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Anybody using the one connect box on their 8550? I assume maybe some real mounts did.
It's there any advantage our get anything extra besides the convenience of having the connectors on the box instead of back of tv.
Just bought the 75er and wondering if I should get the one connect..
from what I understand, others have tried connecting the 2014 one connect box to the 8550, and it doesn't work.

I believe you'll have to purchase the 2015 evolution kit when it comes available sometime next year.
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I do believe that this link proves that Samsung is using a 10 bit panel in the HU9000. I'm not sure if this was discussed already but this is good news for the longevity of this Samsung set when compared with the Sony 900B, which uses an 8 bit display.
http://www.tvserviceparts.com/BN95-01379A.html

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And the official Samsung part link....
http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN65HU9000FXZA
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I guess you need to vacate the LCD premises and return to the cemetary called plasma.

How do you take a positive review voluntarily provided and turn it into an insult of the majority membership of this forum and a dedicated LCD thread? How do you conclude such utter B.S.?

Taking a hard working contribution of this review and turning it into a PERSONAL insult of LCD owners/fans is petty and = nothing but arrogant TROLLING! Contributes nothing and insults most everyone that favors LCD.

If you want to track the historical demise check these OBJECTIVE charts that demo the death and evolution of what you deem as PQ and globally destroys your assertion/argument as a false one.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...&id=1398762499

Those charts demo consumers globally chose LCD for PQ and other advantages. Consumers by the tens of millions annually across to globe chose LCD.

Funny quote - the ghost of Dangerfield must haunt your halls. I am agnostic to display type and have owned LCD, DLP, Plasma, etc,,, however, this device drives more discussion about inputs, internet conectivity, etc. than it does on maximizing PQ. Just look at the several quotes that follow yours- right back to non PQ issues. There is nothing wrong with that, people should discuss what is important to them but my observation is that PQ is generally not in the top 2 or 3.
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CHAD B,
Great Review!
Had been planning to order 65HU9000 from Chris in September...'no red flags' here, so it's full steam ahead with my plans after reading your analysis!

I had previously thought about the LG UB9800, largely for 3D, as I have a large 3D library & currently have an LG LM9600 which I like, especially for 3D. But as far as every professional review I have read goes, the Samsung HU9000 is the 'Complete Package'! And as a side benefit...I really like the 'Curved Style'!
Can't wait until September.

Thx Chad!!
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These cables are sold in different lengths as well, I would not use an extension cord unless its a must.

Here is my dilemma: either run a 16 (could get a 14 if better) gauge extension cord to the 5ft factory cord...and that will plug into a quality power conditioner and surge suppressor - or - get an aftermarket cord (Samsung doesn't supply anything over 5 ft according to to J&J their parts company) and plug it into a lower quality surge suppressor.


Am I making a mountain out of a mole hill or is there specific issues I should be concerned with?


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Thanks for the review Chad. It seems like it ended too soon though. Did you edit the tail end? I would also like to know how you ranked the 2014 sets that you recently reviewed. I take it you don't care for 3D as you didn't mention it. I would have liked to compare how bright the new sets are in 3D mode and which one was the brightest. Again, thanks for taking the time to calibrate & post.
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Funny quote - the ghost of Dangerfield must haunt your halls. I am agnostic to display type and have owned LCD, DLP, Plasma, etc,,, however, this device drives more discussion about inputs, internet conectivity, etc. than it does on maximizing PQ. Just look at the several quotes that follow yours- right back to non PQ issues. There is nothing wrong with that, people should discuss what is important to them but my observation is that PQ is generally not in the top 2 or 3.
most likely because plasma TVs don't have sophisticated smart hubs or vast connectivity options.

Plenty of people have posted their calibration settings throughout this thread, just do a search. Most people here are so satisfied with the PQ after using some of the posted calibration settings peppered in this thread, that there's not much else to talk about on that subject.
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I do believe that this link proves that Samsung is using a 10 bit panel in the HU9000. I'm not sure if this was discussed already but this is good news for the longevity of this Samsung set when compared with the Sony 900B, which uses an 8 bit display.
http://www.tvserviceparts.com/BN95-01379A.html
This has been discussed throughout several pages of this thread. We cannot conclude that this is a true statement, because the part number could be mislabelled, just as samsung has misprinted details in their manual and product description pages.

Until someone opens this panel up and sees for sure, we may never know beyond a shadow of a doubt. Would be very nice though!!
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You must have read what I said wrong, my PC monitor (LG 34UM95) is 18ms. Comparing it to the Samsung, I don't notice a difference in input lag. http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/ reviewed the HU8700 recently and measured 40ms... that is the same panel used in the HU8550, just curved. Early reviews of the 8550 put it at ~60ms, so it seems firmware updates have brought that down since. But can't say for sure since I haven't seen any outlet re-test it. Either way... the lag is no problem at all for me.

Yes I did rename the input to PC on the Samsung, that is a must. I can definitely feel the input lag on default settings
Yeah, my bad. I'll rename input to PC and let my son try Xbox again to see if lag is an issue then. Thanks.
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This has been discussed throughout several pages of this thread. We cannot conclude that this is a true statement, because the part number could be mislabelled, just as samsung has misprinted details in their manual and product description pages.

Until someone opens this panel up and sees for sure, we may never know beyond a shadow of a doubt. Would be very nice though!!
How else would the tv be able to produce 12 bit color at 60fps? It seems that the sony 900b has an 8 bit panel bc the specs say that it can only do 2160p 60 fps at 8 bit. This is so damn confusing. I have the 900b and was considering returning it for that very reason to get the Sammy. That is the only reason I would swap them out.
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How else would the tv be able to produce 12 bit color at 60fps? It seems that the sony 900b has an 8 bit panel bc the specs say that it can only do 2160p 60 fps at 8 bit. This is so damn confusing. I have the 900b and was considering returning it for that very reason to get the Sammy. That is the only reason I would swap them out.
Based on the part description, it seems more likely than not the panel is indeed 10-bit. I was only stating that we still don't know for 100% certainty, because nobody has actually seen the panel replacement up close and personal.

What further complicates the matter is that there is another panel replacement part for the HU9000 that is listed at 8-bit, but it is much cheaper in price.

This question was posed in the samsung panel version thread, and some very intelligent-sounding posters said that the panel is indeed 10-bit, since BOTH panels are used to form one single cell which completes the set.

See post #779 in this thread:

Samsung Panel Version Thread

From there, you can form your own opinion. Based on evidence, I'd say we are damn near certain, just not 100%.
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How else would the tv be able to produce 12 bit color at 60fps? It seems that the sony 900b has an 8 bit panel bc the specs say that it can only do 2160p 60 fps at 8 bit. This is so damn confusing. I have the 900b and was considering returning it for that very reason to get the Sammy. That is the only reason I would swap them out.
The 2160p 60 4:2:0 8bit is a limitation of the hdmi chip.
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Any idea why sony would use an hdmi chip that limits 2160p at 60fps to 8 bit color? What are your thoughts, should I return the 900b for the Sammy? It's just a ton of money and I would like to keep this tv for a few years.
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Any idea why sony would use an hdmi chip that limits 2160p at 60fps to 8 bit color? What are your thoughts, should I return the 900b for the Sammy? It's just a ton of money and I would like to keep this tv for a few years.
Check this post and subsequent ones:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...=#post26334521
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Any idea why sony would use an hdmi chip that limits 2160p at 60fps to 8 bit color? What are your thoughts, should I return the 900b for the Sammy? It's just a ton of money and I would like to keep this tv for a few years.
If it is an HDMI 2.0 port with HDCP 2.2 then the limitations are the same as those with an HDMI 1.4 port. HDCP 2.2 cripples the bandwidth available. Any HDMI 2.0 ports without HDCP 2.2 are full speed (18Gbps) and capable of full 4k 4:4:4 8bit. it gets more complicated when you move up to 10 bit etc.

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most likely because plasma TVs don't have sophisticated smart hubs or vast connectivity options.

Plenty of people have posted their calibration settings throughout this thread, just do a search. Most people here are so satisfied with the PQ after using some of the posted calibration settings peppered in this thread, that there's not much else to talk about on that subject.
In TJN's words

"We strongly recommend that you find the optimum basic video settings for your sample by using one of the many available display setup DVDs, such as Digital Video Essentials (DVD) or DVE HD Basics (Blu-ray). These will help you to set the basic controls correctly—Brightness, Contrast, Sharpness, and sometimes Color and Tint. Experimenting with the more complex color calibration and other controls in the user menus will do no harm; the changes may be easily reset. But tuning a set "by eye" with such controls is a hopeless task and no substitute for a full calibration, which is best left to a trained and properly equipped technician such as those certified by the Imaging Science Foundation (ISF) or THX."
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If it is an HDMI 2.0 port with HDCP 2.2 then the limitations are the same as those with an HDMI 1.4 port. HDCP 2.2 cripples the bandwidth available. Any HDMI 2.0 ports without HDCP 2.2 are full speed (18Gbps) and capable of full 4k 4:4:4 8bit. it gets more complicated when you move up to 10 bit etc.
I think that is correct.
The other hdmi ports are linked to 1.4 SI chips.
The caveat is this: http://www.extremetech.com/computing...audio-channels (all within 4:2:0 looks like)


"As far as I can tell, all three channels can be used for audiovisual data, for a combined total of 18Gbps — but this only helps if you want to display three separate images. I don’t think you can combine all three channels to create a single 18Gbps, ultra-high-resolution feed. 6Gbps is enough to carry 4K video at 60 fps, or 3D 4K at 30 fps, along with 32 audio channels, and that seems to be the limit of the HDMI 2.0 spec. The DDC and CEC channels don’t require anywhere near 6Gbps (more like Kbps and Mbps), so most of the remaining 12Gbps will go to waste — unless you use HDMI 2.0′s new “dual video streams” function, which presumably uses two TMDS channels to display two video feeds on a single display. (Or maybe it just halves the main TMDS channel — we’ll probably have to wait a few more months for the spec’s exact details to become public.)"


Keep in mind most, if not all current blurays, are encoded as 8bit 4:2:0 24fps.
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Funny quote - the ghost of Dangerfield must haunt your halls. I am agnostic to display type and have owned LCD, DLP, Plasma, etc,,, however, this device drives more discussion about inputs, internet conectivity, etc. than it does on maximizing PQ. Just look at the several quotes that follow yours- right back to non PQ issues. There is nothing wrong with that, people should discuss what is important to them but my observation is that PQ is generally not in the top 2 or 3.
Just because people are here asking questions about non PQ related topics does not mean that the set is inferior or that the people on these threads (myself included) don't care about PQ. Actually it would be easier to argue that because not everyone is focused on it that the default PQ is better than most.

Also it's a testament to the quality of people who post in these threads. I've been able to make adjustments to my set based on calibration recommendations and I haven't had to post for extra advice. I'm a long time plasma lover and avid gamer, and with the knowledge I've gained from this thread I'm very happy with the PQ of my set.

Thanks AVS people for ally your help!
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from what I understand, others have tried connecting the 2014 one connect box to the 8550, and it doesn't work.

I believe you'll have to purchase the 2015 evolution kit when it comes available sometime next year.
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I am getting the 65 inch 8550 delivered and would greatly appreciate any advice on how to check the screen for any defects within the first 30 day return period...
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not sure if this will help but might help someone in a build

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Also, does anyone know if the cable is CL2 or CL3 rated for in-wall installation? Since the TV is going above a gas fireplace, I want to make sure it can withstand some sort of heat.
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on my wall mount i gambled on trying to undo the 14AWG - 2 wire from the outlet to the left of the tv and attach a new wire and pull it up through a fish hole but since the hole through the studs was small and immediately 90'ed above this outlet i tied on from to create the new parallel circuit for my new tv's 4 gang outlet box, i ended up opening up the drywall and routing the cable through the studs, made really large hole saw holes in the studs and place pull strings so i can route things later if required. Got power for my blu-ray and cable box as well as sound bar all hidden behind the panel now that the 4 gang is just left and at the top plane of mounting on the mount itself. i can pull out the panel all the way out on it's articulating mount and all the cords follow and then i can put it all back and it's under 2 inches from the wall and put back away to the wall.

so it'll take work, that's for sure; obviously even more work if you have to do new drywall.....
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quick note if it helps

downloaded that 4k club uhd 5 minute clip that's just under 4 gigs and i got the same thing with the video not supported after 10 seconds.

i suspect it's a glitchy encoding thing because if i skip directly to 30 seconds or even just barely before that it plays the rest of the entire video on my 75" 8550 just fine.

for it to say not able to play at the same runtime everytime and other people saying the same kind of 15 second thing, i think it's the source file.

hope that helps, and if this is already implied as general understanding from previous posts my bad for stating the obvious.
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I'm seriously considering buying the UN85HU8550 in about a month. I have a few questions.

It seems like these sets are the most future-proofed of the 4K TV's available with the Evo kits, HDCP 2.2, etc. What exactly are they future proofed for and not for? I realize if there's 4k standards with more color or contrast we won't get those benefits. But my main fear is buying one and then in a year or so when 4K Blu-Rays have a standard and come out that it won't be able to play them in 4k or something. Is this possible? What about for 4K TV broadcasts like DirecTV? Is it possible Netflix/Amazon could change how they stream 4k and we'd be left out in the cold?

What's the consensus on ClevelandAV? It seems they are much better in price for both the set and warranty vs Best Buy and no sales tax which is a lot at this price point. The only downside I think is they told me if there's any issues like dead pixels that Samsung would handle it whereas it seems like member on this forum easily return TV's for replacement through Best Buy for the slightest issue.

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Just picked up a 55hu8550 and I am loving it! Just a few questions. Is 4k up scaling always on? Even watching cable? Also is purchasing a 4k hdmi cable nessicary? Thank you.
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I'm seriously considering buying the UN85HU8550 in about a month. I have a few questions.

It seems like these sets are the most future-proofed of the 4K TV's available with the Evo kits, HDCP 2.2, etc. What exactly are they future proofed for and not for? I realize if there's 4k standards with more color or contrast we won't get those benefits. But my main fear is buying one and then in a year or so when 4K Blu-Rays have a standard and come out that it won't be able to play them in 4k or something. Is this possible? What about for 4K TV broadcasts like DirecTV? Is it possible Netflix/Amazon could change how they stream 4k and we'd be left out in the cold?

What's the consensus on ClevelandAV? It seems they are much better in price for both the set and warranty vs Best Buy and no sales tax which is a lot at this price point. The only downside I think is they told me if there's any issues like dead pixels that Samsung would handle it whereas it seems like member on this forum easily return TV's for replacement through Best Buy for the slightest issue.
I am on the same boat, have a 7 year old 46" xbr2, and desperately in need of something better & bigger, and am considering 85hu8550. I have 3 issues with it:
1) 10K price tag. I can pay for it, but it is not easy to justify paying such a huge amount. I suspect next year, same size is going to be 7Kish range, still high, but psychologically makes me feel better about it.
2) Can't do full 4K 3D. Instead, each eye can get upto 1080p original rez scaled back to 4K.
3) It is still not clear to me what the actual/official resolution is going to be for 4K content down the line. Say when 4K bluray spec is final, are they going to use actual 4K rez (4096 horizontal) or current UHD rez (3840 horizontal). If they go with actual 4K rez (1.9:1 aspect ratio), then these TVs are going to have to scale down that content.
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Thanks I have a Harmony Ultimate and I looked into and their new desktop software I'm using doesn't allow me to add a delay between device power on an choosing input.

Did you do anything special to change the settings?
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I am on the same boat, have a 7 year old 46" xbr2, and desperately in need of something better & bigger, and am considering 85hu8550. I have 3 issues with it:
1) 10K price tag. I can pay for it, but it is not easy to justify paying such a huge amount. I suspect next year, same size is going to be 7Kish range, still high, but psychologically makes me feel better about it.
2) Can't do full 4K 3D. Instead, each eye can get upto 1080p original rez scaled back to 4K.
3) It is still not clear to me what the actual/official resolution is going to be for 4K content down the line. Say when 4K bluray spec is final, are they going to use actual 4K rez (4096 horizontal) or current UHD rez (3840 horizontal). If they go with actual 4K rez (1.9:1 aspect ratio), then these TVs are going to have to scale down that content.
$10k is definitely overpriced. But you can get it for $8800 shipped no tax from ClevelandAV. I think at that point it's only about $1k overpriced. I'm basing this on the fact that the Sharp 1080P 2014 models are $5k for an 80" and $7k for a 90". So it would be around $6k for their 1080p 85" model, a couple thousand more for a Samsung that's 4k and probably better in other areas is worth it I think.

I don't use the 3D on my current Samsung 60" 1080p so not worried at all. I wish more companies would take the Vizio 2014 model approach and get rid of 3D to make the sets cheaper personally.

I was originally going to just get the Sharp LC-80LE650U for $2700 and wait 2-3 years for the 4k standards and 4k 80-90 inchers to be around $5k or less. But I went to see the Sharp in stores and they looked horrific compared to the Samsung 4k's upscaled. Not sure if the stores just purposely make the cheap sets look bad or what. I also watched some Blu-Rays upscaled in 4k and I swore they were 4k sources, I couldn't even see the pixels at a foot or two away.

I wish I didn't need such a large TV but I'm moving to a new house with a long living room where you sit around 17 feet from the TV, a 75 incher would even look small.

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I am getting the 65 inch 8550 delivered and would greatly appreciate any advice on how to check the screen for any defects within the first 30 day return period...

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I think it would be great if the community put together a quick checklist for newbies on banding and dead pixels (best way to get a full white screen), clouding (microfiber cloth solution), flash lighting and light bleed, Netflix issues, and maybe list a few of the issues that some have faced (screws too tight etc.)


It would need to be someone more knowledgeable than..."I am not a smart man"


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