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my 85 has nothing like that with the same "no signal" scene

Do you have any clouding at all then?
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Question about the cloth/rubbing thing. How long should the process take?

It doesn't take that long if it works right away but it sometimes takes a few tries.
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that makes absolutely no sense at all. It has a slower processor & lower CMR. If it's that much better than the 9000 (and the 9000 has excellent motion handling, for me anyway), then there's something else about the 85" that differentiates it from the smaller 8550s.



You sound difficult to please... I think edge lit sets aren't for you. Maybe wait for OLED, or break the bank for a 950.

I know it doesn't make sense but that's my impression after only one day of use. It may change as I get to test different movies.

I don't think I'm that difficult although i certainly should have settled with the first set I got but it's too late.
I have to say that the most perfect panel I had was a 65 inch hu9000. I feel like the bigger sizes are a hit or miss.
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Do you have any clouding at all then?
a verrryyyy little "light shining" directly in the left corner of the lower black bar. Not all the time visible. Depents on the backlight dimming.
(size: approx. 1,5 inch)

Not a Problem so far
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HD Guru is doubling-down on their FALD claim for the 85" 8550, which they insist has been confirmed with a senior Samsung person they believe is credible. They've now added this to their link to Amazon for the 85":

"Retail $12000 Now $9997.99 Amazon direct -Note: This is a full array LED backlit model with local dimming, not edge-lit as stated by Amazon."
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I know it doesn't make sense but that's my impression after only one day of use. It may change as I get to test different movies.

I don't think I'm that difficult although i certainly should have settled with the first set I got but it's too late.
I have to say that the most perfect panel I had was a 65 inch hu9000. I feel like the bigger sizes are a hit or miss.
I think the issue and dynamic is that for the $ these sets cost, people properly expect near-perfection. WHile in fact the price is unrelated to the quality control of the physical product and these are mass produced assembly line products with a fairly high degree of fault tolerance. Also, people who hang out here become much, much more sensitized to these issues of clouding, light bleed, etc. Most people don't even look for these issues and if they do see them, except in extreme cases, they live with them. I am not at all suggesting we should live with them -- this is a logical reaction to the ridiculous pricing levels -- but I don't think the assembly quality of these product are capable of meeting the expectations established by that pricing.
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The 2nd UHD Video Pack is now listed on Samsung's site, albeit I could only find it by Googling the product id CY-SUC10SH1/ZA (versus CY-SUC10SH/ZA for the original drive). MSRP is 399.00 and it gets you 5 more Hollywood movies and 26 more nature documentaries. No mention on the description of it allowing future studio content so likely just a hard drive with overpriced content. I did go ahead and order one from crutchfield after selling my free UHD Drive that I just got with my HU8550 on ebay.

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The 2nd UHD Video Pack is now listed on Samsung's site, albeit I could only find it by Googling the product id CY-SUC10SH1/ZA (versus CY-SUC10SH/ZA for the original drive). MSRP is 399.00 and it gets you 5 more Hollywood movies and 26 more nature documentaries. No mention on the description of it allowing future studio content so likely just a hard drive with overpriced content. I did go ahead and order one from crutchfield after selling my free UHD Drive that I just got with my HU8550 on ebay.

http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/t...subtype=others
I wonder what that really means (from the product description).
"fully immerse yourself in the glory of preloaded blockbusters at near UHD-level quality."
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The 2nd UHD Video Pack is now listed on Samsung's site, albeit I could only find it by Googling the product id CY-SUC10SH1/ZA (versus CY-SUC10SH/ZA for the original drive). MSRP is 399.00 and it gets you 5 more Hollywood movies and 26 more nature documentaries. No mention on the description of it allowing future studio content so likely just a hard drive with overpriced content. I did go ahead and order one from crutchfield after selling my free UHD Drive that I just got with my HU8550 on ebay.

http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/t...subtype=others
How long did it take you to get the free hardrive, through the rebate.
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How long did it take you to get the free hardrive, through the rebate.
Like 12 days I think. It was pretty fast.

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HD Guru is doubling-down on their FALD claim for the 85" 8550, which they insist has been confirmed with a senior Samsung person they believe is credible. They've now added this to their link to Amazon for the 85":

"Retail $12000 Now $9997.99 Amazon direct -Note: This is a full array LED backlit model with local dimming, not edge-lit as stated by Amazon."
Just because its on the internet does not make it true. Even if the specs showed this, I would leave this info out for sure on my site...... If it was FALD, lets face it, the unit would be about double the price. It may be some form of back light dimming, but not like the X950B Sony, older units from Sony, or the Sharp Elite LED's of the past.
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Just because its on the internet does not make it true. Even if the specs showed this, I would leave this info out for sure on my site...... If it was FALD, lets face it, the unit would be about double the price. It may be some form of back light dimming, but not like the X950B Sony, older units from Sony, or the Sharp Elite LED's of the past.
Of course it doesn't. But no one has disproved it yet, and they are sticking with their story. The logic that it's not FALD simply based on the price is not compelling. JVC has an 85" FALD panel coming out with an MSRP (not street price) of $8K. Vizio has a 70" FALD coming out for about $3K.

As for parsing whether some direct-lighting is FALD and some is not, that's all subjective. Most people here consider direct LED backlighting with local dimming FALD. If we're going to say it's not FALD until it is at least XXX zones or YYYY individual LED's, then Vizio has at most one FALD set that may or may not be coming out this year and the rest are marketing lies. But try convincing all the people in the 2014 Vizio topics, or even the reviewers, that those sets are not FALD.

It could well be a FALD panel that isn't in the same league, of course, as the Sony 950B or the Samsung S9 because it has fewer zones and fewer LED's. And it could also have an inferior local dimming algorithm, a lesser processor, etc. All that would make a difference in the picture quality but not change the fact that it's a FALD panel by virtue of being direct-lit and having some degree of local dimming. Interesting that the first statements from HD Guru called it "direct-lit" but didn't use the phrase "Full array with local dimming" (i.e. FALD). The latest statement from them does.

This is mostly an academic discussion at this point. I would be curious to get the definitive answer eventually but having seen the set a couple times, in detail, it's PQ is great but not better than the HU9000 which is edge-lit or certainly not better than the 950B. Fantastic edge-lit can beat ok-FALD. So FALD or not, it's a great set but not the best. But is the S9 worth 4X what it costs, or the 85" 950B 2.5X? I don't think so. That said, I think this set should be selling for about $7,500. You can get the HU900 for low 6-thousands.
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Has anyone tried both HU8550 and the Hu9000 65 in in their home? I was wonder is the HU9000 worth the extra money?
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Of course it doesn't. But no one has disproved it yet, and they are sticking with their story. The logic that it's not FALD simply based on the price is not compelling. JVC has an 85" FALD panel coming out with an MSRP (not street price) of $8K. Vizio has a 70" FALD coming out for about $3K.

As for parsing whether some direct-lighting is FALD and some is not, that's all subjective. Most people here consider direct LED backlighting with local dimming FALD. If we're going to say it's not FALD until it is at least XXX zones or YYYY individual LED's, then Vizio has at most one FALD set that may or may not be coming out this year and the rest are marketing lies. But try convincing all the people in the 2014 Vizio topics, or even the reviewers, that those sets are not FALD.

It could well be a FALD panel that isn't in the same league, of course, as the Sony 950B or the Samsung S9 because it has fewer zones and fewer LED's. And it could also have an inferior local dimming algorithm, a lesser processor, etc. All that would make a difference in the picture quality but not change the fact that it's a FALD panel by virtue of being direct-lit and having some degree of local dimming. Interesting that the first statements from HD Guru called it "direct-lit" but didn't use the phrase "Full array with local dimming" (i.e. FALD). The latest statement from them does.

This is mostly an academic discussion at this point. I would be curious to get the definitive answer eventually but having seen the set a couple times, in detail, it's PQ is great but not better than the HU9000 which is edge-lit or certainly not better than the 950B. Fantastic edge-lit can beat ok-FALD. So FALD or not, it's a great set but not the best. But is the S9 worth 4X what it costs, or the 85" 950B 2.5X? I don't think so. That said, I think this set should be selling for about $7,500. You can get the HU900 for low 6-thousands.
Let's say the price argument is not compelling, don't you think Samsung would be promoting the 85" as a FALD on any press release ? They are not stupid, they know how important this is for the potential buyers of a set like this.

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Let's say the price argument is not compelling, don't you think Samsung would be promoting the 85" as a FALD on any press release ? They are not stupid, they know how important this is for the potential buyers of a set like this.

Like someone else said though, if they did that, they would certainly undermine the S9. Just my 2 cents.
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Like someone else said though, if they did that, they would certainly undermine the S9. Just my 2 cents.

Could be. I am waiting for the Panasonic FALD , already announced but given their financial situation I have serious doubt if we will ever see it. The claim that it can be equal or better than the ZT60 is very promising.

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Could be. I am waiting for the Panasonic FALD , already announced but given their financial situation I have serious doubt if we will ever see it. The claim that it can be equal or better than the ZT60 is very promising.
With about 128 zones it should be a decent set for the price I believe the 950b has around the same amount.
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I wish members quit touting JVC and even this 85" FALD as if it's the JVC of old, it isn't . It's simply not the same company and no different than RCA is Thompson Electronics and not RCA and thus = Crapvision today.

JVC sold its TV branding rights to a Taiwanese company called AmTRAN Technology in 2011. My point is the past JVC history has nothing to do with this new company that's slapping a badge they bought so I wouldn't expect much out of this, they have supplied some panels to Vizio but they promise alot with few results sort of like Vizio "P"/Ref series is still MIA 8 months later after all the puffery of CES = ZILCH UHD results to-date.

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I wish members quit touting JVC and even this 85" FALD as if it's the JVC of old, it isn't . It's simply not the same company and no different than RCA is Thompson Electronics and not RCA and thus = Crapvision today.

JVC sold its TV branding rights to a Taiwanese company called AmTRAN Technology in 2011. My point is the past JVC history has nothing to do with this new company that's slapping a badge they bought so I wouldn't expect much out of this, they have supplied some panels to Vizio but they promise alot with few results sort of like Vizio "P"/Ref series is still MIA 8 months later after all the puffery of CES = ZILCH UHD results to-date.
I was quoting JVC agnostically with no reference to quality or lineage. I completely agree, and have stated previously, that you can have good edge-lit that is better than bad FALD. But I was addressing the suggestion that no large FALD sets could come out below the $10K price range.
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Let's say the price argument is not compelling, don't you think Samsung would be promoting the 85" as a FALD on any press release ? They are not stupid, they know how important this is for the potential buyers of a set like this.
All this was discussed in detail further back in this topic and another one. I wasn't trying to reignite the debate, just to pass on the latest information.

I personally have never taken a position that it is FALD or not. I personally evaluated the set twice with several other people and none of us could say definitive even after running some tests using the Spears & Munsil discs. The panel we saw have none of the absolutely obvious give-aways like clear light bleed from the edge. The panel was very uniform. But black levels were not as good as the edge-lit HU9000 let alone the X950B FALD set. There was a very subtle amount of lightening in the bottom left corner when viewing the grey/white checkerboard test slide and the fast scrolling logo against the black screen created a lighter band from edge-to-edge along. All possible signs of edge-lit but if so, very good edge-lit. On the other hand, it could just be mediocre FALD, with relatively few local dimming zones, relatively few individual LCD's or not Samsung's best software for managing motion and dimming. FALD doesn't automatically equal better. But it had the kind of uniformity that is hard to find with edge-lit. Not to mention the physical panel is twice as thick as all the smaller sizes in that model line including the 75".

There are plenty of reasons Samsung may not have promoted this, including but not limited to:

1) They don't want it to undermine the S9. They may have had practical reasons they chose a direct-lit panel based on the available supply of 85" 4K panels but had not intended to push it as a competitor to their existing S9.

2) Right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. It is common at Samsung that the marketing department gets things wrong. Since the rest of the 8550 panel line is definitely edge-lit, there may be confusion or delay internally from the marketing department that's undermining pushing this feature.

3) It may not be something they want to promote because of the compromises in the way they did it. If they slapped a limited zone direct-lit panel with the same software as the rest of the line they may not want people judging it on the basis of it's FALD status. Better to have people say it's an awesome edge-lit than a so-so FALD, especially when you want people to believe that you are uncompromising with your S9 FALD implementation.

4) Avoiding confusion. Again, if they had technical or practical reasons they put a FALD panel in the 85" as opposed to marketing reasons, they may not want to confuse the market by promoting a differentiated feature of the model line. If they were going to promote it as FALD, they might have called is the S7 (made that up) or something else.

5) Who knows…
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Samsung HU8550 55" vs. 65"

Hi,

I am in the market for a HU8550 but don't know if I should get a 55" or 65". I have a 50 inch but want to go to 65" but don't know it if is worth the money and does the picture quality gets reduce due to the bigger size.

Anybody with insight is much appreciated.
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Hi,

I am in the market for a HU8550 but don't know if I should get a 55" or 65". I have a 50 inch but want to go to 65" but don't know it if is worth the money and does the picture quality gets reduce due to the bigger size.

Anybody with insight is much appreciated.

By all means, go with the 65. Picture quality will be pretty much the same but the extra room will make a big difference.

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All this was discussed in detail further back in this topic and another one. I wasn't trying to reignite the debate, just to pass on the latest information.

I personally have never taken a position that it is FALD or not. I personally evaluated the set twice with several other people and none of us could say definitive even after running some tests using the Spears & Munsil discs. The panel we saw have none of the absolutely obvious give-aways like clear light bleed from the edge. The panel was very uniform. But black levels were not as good as the edge-lit HU9000 let alone the X950B FALD set. There was a very subtle amount of lightening in the bottom left corner when viewing the grey/white checkerboard test slide and the fast scrolling logo against the black screen created a lighter band from edge-to-edge along. All possible signs of edge-lit but if so, very good edge-lit. On the other hand, it could just be mediocre FALD, with relatively few local dimming zones, relatively few individual LCD's or not Samsung's best software for managing motion and dimming. FALD doesn't automatically equal better. But it had the kind of uniformity that is hard to find with edge-lit. Not to mention the physical panel is twice as thick as all the smaller sizes in that model line including the 75".

There are plenty of reasons Samsung may not have promoted this, including but not limited to:

1) They don't want it to undermine the S9. They may have had practical reasons they chose a direct-lit panel based on the available supply of 85" 4K panels but had not intended to push it as a competitor to their existing S9.

2) Right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. It is common at Samsung that the marketing department gets things wrong. Since the rest of the 8550 panel line is definitely edge-lit, there may be confusion or delay internally from the marketing department that's undermining pushing this feature.

3) It may not be something they want to promote because of the compromises in the way they did it. If they slapped a limited zone direct-lit panel with the same software as the rest of the line they may not want people judging it on the basis of it's FALD status. Better to have people say it's an awesome edge-lit than a so-so FALD, especially when you want people to believe that you are uncompromising with your S9 FALD implementation.

4) Avoiding confusion. Again, if they had technical or practical reasons they put a FALD panel in the 85" as opposed to marketing reasons, they may not want to confuse the market by promoting a differentiated feature of the model line. If they were going to promote it as FALD, they might have called is the S7 (made that up) or something else.

5) Who knows…
Idk if this adds any weight to the discussion but I've seen only one owner report clouding near the edge middle of the screen, but no signs of the back light arrangement.
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I think the issue and dynamic is that for the $ these sets cost, people properly expect near-perfection. WHile in fact the price is unrelated to the quality control of the physical product and these are mass produced assembly line products with a fairly high degree of fault tolerance. Also, people who hang out here become much, much more sensitized to these issues of clouding, light bleed, etc. Most people don't even look for these issues and if they do see them, except in extreme cases, they live with them. I am not at all suggesting we should live with them -- this is a logical reaction to the ridiculous pricing levels -- but I don't think the assembly quality of these product are capable of meeting the expectations established by that pricing.
I just helped one of my good friends set up his TV, which is a lower end Samsung. I can't believe how excited he was to mount it and once we did he never once made comments about the picture but just how good it looked.
It doesn't come any close to the 8550 but he did not care nor asked any question about comparisons.
It is great to see people who just enjoy a tv with the fam for what it is... just to have a good time together.
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Of course it doesn't. But no one has disproved it yet, and they are sticking with their story. The logic that it's not FALD simply based on the price is not compelling. JVC has an 85" FALD panel coming out with an MSRP (not street price) of $8K. Vizio has a 70" FALD coming out for about $3K.
Just because a TV is FALD does not make it good, even the Sony X950B could use more local dimming zones.......
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my 85 has nothing like that with the same "no signal" scene
Same here, don't have that.
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Same here, don't have that.

Does this mean I have a bad panel?? This is really annoying!
I watch another movie tonight and it was fine until I saw the credits and then it ruined the whole thing.
The two large blobs on the left side where staring right into my face.
I'd hate to exchange a fourth time!!
What do you guys think?

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Does this mean I have a bad panel?? This is really annoying!
I watch another movie tonight and it was fine until I saw the credits and then it ruined the whole thing.
The two large blobs on the left side where staring right into my face.
I'd hate to exchange a fourth time!!
What do you guys think?

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Okay there is no way that set is FALD. That picture should put this debate to rest.

And yes, I wouldn't accept that.

What is your backlight set to, and what is smart LED set to?
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Okay there is no way that set is FALD. That picture should put this debate to rest.



And yes, I wouldn't accept that.



What is your backlight set to, and what is smart LED set to?

Backlight is at 14 and led set to high!!

I have to admit that I purposefully set the focus point on the dark part of the screen to be able to show the problem better. It is not nearly as bad in real life but not too far off either!!
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Hi,

I am in the market for a HU8550 but don't know if I should get a 55" or 65". I have a 50 inch but want to go to 65" but don't know it if is worth the money and does the picture quality gets reduce due to the bigger size.

Anybody with insight is much appreciated.
Theres no picture quality reduction just due to size. I've never heard of it. By all means get the biggest size you can afford or works in your place. I upgraded from a regular HD 46 inch to the 65 inch HU8550 and love it. Although after some time it doesn't seem as big anymore lol.
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