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Just breaking in my new 65HU9000 today and so far it rocks!

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Almost zero light bleed/clouding along with the great calibration colors from Chad makes me a happy camper. Inky blacks and standout colors while watching Star Trek Into Darkness and now Skyfall. So far I am very impressed and can't wait to try out real 4k whenever my UHD video pack arrives.
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Well good news is I got the video to play via DLNA, so it definitely works that way. Bad news is that the video cuts off after 15 seconds or so and the TV says "this video data is not supported".

I couldn't even get it to work on my HTPC either. I think I may need a higher speed hdmi cable, since it would freeze every time any motion occured, but it never actually stopped complete.y

Interesting stuff. From what I could see, it looked incredible. Best 4K image quality I've ever seen... way better than the 4K demos on youtube.
Yeah, that's why I loved it on the Sony. It WOW'd everyone. The quality was fasntastic, the scenes in the middle are excellent. That's exactly what mine did. cuts out in 15 seconds, then it never played again. The Sony XBR played it 100% through flawlessly 100% of the time.
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The Panasonic 4k has a display port. I think HDMI has just become the connection of choice for home theater; All manufacturers actually pay a license fee for the use of HDMI, not the other way around. Crazy, I know. I agree All these TVs should have display ports, which are royalty free to my knowledge.
Display port will probably be on next years units I would guess.....
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STILL not a single owner can report back the ACTUAL refresh rate........sigh yawwwn wake me up when 4k is TRUE 120hz geuss im stuck with this christie projector
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Looks like samsung is in overdrive with 4k this year they've added another model to they're line up it seems very similar to the 8550.
I wonder if they're coming out with a flat version of the hu9000 next.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN75HU8500FXZA
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Looks like samsung is in overdrive with 4k this year they've added another model to they're line up it seems very similar to the 8550.
I wonder if they're coming out with a flat version of the hu9000 next.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN75HU8500FXZA
I think the 8500 is just Costco's version of the 8550 -- essentially the exact same TV.

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I think the 8500 is just Costco's version of the 8550 -- essentially the exact same TV.
Makes sense I completely forgot about that one. Samsungs site is all over the place so many different models to choose from this year it's like they're competing with everyone
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STILL not a single owner can report back the ACTUAL refresh rate........sigh yawwwn wake me up when 4k is TRUE 120hz geuss im stuck with this christie projector
It is listed as 120Hz Native Refresh rate. If a TV lists a higher-than-60 refresh rate AND has motion smoothing/motion interpolation , chances are it's a 120Hz panel or higher. If it doesn't have that extra processing, it's likely a 60Hz panel, with black frame insertion (if that). Not proof but it is what it is.

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I need a bit of help.....I have 4 components hooked into my receiver and going into the 65 9000, and all work fine...However, I get no sound when playing Netflix, so I assume I have missed something here....Can someone let me know what I need to do connection wise to get the tv to run thru the receiver? Is there an out connection on the Uconnect box that needs to go into the receiver? HDMI or optical?

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I just put my source on the page of each activity in both my Harmony Ultimates. Much easier for me to just start the activity and then as soon as it switches to TV Input press the source button (ex. Cbl/Sat) on my remote. Thankfully it is only an issue when I first turn on my systems, the rest of the time ARC performs flawlessly now.
Thanks I have a Harmony Ultimate and I did the same thing. It's mostly for the sake of the wife that I want to make this work in one button press =)
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I have a Harmony One remote and I programmed it to include a 20 second delay then an extra step to change the receiver back to HDMI 3. So the TV starts out on HDMI 3, switches to TV, then switches back to HDMI 3 (ARC). Still not perfect as you have to keep the remote pointed at the receiver for 20 seconds or so.
Thanks I have a Harmony Ultimate and I looked into and their new desktop software I'm using doesn't allow me to add a delay between device power on an choosing input.

Did you do anything special to change the settings?
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I need a bit of help.....I have 4 components hooked into my receiver and going into the 65 9000, and all work fine...However, I get no sound when playing Netflix, so I assume I have missed something here....Can someone let me know what I need to do connection wise to get the tv to run thru the receiver? Is there an out connection on the Uconnect box that needs to go into the receiver? HDMI or optical?

Thanks
Make sure that when you go to Menu > Sound and check that TV Sound Output is set the Receiver. Also you'll need to make sure that one of your HDMI cables is put into the one labeled ARC on the back of the TV and that your receiver is set to that input as well.

Other than that you'd need to check that your receiver has ARC enabled.
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Looks like updating the WDTV live's firmware yesterday fixed my ARC issues between the TV and AVR. Go figure. Even the volume display works on every input.
And yes I did unplug the optical this time

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This maybe a dumb question...

Hi All.


Just wall mounted my 78HU9000. Looks great. I went to put the power cable behind the wall and down to the base of the wall...low and behold, the power cable is only 5ft! If most mounts extend out to 24 - 28 inches, that means the wall outlet would need to be at 1.5 3 feet above the floor. Ok...need a longer power cord. Contact Samsung via chat...guess what..."Samsung recommends using the standard power cable"...thanks...for nothing.


I have a power conditioner/surge suppressor I had my old tv plugged into, and so I know an extension cable isn't a problem, but are their longer power cables out there? For those of you that wall mounted, what was your solution?

Thank you!

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Just wall mounted my 78HU9000. Looks great. I went to put the power cable behind the wall and down to the base of the wall...low and behold, the power cable is only 5ft! If most mounts extend out to 24 - 28 inches, that means the wall outlet would need to be at 1.5 3 feet above the floor. Ok...need a longer power cord. Contact Samsung via chat...guess what..."Samsung recommends using the standard power cable"...thanks...for nothing.


I have a power conditioner/surge suppressor I had my old tv plugged into, and so I know an extension cable isn't a problem, but are their longer power cables out there? For those of you that wall mounted, what was your solution?

Thank you!

Alex
Assuming it has the same 2-prong connection as the 8550 - just go on amazon and look up "figure 8 power cable" and you'll find what you're looking for in various lengths!
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Just wall mounted my 78HU9000. Looks great. I went to put the power cable behind the wall and down to the base of the wall...low and behold, the power cable is only 5ft! If most mounts extend out to 24 - 28 inches, that means the wall outlet would need to be at 1.5 3 feet above the floor. Ok...need a longer power cord. Contact Samsung via chat...guess what..."Samsung recommends using the standard power cable"...thanks...for nothing.


I have a power conditioner/surge suppressor I had my old tv plugged into, and so I know an extension cable isn't a problem, but are their longer power cables out there? For those of you that wall mounted, what was your solution?

Thank you!

Alex
I just ran an extension cord up the wall and along the mount to my HU8550.

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for the UHD video pack those who received theres how were shipped? fedex,ups,etc.. and was a signature required?
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Thank you for your replies. We found another difference between the 8550 and the 9000. The 9000 doesn't have the figure 8 connector. Picture attached. I can run an extension cable up the wall and attach it on the wall mount. Is there any concern on the length of the extension? I'll need to go about 15 feet to the power conditioner/surge suppressor. Thanks again!
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Looks like samsung is in overdrive with 4k this year they've added another model to they're line up it seems very similar to the 8550.
I wonder if they're coming out with a flat version of the hu9000 next.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN75HU8500FXZA
Wrong! The original Samsung did carry this badge from CES 2014 but the 8500 series moniker became reserved for Europe at release and N. America took on the 8550 series.

This is not a new listing at Samsung as it gets brought up about once a month. The only available 8500 series you can purchase is in Europe yet Samsung continues to list it for months.

To prove my point here's the listing fron FlatpanelsHD:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/article....&id=1395392640

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Wrong! The original Samsung did carry this badge from CES 2014 but the 8500 series moniker became reserved for Europe at release and N. America took on the 8550 series.

This is not a new listing at Samsung as it gets brought up about once a month. The only available 8500 series you can purchase is in Europe yet Samsung continues to list it for months.

To prove my point here's the listing fron FlatpanelsHD:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/article....&id=1395392640
Except for the HU8500 which is the CostCo version of the HU8550:

http://www.costco.com/Samsung-65%22-...100112401.html

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Thank you for your replies. We found another difference between the 8550 and the 9000. The 9000 doesn't have the figure 8 connector. Picture attached. I can run an extension cable up the wall and attach it on the wall mount. Is there any concern on the length of the extension? I'll need to go about 15 feet to the power conditioner/surge suppressor. Thanks again!
That's called a C13 connector, in this case it's at a right angle.

no concerns with the length of extension.
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Thank you for your replies. We found another difference between the 8550 and the 9000. The 9000 doesn't have the figure 8 connector. Picture attached. I can run an extension cable up the wall and attach it on the wall mount. Is there any concern on the length of the extension? I'll need to go about 15 feet to the power conditioner/surge suppressor. Thanks again!
These cables are sold in different lengths as well, I would not use an extension cord unless its a must.
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Review: Samsung UN65HU9000

Isn't it interesting how many things in life are touted as either New and Improved or Old Fashioned? A decade ago, having a non flat screen was starting to become an object of scorn; but when I asked Cleveland Plasma / Cleveland AV owner Chris Majoros what the big thing in TVs displayed at the CES show was last January, he said, "They got curved, man! It's everywhere!" Interestingly, Samsung's new curved-screen HU9000 could probably be described as both New and Improved and Old Fashioned- but in a distinctively high tech way.

The HU9000's curve actually improves the image for viewers who watch at short distances from the screen, since it keeps the edges more on axis up close. I have worked with some large screen LED LCDs which, because of the highly directional color and contrast performance, only looked their best from 10 feet away or more because at close distances the edges of the screen became increasingly off axis. However, the curve can be a bit strange at normal distances and for viewers not perfectly centered on the screen. While I didn't have a lot of room to walk around and view the set at extreme angles, it did appear the the HU9000 was just about as directional as most other LED LCDs, with faces turning flat and purplish and contrast washing out off axis. However, with it's curved screen's slightly enhanced performance for up close viewing, the HU9000 earns 2 points for viewing angle in my TV ranking scale.

A strong point of Samsung's recent flagship LED LCDs has been their ability to keep the screen inky black in moderate ambient light, and the HU9000 was quite remarkable in that regard. Despite the glossy screen, reflections were minimal in most situations. That, combined with the HU9000's very strong maximum brightness, combine for an outstanding score of 7 for versatility.

Before calibration:

Out of the box, the HU9000's Energy Star rated Standard mode was downright scary bad. Thankfully, a very simple switch to Movie mode transformed the HU9000's picture into a thing of beauty, with excellent depth, well balanced shadow detail, and bright and punchy whites. Skin tones were noticeably pink, but not to an obnoxious degree. While this may be due to a bit of sample to sample variation, I did not feel that the HU9000's pre-calibration movie mode had an overly greenish cast, as I have with other recent LED LCDs. Only after spending too much time watching in the overly blue and garish Dynamic mode did the HU9000's Movie mode look drab or dingy.

Calibration:

The HU9000's screen was commendably uniform for an edge lit LED LCD. Displaying a white screen showed that it was just slightly brighter at the sides. With a dark gray screen, uniformity continued to show good performance, with barely perceptibly more green in the middle. I could also see that the bottom was slightly brighter, but these flaws were extremely minor. Black uniformity was a non issue, because with the zone dimming blacks were totally dark except around the regions where there was content. The blacks also appeared quite neutral, with no annoying bluish or purple cast that can plague many displays with similar technology, leading to a black score of 4.

Zone dimming LED LCDs by nature trade off some stability for contrast, though the HU9000's dimming action was well tuned and not distracting in most situations. I did notice, however, that the HU9000's dimming could lead to variable white crush depending on the size of the bright object displayed. For example, with the Smart LED dimming control turned on, white crush appeared in small white objects but not large ones unless contrast was reduced into the 80's. With Smart LED off, there was no white crush on any size pattern up to a contrast setting of at least 98. As with many other displays, the 10 point white balance adjustment progressively mistracks as the contrast is reduced from it's maximum position. This can lead to an unavoidable tradeoff during calibration: either keep the contrast high and live with some white crush of small objects in the image, or reduce the contrast and live with a little less pop and have a much tougher time calibrating the 10 point adjustment. I took both approaches and, after evaluating the performance of each, settled on an in between contrast setting of 93. The HU9000's backlight stability rating of 2 reflects generally good but occasionally compromised performance.

As with the HU8550, the HU9000's single pixel wide horizontal lines were soft with 1080i or 1080P test patterns, though admittedly it looked much better with most content. This led to a resolution and detail score of 2.

The modified ANSI contrast ratio measured 1,761:1, with black at .028 fL and white at 49.3 fL. However, that is the absolute worst case scenario for a zone dimming display; most content will have much better contrast. In fact, measured with an APL window, which better simulates dark movie scenes, blacks improved to .002 fL for a contrast ratio of 24,650:1. Full on/off contrast was unmeasurable since full black screens were totally dark. Actual contrast will vary by content, but will be between the above two numbers in most situations.

The HU9000 measured very well after calibration, with nearly ruler flat grayscale and gamma tracking. Color saturations were very good, though a tiny bit of mistracking in the red saturation sweeps can be seen, with full purity reds measuring well but paler shades measuring a bit too pure. This led to a couple of skin tone simulation patches measuring a delta E of around 2, which could be just visible. This is excellent performance, perhaps falling just short of the best in the industry and leading to a color score of 9.

After calibration:

The HU9000 was a real pleasure to watch, with a very natural sense of depth and shadow detail resulting in a depth score of 5. The picture was vibrant and punchy, though visible contrast did depend a bit on the calibration route taken. I ultimately settled on a pop ranking of 6. Skin tones were no longer pinkish as they were in uncalibrated Movie mode, though they were a bit on the rich side of natural. The picture could be a bit grainy with NR off, but mainly up close. Turning NR on auto fixed this with no apparent side effects, leading to a smoothness score of 3. There were no artifacts in the panning buildings in The Dark Knight, and thankfully I never saw any Dirty Screen Effect. Motion and pans looked very natural, with no uncalled for stuttering or Soap Opera Effect. The zone dimming was effective during movie playback. Fluctuations are unavoidable, but they usually did not intrude on my enjoyment. Black bars were quite stable and not distracting.

I found the HU9000 to be an engaging display, one that I believe is sure to please not only the average Joe but most enthusiasts as well.
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Isn't it interesting how many things in life are touted as either New and Improved or Old Fashioned? A decade ago, having a non flat screen was starting to become an object of scorn; but when I asked Cleveland Plasma / Cleveland AV owner Chris Majoros what the big thing in TVs displayed at the CES show was last January, he said, "They got curved, man! It's everywhere!" Interestingly, Samsung's new curved-screen HU9000 could probably be described as both New and Improved and Old Fashioned- but in a distinctively high tech way.


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The HU9000 was a real pleasure to watch, with a very natural sense of depth and shadow detail resulting in a depth score of 5. The picture was vibrant and punchy, though visible contrast did depend a bit on the calibration route taken. I ultimately settled on a pop ranking of 6. Skin tones were no longer pinkish as they were in uncalibrated Movie mode, though they were a bit on the rich side of natural. The picture could be a bit grainy with NR off, but mainly up close. Turning NR on auto fixed this with no apparent side effects, leading to a smoothness score of 3. There were no artifacts in the panning buildings in The Dark Knight, and thankfully I never saw any Dirty Screen Effect. Motion and pans looked very natural, with no uncalled for stuttering or Soap Opera Effect. The zone dimming was effective during movie playback. Fluctuations are unavoidable, but they usually did not intrude on my enjoyment. Black bars were quite stable and not distracting.

I found the HU9000 to be an engaging display, one that I believe is sure to please not only the average Joe but most enthusiasts as well.
Your gamma and greyscale looks very similar to my 65" 8500 both pre and post, with large variation in high ire before calibration.

Tom Norton's pre calibrtion result on the 55" was very different as are his final settigs - esepecially the high backlight - I found 7/8 optimal - he also noted that post calibration gamma of -1 might be optimal - it was on my set.

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...led-ultra-hdtv

Too bad so few on this thread have no interest in PQ - much different than the plasma guys...
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I have a question:
I have a 65" HU8500 here in the UK (HU9000 in US). My Cinema Black feature has only 2 setting: On & Off. Is it the same with the US models, or do you have, Low, Medium & High setting?

Also, if you're watching a movie with the black bars, and change this setting to On/Off, do you actually see a difference? I honestly can't see any difference in the "blackness" of the bars when I turn this setting on/off. I know one review (HDTV Test I think) mentioned that it only worked on the top bar etc.

When I turn Smart LED to Low from Off, you notice an immediate difference in the "blackness" of the screen, but with Cinema Black, I just don't see it at all. If other owners can see a noticeable difference when they turn this On/Off, then I must have a problem with my set, and should contact Samsung.
Please let me know, Thanks
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Too bad so few on this thread have no interest in PQ - much different than the plasma guys...
I guess you need to vacate the LCD premises and return to the cemetary called plasma.

How do you take a positive review voluntarily provided and turn it into an insult of the majority membership of this forum and a dedicated LCD thread? How do you conclude such utter B.S.?

Taking a hard working contribution of this review and turning it into a PERSONAL insult of LCD owners/fans is petty and = nothing but arrogant TROLLING! Contributes nothing and insults most everyone that favors LCD.

If you want to track the historical demise check these OBJECTIVE charts that demo the death and evolution of what you deem as PQ and globally destroys your assertion/argument as a false one.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...&id=1398762499

Those charts demo consumers globally chose LCD for PQ and other advantages. Consumers by the tens of millions annually across to globe chose LCD.
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Thank you so much for taking the time for the review. However, I'm left sort of confused as to how this TV ranks comparatively with the others you've recently reviewed.

Could you offer up an objective and subjective rating.

I'm certain many may be wondering is the HU9000 incrementally better or equal or worse than the flat HU8500 or if you were buying how would you rank with . . .

Sony 900B/950B
LG 9800
LG OLED

Which panel would make you pull your wallet out if you had a budget for them all? I'm torn between the 75" 8500 vs. the HU9000 78" and not because of the curve but purely is there a difference maker between the two?

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Love the review but left wondering how these LCD Flagships compare with your wealth of experience and keen eye? THX Chad!
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Hi, it's normal that in hu8550(hu7500 in Italy) the component outputs, near the lan hole, are very hot, I can't
leave my fingers for more than 2 seconds because I burn them...It's normal?
I'm afraid that blends the tv
ps: please excuse my english I'm Italian. Thanks
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