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so much better, thanks
Try even to lower it a bit more since 5 is still a bit soapy still. Since you don't really like the soap opera to start with I would start judder at 0 and go from there. I have mine at set at 4 but in movies I have to go lower.
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Even the Samsung rep agreed that the hu9000 had better black levels due many more zones and processing.

We will have to wait to see the numbers....
Don't need to wait, that is what Chad B came up with already when he review many of the 4K and other current sets >>>>> Click Here <<<<<

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Try even to lower it a bit more since 5 is still a bit soapy still. Since you don't really like the soap opera to start with I would start judder at 0 and go from there. I have mine at set at 4 but in movies I have to go lower.
I personally feel 5 has the best trade-off of smooth motion without excessive SOE. At judder 0, the judder is way too distracting for me.
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Don't need to wait, that is what Chad B came up with already when he review many of the 4K and other current sets >>>>> Click Here <<<<<
Didn't he find hu8550 had better blacks/contrast ratio than the 9000?
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Didn't he find hu8550 had better blacks/contrast ratio than the 9000?
no, he found them pretty close, but the HU9000 edged it out. Also, HU9000 has cinema black, so you get perfect black bars for letterbox content
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no, he found them pretty close, but the HU9000 edged it out. Also, HU9000 has cinema black, so you get perfect black bars for letterbox content
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I heard owners stating seeing no dif with it either on/off.
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I heard owners stating seeing no dif with it either on/off.
are you serious? the difference is very noticeable with it on. it's not even debatable.
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are you serious? the difference is very noticeable with it on. it's not even debatable.

Agreed.
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Dot Crawl

Hi, I have an 8500 - I have noticed some dot crawl along straight horizontal and vertical lines, I first saw this on my Mac Pro HDMI output into the TV and also it's on other graphics, has anyone else noticed this and found a solution? Also does anyone have a link to a user manual (or even better a service manual or know the service menu entry code) - I noticed that the downloadable manual is not available on the Samsung site. Thanks.
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are you serious? the difference is very noticeable with it on. it's not even debatable.
Mine only dims the Top Bar, are u sure the bottom bar is dimmed too?
When you switch channels from watching a letterbox movie, to something else, for a second or two the sections of the screen where the black bars were, still remain dim, until the TV realises there are no bars anymore and undims them. On mine, only the top bar is dimmed.

Can you please tell me whether bottom bars are also dimmed on yours? If so, then either my TV is faulty, or my one-connect box.
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I personally feel 5 has the best trade-off of smooth motion without excessive SOE. At judder 0, the judder is way too distracting for me.
I tried the Custom setting as recommended here for a while, but ended up going to Clear. This actually reduced the judder on our set. Why I have no idea.

Samsung has a description of each Motion Plus mode on this help page (bottom of page), for anyone that is interested. From what I understand, it is a setting that each individual should tweak, for each source, to get the best results.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ho...UN40H4005AFXZA

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Don't need to wait, that is what Chad B came up with already when he review many of the 4K and other current sets >>>>> Click Here <<<<<
Bassplayer was referring to the 85" and Chad reviewed the 65". Since they are different panel types it's apples-to-oranges. The 9000 78" had better black level than the 8550 85" when I saw it. But it wasn't so different as to be a big deal.
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Has anyone played any fast paced games requiring quick reaction times on this series? Specifically the 65" HU8550.

I'm right on the fence with purchasing this TV set but after a bit of research I found that the 4k upscaling produces enough lag to make online gaming not feasible. The set would only be suitable for casual gaming. Also curious if a firmware update could potentially fix the input latency issue and reduce it from its current 70+ms delay.

Otherwise I'll have to jump on the XBR-65850B or settle for a UN65H7150 until Sammy can produce a lower latency model.
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Mine only dims the Top Bar, are u sure the bottom bar is dimmed too?
When you switch channels from watching a letterbox movie, to something else, for a second or two the sections of the screen where the black bars were, still remain dim, until the TV realises there are no bars anymore and undims them. On mine, only the top bar is dimmed.

Can you please tell me whether bottom bars are also dimmed on yours? If so, then either my TV is faulty, or my one-connect box.
This is what hdtvtest has seen on theirs:


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55h...1404163710.htm
"For some strange reason, engaging [Cinema Black] darkened ONLY the bottom letterbox bar in scope ratio films on our review unit – we’re not sure if it’s a sample-specific quirk or a model-wide phenomenon."
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Mine only dims the Top Bar, are u sure the bottom bar is dimmed too?
When you switch channels from watching a letterbox movie, to something else, for a second or two the sections of the screen where the black bars were, still remain dim, until the TV realises there are no bars anymore and undims them. On mine, only the top bar is dimmed.

Can you please tell me whether bottom bars are also dimmed on yours? If so, then either my TV is faulty, or my one-connect box.
sorry to say but you must have some sort of problem with your set. Both bars should be fully dimmed. It'd be a pretty pointless feature if it only half-worked
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Has anyone played any fast paced games requiring quick reaction times on this series? Specifically the 65" HU8550.

I'm right on the fence with purchasing this TV set but after a bit of research I found that the 4k upscaling produces enough lag to make online gaming not feasible. The set would only be suitable for casual gaming. Also curious if a firmware update could potentially fix the input latency issue and reduce it from its current 70+ms delay.

Otherwise I'll have to jump on the XBR-65850B or settle for a UN65H7150 until Sammy can produce a lower latency model.
iirc latency is down to mid 40ms in game mode. nobody has tested definitivetly with a leo bodnar, but I saw that number posted somewhere from a recent review.

the unacceptably high input lag has been addressed in a recent fw update.
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Bassplayer was referring to the 85" and Chad reviewed the 65". Since they are different panel types it's apples-to-oranges. The 9000 78" had better black level than the 8550 85" when I saw it. But it wasn't so different as to be a big deal.
They may be different but that is exactly what chad had to say about the 65" units........
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Has anyone played any fast paced games requiring quick reaction times on this series? Specifically the 65" HU8550.

I'm right on the fence with purchasing this TV set but after a bit of research I found that the 4k upscaling produces enough lag to make online gaming not feasible. The set would only be suitable for casual gaming. Also curious if a firmware update could potentially fix the input latency issue and reduce it from its current 70+ms delay.

Otherwise I'll have to jump on the XBR-65850B or settle for a UN65H7150 until Sammy can produce a lower latency model.
I have the 65" HU8550 and play mostly Battlefield 4 on the Xbox One. I had my Xbox going through my receiver on HDMI 4 and found that using the same settings as TV watching was horrible and had noticeable lag. I thought I would have to exchange for the Sony but I was able to tweak it to fit my needs.

I decided to move the Xbox to HDMI 2 so I could customize the settings and not needing to change them every time I change sources. After doing some digging I used recommended settings and changed HDMI 2 to PC and went through and turned off anything that did any sort of processing although I think PC shuts most of those off anyway. My only gripe about this setup is when I want to use my Xbox as a media center I have to go in and change the input off of PC and tweak the video settings.

Now I'm happy with it and I don't notice any lag. The colors are a bit washed out because it's on PC but I might be able to tweak that better, who knows. Honestly though if input lag is your #1 concern from what I've read the Sony would be the better route. I felt the Samsung was a better overall set which is why I decided to go this way.
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no, he found them pretty close, but the HU9000 edged it out. Also, HU9000 has cinema black, so you get perfect black bars for letterbox content
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So this begs the question. Is the HU9000 worth the extra money?
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So this begs the question. Is the HU9000 worth the extra money?
hard question to answer.

my (very) humble opinion -

from a value/quality standpoint, the 8550 is better in that it's typically $1000 cheaper than the equivalent-sized 9000, yet both are very close in terms of overall PQ.

However, if you simply want the best samsung set of 2014 in terms of PQ, or have a love affair with curved displays, HU9000 is worth it.

I fell into the latter category above (best PQ, not curve crazy), which is why I ended up with one.

But from the findings of chad B, along with most other reviews I've read, the two are very closely matched, with the HU9000 having only a slight edge.
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hard question to answer.



my (very) humble opinion -



from a value/quality standpoint, the 8550 is better in that it's typically $1000 cheaper than the equivalent-sized 9000, yet both are very close in terms of overall PQ.



However, if you simply want the best samsung set of 2014 in terms of PQ, or have a love affair with curved displays, HU9000 is worth it.



I fell into the latter category above (best PQ, not curve crazy), which is why I ended up with one.



But from the findings of chad B, along with most other reviews I've read, the two are very closely matched, with the HU9000 having only a slight edge.

To me the cinéma black feature is well worth it as the 8550 shows dark grey with letter box movies. The black level to me is noticeably better on the hu9000 even after calibrating both (I have the 85 inch 8550 which I'm returning to get the 78 inch hu9000).
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Methinks we need to start specifying WHICH 8550 we are referring to in this thread, since the 85" clearly uses a different lighting technology (maybe not full FALD, but definitely not Edge-lit) than the rest of the lineup.

For example, the assertion that "8550 shows dark grey with letterbox movies" isn't an accurate generalization, as on my UN85HU8550, I get "almost black" instead of "dark grey."

I'd love to see a professional calibrators' comparison of the UN75HU8550 vs UN85HU8550 configurations. Heck, I'll host a calibrator at my house if he needs an 85" to work on (I'm in MA).
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Methinks we need to start specifying WHICH 8550 we are referring to in this thread, since the 85" clearly uses a different lighting technology (maybe not full FALD, but definitely not Edge-lit) than the rest of the lineup.

For example, the assertion that "8550 shows dark grey with letterbox movies" isn't an accurate generalization, as on my UN85HU8550, I get "almost black" instead of "dark grey."

I'd love to see a professional calibrators' comparison of the UN75HU8550 vs UN85HU8550 configurations. Heck, I'll host a calibrator at my house if he needs an 85" to work on (I'm in MA).

Maybe it is because I have a crapy panel. I have led turned to high and even then, the black bars are not black.
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Hi all please can someone share the calibration settings for the 55HU9000 or the 65HU9000 I am guessing the settings would be the same for both of them.
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Maybe it is because I have a crapy panel. I have led turned to high and even then, the black bars are not black.
I think without numbers any/all observations are always subjective to ones perception, environment and background.
On top of the above, we still have panel lottery which complicates even further.
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Methinks we need to start specifying WHICH 8550 we are referring to in this thread, since the 85" clearly uses a different lighting technology (maybe not full FALD, but definitely not Edge-lit) than the rest of the lineup.

For example, the assertion that "8550 shows dark grey with letterbox movies" isn't an accurate generalization, as on my UN85HU8550, I get "almost black" instead of "dark grey."

I'd love to see a professional calibrators' comparison of the UN75HU8550 vs UN85HU8550 configurations. Heck, I'll host a calibrator at my house if he needs an 85" to work on (I'm in MA).
You are completely right. My set also shows almost black when watching letter box.
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Hello, everyone.. I am new to the forums and recently purchased this TV (UN55HU8550). Had upgraded from an LG 47LX9500. Honestly overall I was disappointed in the new Samsung, I am no expert when it comes to TV's but I found that the darker colors had spots of a darker grey for a few seconds. These "spots" would come and go in the different dark areas of the picture. I used the calibration settings which were posted in this thread earlier but compared to the LG it just didn't look as good. Is it possible that I just got a bad set?
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