to get a better understanding how to use everything correctly. And still that would make him a pro-novice. I'm not suggesting it's rocket science, but it's certainly far, far more involved than hitting +/- on "color" "sharpness" "brightness" etc.
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Honestly, I was referring to more of the amateur calibrators who I guess have no problem sharing their discoveries. In my opinion if you decide to pay someone then you're paying for your calibrations and they are free for you to do with what you want. No two tvs or viewing situations are going to be alike.

I respect what you guys are saying and I guess i wasn't familiar with so many people using professionals but I assure you in some of the other threads like the eh6000 there are plenty of people sharing their settings. Like I said though I respect this forum and people's jobs so if on the higher end models it's considered disrespectful then I will avoid that. Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers but it was one of the things i love about these threads. I hate movie mode but with enough tweaks to other people's standard modes it always made me a happy customer.
The eh6000 has been around for a long time. If you're referring to amateur settings, I guarantee you there will be plenty of people posting their settings for these sets over time. We're in the early days of people getting them. The way these topics evolve is early on it's more people shopping for a set following and posting questions and speculation in topics for multiple models. We are in that phase for these models. Then it evolves into more of a true owners thread where people who already have it share info -- some of that's happening now, but more will come.

Also, even when people call it an "OFFICIAL" topic it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can say that. In this case, there are at LEAST 3 official HU9000 topics . I know for certain I have read shared settings by at least one person in the most active HU9000-specific topic, possibly more.

In fact, it's really odd that these two totally different model lines are sharing a topic at all. I use it because it's the closest thing to an established topic for the 8550 line. But it's not the first place to go for HU9000 news. And there just aren't that many HU8550 owners yet.

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The eh6000 has been around for a long time. If you're referring to amateur settings, I guarantee you there will be plenty of people posting their settings for these sets over time. We're in the early days of people getting them. The way these topics evolve is early on it's more people shopping for a set following and posting questions and speculation in topics for multiple models. We are in that phase for these models. Then it evolves into more of a true owners thread where people who already have it share info -- some of that's happening now, but more will come.

Also, even when people call it an "OFFICIAL" topic it doesn't mean anything. Anyone can say that. In this case, there are at LEAST 3 official HU9000 topics and this is not even close to the most active. I know for certain I have read shared settings by at least one person in the most active HU9000 topic, possibly more.

In fact, it's really odd that these two totally different model lines are sharing a topic at all. I use it because it's the closest thing to an established topic for the 8550 line. But it's not the first place to go for HU9000 news. And there just aren't that many HU8550 owners yet.

That's fair and I appreciate what you guys are saying. The post previous detailing all the work that goes into professional calibrations is exactly why I thought it was ok to share settings because so much more goes into actually dialing in your settings perfectly.

You're right though, the eh6000 has been around a lot longer and while I bought it fairly new it was a much more common set and had a lot of people who owned it. Appreciate you guys being patient with us newbies who are still learning adequate.
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Finally got a reply for the UHD Movie pak (waited a whole week, yeah I got impatient ). Being sent now should be here in a week or two.

Also about getting my TV professionally calibrated, where is the best place to find Calibrators? Best buy? HHgregg Etc...or goto a higher end audio/video shop.?
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Wow insult people much.
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Sorry if this has already been discussed. I browsed back a few weeks and didn't see it mentioned. I bought my 65" 8500 from Costco on 7/27 when they had the $200 instant rebate (net $3279.99). So today I happened to be in Costco and walked down the TV aisle with the 8500 and was surprised to see that there is now a $500 instant rebate. I went home and got my receipt and took it to the customer service counter and got a $300 + tax refund!
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