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post #4351 of 18981 Old 08-23-2014, 09:34 PM
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Are any panels really "perfect"?
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I am having my 85" 8550 professionally calibrated after the 100 hour burn in period but I am concerned that after calibration, firmware updates will restore settings to factory defaults. Other than writing down all the myriad of settings, is there any way to save (backup) and then restore the settings after the firmware updates?
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To all these people talking about preferring plasmas: thanks for the autobiography. Plasma vs LCD are totally different aesthetics and saying you prefer one is like saying you like pasta over hamburgers.

I hate plasmas. They all look grainy and dark compared to LCDs. But I don't pretend I can't see the appeal of plasmas.

I kind of think some of you are trying not to like LCDs.
Coming from a plasma upgrader. Currently using ths Samsung 55" HU9000 and I think it's way better and the black is also better.

But of course OLED is still the best. Just waiting for the price to settle down first.

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After 4 weeks ownership of the U8550 65" a severe case of buyers remorse has infected me.

As I sit here now, in a darkened room, watching the latest episode of Dr Who on a better performing tv I am wondering what I am going to replace the Samsung with and how much am I going to loose unloading this crippled albatross.
I think your best shot would be the LG 65" OLED - Closest to perfection you'll find.

I suspect many posters stating they don't see UHD PQ aren't truly streaming 4K as I've seen TRUE 4K on last years budget LG 55" 9650 and it's was friggin amazing and recently I viewed the 55" OLED doing 1080P and the level of details was amazing. Keep in mind folks some content the Director created intentionally with grain and filters has limits to suddenly display PQ Pop likes it's planet earth isn't possible, example True Detective.

We have members here that spoke of the amazing difference when content is true 4K source versus upscaled with some even having 4K camera's that interface. I think it's silly for Samsung to create a UHD pack if in fact it's not going to truly represent UHD with upscaled 1080P is foolishness if that's what they've done.

Too bad warranties don't often cover buyers remorse beyond return windows, I once sold a plasma at a loss as I could not stand it's 24/7 reflections, daytime washout, and dirty whites in my sunny room - it was useless in daylight so that mistake provided me a $500 lesson to get it out of my home.

All I can say about 4K is that when you see the real deal potential there is no doubt as your mind and mouth will express it but certain content has it's limits to WoW when the Director may not have been seeking that end result. To me shadow details make a huge difference and I viewed the Hobbit Smaug Golden Dragon scene on the LG OLED and the shadow details were amazing as the Director likely intended.

Keep in mind there will come a time in the near future when Sony 4K Camera's will be used in sports just as it happened with HD for now we're early adopters and UHD is in it's infancy. Good Luck!

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If I had to do it all over again I would just get a good 1080p sets and wait a little longer for a 4k set. True 4k material looks amazing. The upscaled content and some of the videos on the HD pack look good but nothing mind blowing (World War Z some part look good and detailed other couldnt tell if its 4k or 1080p). I am keeping it don't really have buyers remorse. It will last me for a couple of years so I can at least watch 4k material as more becomes available.
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I am having my 85" 8550 professionally calibrated after the 100 hour burn in period but I am concerned that after calibration, firmware updates will restore settings to factory defaults. Other than writing down all the myriad of settings, is there any way to save (backup) and then restore the settings after the firmware updates?
The last Update to 2150 Firmware......all settings are kept, no Factory defaults.

But.........please Tell us your settings. I am having the same inch as yours
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I am having my 85" 8550 professionally calibrated after the 100 hour burn in period but I am concerned that after calibration, firmware updates will restore settings to factory defaults. Other than writing down all the myriad of settings, is there any way to save (backup) and then restore the settings after the firmware updates?
yes pencil and paper -write them down.
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I'm wondering about getting my set calibrated. I don't like Movie Mode on Samsungs. I like a bright even blown-out image.

Is there any point to calibrating?

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I am streaming the 4k on the 8550 from the built in app. On my 4500 I am using the PS4 app over HDMI.


I have the ethernet running to the PS4 directly and the tv obviously over Wi-Fi, could this be making a difference? Sorry I'm not real tech Savvy. The streams play flawlessly without playback interruption so I imagine that means I have adequate Mbps.

You said that Smurfs 2 in UHD looks better than your Blu-Ray copy on the 9000. The thing is I am comparing it to a 720p plasma.
There is no loss in quality what so ever.

Just so my situation is known I want to give a little back story.

I have always had Comcast and D*.
A few months ago I switched to Dish. I bought a new KDL70W850B. HD was really bad. Lots of artifacting, no pop, ghosting and blur, for the most part I would compare it to upscaled 480p. Thinking there's no way a $2,300 Sony would deliver this bad of an image I blamed Dish for the problem. The Sony displayed Blu-Ray magnificently so I thought I had an awesome set and Dish was just compressing the image sending an upscaled SD pic. Well....


Then I purchased a PN51 4500 for my bedroom.I was amazed at how crisp Dish HD was on it. Some programs looked similar to Blu-Ray quality. I couldn't understand how this was possible. Dish on the 8550 is underwhelming but a giant leap compared to the Sony and way behind the 4500. So I figured this set's real advantage is 4k. And it is beautiful I admit but side by side with the plasma there is a minimal difference if at all.

I'm hoping I am doing something wrong or these haven't been true 4k. Ive heard Vimeo has awesome high bitrate 4k that gives the impression of life like quality but Im not going to pay a monthly fee to view time lapses.
Make sure you're actually getting 2160p when watching Netflix. Hit the info button while watching to see what resolution you're at.

I have 105mb Comcast and occasionally Netflix will glitch on me and only show 1080p. I can tell a noticeable difference between the two. For me it normally just requires a modem reset, but you're case may be different.
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There is a kids movie called gnomeo and juliet.

This movie upscaled on the hu9000 is beyond any movie expirience i have had on any other set.

It is simply staggering the picture quality that is displayed when that set and that movie are running.

You will realize its an expirience not attainable on a 1080p set. It is a picture beyond Hd ability.

Now your going to ask how does a 1080p movie do that?

Im not sure why that movie and Coraline look so damn good.

But its nice to know my set can do it. If i could figure out why those 2 movies look so good it would really help to find movies that show off your uhd set.
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Page 178 of users manual for the 8550 states "All video and audio settings return to the default settings after a software update." Hence my concern about losing my settings every time a firmware update comes out. Would be a real bummer to spend the $$$ for a calibration and then lose the settings.
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Page 178 of users manual for the 8550 states "All video and audio settings return to the default settings after a software update." Hence my concern about losing my settings every time a firmware update comes out. Would be a real bummer to spend the $$$ for a calibration and then lose the settings.
Calibrate it and take pictures of the screens. Email and sabe a file for reference. Thats what I did.
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I'm watching Breaking Bad in 4K.... So right now on Netflix only BB and House of Cards in 4K?
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Thanks Mrorange303,

Hopefully Samsung will come up with a way to save settings and then upload after software updates. This seems like something that should be provided to us considering the costs they get for these beasts.
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I'm watching Breaking Bad in 4K.... So right now on Netflix only BB and House of Cards in 4K?
There is a uhd channel. It has shows movies and documentaries.

It says uhd.

You must use the tv netflix app.
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There is a uhd channel. It has shows movies and documentaries.

It says uhd.

You must use the tv netflix app.
Thanks... I didn't even see it there....
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Again, I did the Update. All settings are fine!!!!!!!!!!
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I have a question for 8550 owners. Is there a good setting in the Picture Options to make it so movies don't have lag OR the soap opera effect? I was playing around with the 85" set in Best Buy today and watching a Lord of the Rings blu-ray and it either stuttered/lagged with the motion settings off or looked soap operaey with the settings on. Even tried using the Blur and Judder scales a bit but movement still looked unnatural. Obviously didn't have time to go through every combination of Blur and Judder from 0 to 10. We hooked up the same Blu-Ray player to a 79" LG 9800 and had the same problem. But when we hooked it up to the 65" 9000 curved screen we could turn off all the motion settings and I didn't notice any lag, at least no more than my 60" Samsung ES8000 TV at home (which I also turn off all the motion settings cause I can't stand soap opera movement).

Is the 9000 series just better at lag/motion than the 8550? Or is it maybe just a size issue, where the smaller picture you can't see the motion issues as much? I'm debating between the 85" 8550 and the 78" 9000.

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I have a question for 8550 owners. Is there a good setting in the Picture Options to make it so movies don't have lag OR the soap opera effect? I was playing around with the 85" set in Best Buy today and watching a Lord of the Rings blu-ray and it either stuttered/lagged with the motion settings off or looked soap operaey with the settings on. Even tried using the Blur and Judder scales a bit but movement still looked unnatural. Obviously didn't have time to go through every combination of Blur and Judder from 0 to 10. We hooked up the same Blu-Ray player to a 79" LG 9800 and had the same problem. But when we hooked it up to the 65" 9000 curved screen we could turn off all the motion settings and I didn't notice any lag, at least no more than my 60" Samsung ES8000 TV at home (which I also turn off all the motion settings cause I can't stand soap opera movement).

Is the 9000 series just better at lag/motion than the 8550? Or is it maybe just a size issue, where the smaller picture you can't see the motion issues as much? I'm debating between the 85" 8550 and the 78" 9000.
yes, it is. It has a CMR (clear motion rating) of 1440 vs 1200 for the 8550. Not a huge difference but probably enough to notice.

Also, another user here owned both the 78" 9000 and the 85" 8550, and returned the 8550 and kept the 9000.
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yes, it is. It has a CMR (clear motion rating) of 1440 vs 1200 for the 8550. Not a huge difference but probably enough to notice.

Also, another user here owned both the 78" 9000 and the 85" 8550, and returned the 8550 and kept the 9000.
Oh, I always thought those CMR ratings were when you had all the motion settings soap opera effect on?

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I have a question for 8550 owners. Is there a good setting in the Picture Options to make it so movies don't have lag OR the soap opera effect? I was playing around with the 85" set in Best Buy today and watching a Lord of the Rings blu-ray and it either stuttered/lagged with the motion settings off or looked soap operaey with the settings on. Even tried using the Blur and Judder scales a bit but movement still looked unnatural. Obviously didn't have time to go through every combination of Blur and Judder from 0 to 10. We hooked up the same Blu-Ray player to a 79" LG 9800 and had the same problem. But when we hooked it up to the 65" 9000 curved screen we could turn off all the motion settings and I didn't notice any lag, at least no more than my 60" Samsung ES8000 TV at home (which I also turn off all the motion settings cause I can't stand soap opera movement).

Is the 9000 series just better at lag/motion than the 8550? Or is it maybe just a size issue, where the smaller picture you can't see the motion issues as much? I'm debating between the 85" 8550 and the 78" 9000.
As funny as it sounds, I like the motion handling of the 8550. I had both models at home. However, the black levels and overall picture quality is better in the 9000.

Just my own opinion.
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As funny as it sounds, I like the motion handling of the 8550. I had both models at home. However, the black levels and overall picture quality is better in the 9000.

Just my own opinion.
What settings do you use? Do you like the soap opera effect? Cause some of my friends do.

I personally like to turn all motion and judder settings off.

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What settings do you use? Do you like the soap opera effect? Cause some of my friends do.

I personally like to turn all motion and judder settings off.
I call soe the window effect.

I love it. Its why i went 4k. I want to feel like im at a game on a sunday.

I love movies have that look to them like you were there to witness then happen.
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I am dying reading all of these posts and can't wait to move into my new home next week and get the 85" dialed in! Right now we have no TV as I wanted to sell it before the move. It forced me to upgrade to a different AVR too. At least that is what I told me wife. The Marantz AV7702 should arrive around October.
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What settings do you use? Do you like the soap opera effect? Cause some of my friends do.

I personally like to turn all motion and judder settings off.

I hate soap opera effect. The 8550 didn't have that with the clear setting and it looked pretty good.
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I had other issues with mine but this is very distracting.
That happen to me on my first UN65F8000 last year and got it exchange. That light is leaking from the frame and is not suppose to do that, apparently is cause by a mistake at the factory while mounting the panel.
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To all these people talking about preferring plasmas: thanks for the autobiography. Plasma vs LCD are totally different aesthetics and saying you prefer one is like saying you like pasta over hamburgers.
Its more like comparing a diesel engine VS a gasoline engine . I would love to get into this debate, however there is no need to plasma's are days away from being gone.

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I am having my 85" 8550 professionally calibrated after the 100 hour burn in period but I am concerned that after calibration, firmware updates will restore settings to factory defaults. Other than writing down all the myriad of settings, is there any way to save (backup) and then restore the settings after the firmware updates?
LED's do not have phosphorus to burn in, there is no need for 100 hours before calibration. Never hurts though........Most calibrators will store your settings as well and give you a printout.

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I hate soap opera effect. The 8550 didn't have that with the clear setting and it looked pretty good.
Actually it does have that. My 1080p sets have it.

You can turn it off. You can lower it. You can many things with it.
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