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Ok I'm ready to pull the trigger on one. Now my debate is flat vs. curved. To me in the store, the flat had much less reflective glare than the curved, which looked like a much glossier panel. The TV will be facing the living room window with it's sheer curtains. And I just as soon not close the heavy light blocking curtains in the day time. So my debate. Help? The curved 9000 has the upgradeable external box and better specs than the 8550 with it's internal box.
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Ok I'm ready to pull the trigger on one. Now my debate is flat vs. curved. To me in the store, the flat had much less reflective glare than the curved, which looked like a much glossier panel. The TV will be facing the living room window with it's sheer curtains. And I just as soon not close the heavy light blocking curtains in the day time. So my debate. Help? The curved 9000 has the upgradeable external box and better specs than the 8550 with it's internal box.
even though the 9000 comes initially with the one connect box, the 8550 does have evo kit support, and will likely support the 2015 version. the specs are better on the 9000 however.

if you aren't bothered by the curve and can swing the price, it is the better TV. But if price makes you uncomfortable, you will be plenty happy with the 8550 too, they're pretty closely matched.

Is 55" simply your budget ceiling, or do you have a space requirement? Because I'd highly recommend a 65" or higher to fully see the benefit of 4K. Yes, you'll still notice the difference on the 55", but it will be more subtle, especially from further distances.
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Double nickel is it. An old discussion for us argued over and over again. we're staying with 55". Now the 8700 is the same as the 9000 but without the camera. Correct?
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Double nickel is it. An old discussion for us argued over and over again. we're staying with 55". Now the 8700 is the same as the 9000 but without the camera. Correct?
No, i believe its the 8550 with a curve. Which would still suite you
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Anyone figure out how to remove the speaker icon that jumps around on the screen when muting the 8550? I know you can go into the sound menu and choose external speakers, but I'd rather not have to do that every time I want to use my receiver.
I just turn the sound all the way down to 0..
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Ok I'm ready to pull the trigger on one. Now my debate is flat vs. curved. To me in the store, the flat had much less reflective glare than the curved, which looked like a much glossier panel. The TV will be facing the living room window with it's sheer curtains. And I just as soon not close the heavy light blocking curtains in the day time. So my debate. Help? The curved 9000 has the upgradeable external box and better specs than the 8550 with it's internal box.
I just went though the same process and choice the 75 8550 over the 78 9000. I'm happy with my choice. I tried to convince myself that the 9000 was worth the extra 1500 and couldn't. Yes the specs are a little better, but I couldn't see out in the picture myself. And I didn't like to curve to start with. It does distort some pictures, worst is tennis from the end court view.
I also bought from best buy where it's ready to exchange of I wasn't happy with my choice.
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I just went though the same process and choice the 75 8550 over the 78 9000. I'm happy with my choice. I tried to convince myself that the 9000 was worth the extra 1500 and couldn't. Yes the specs are a little better, but I couldn't see out in the picture myself. And I didn't like to curve to start with. It does distort some pictures, worst is tennis from the end court view.
I also bought from best buy where it's ready to exchange of I wasn't happy with my choice.
Hu9000 all day.
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Hu9000 all day.
Can you bullet point WHY?

I think you've cross compared both but what sold you on the added costs?

I go through this debate all the time because I bought the 60D8000 and the following year bought a 65F8000 paying another almost $3K with only a nominal improvement from one year to the next. Bigger = better details not seen in a 55" plus a curve on that size has no IMAX feel whereas the 78" does over the 65" or smaller dwarfing it. Just don't want to save and spend another $5K-$7K for a nominal improvement just like anyone else.

Love the look of the 65" 4K LG OLED but have a hard time spending another $6300 for the same size panel I already own.

I guess a year from now the 77" may be priced like the 65" but it seems like we're always waiting for next year on this forum after almost ten years here eventually I may run out of next years waiting game cycle that does a rinse and repeat after every CES.

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About 2 weeks ago I purchased the hu8550, and I'm loving it so far. I did receive the uhd pack free with it. Right now are there any other movies out there to put onto the uhd pack?
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Also what is the recommended setting for smart led?
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Can you bullet point WHY?

I think you've cross compared both but what sold you on the added costs?

I go through this debate all the time because I bought the 60D8000 and the following year bought a 65F8000 paying another almost $3K with only a nominal improvement from one year to the next. Bigger = better details not seen in a 55" plus a curve on that size has no IMAX feel whereas the 78" does over the 65" or smaller dwarfing it. Just don't want to save and spend another $5K-$7K for a nominal improvement just like anyone else.

Love the look of the 65" 4K LG OLED but have a hard time spending another $6300 for the same size panel I already own.

I guess a year from now the 77" may be priced like the 65" but it seems like we're always waiting for next year on this forum after almost ten years here eventually I may run out of next years waiting game cycle that does a rinse and repeat after every CES.
Slighlty better motion. Best blacks and shadow detail of the two.

I ignored the hu9000 at first because of the curve. Like everyone else i thought the curve was just weird. Gimmicky if some want to say it.

So i studied the sony x900a and x900b. I was sold on the x900b. In fact it was the 3rd time in bb when i finally sat down in front of the hu9000. My wife was ill and tired and found an empty seat in front of it.

While letting her catch a breath i just watched the hu9000 play.
Right next to the hu8550. The colors had more pop. Some dont want that.

You can turn it down. But in black scenes the hu9000 had better detail. It seems the control of lighting helps.

Also the motion was just superb.
I had enough for the 65HU9000. So i jumped in.

External evo kit is just fantastic.

I would do it again.
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Slighlty better motion. Best blacks and shadow detail of the two.

I ignored the hu9000 at first because of the curve. Like everyone else i thought the curve was just weird. Gimmicky if some want to say it.

So i studied the sony x900a and x900b. I was sold on the x900b. In fact it was the 3rd time in bb when i finally sat down in front of the hu9000. My wife was ill and tired and found an empty seat in front of it.

While letting her catch a breath i just watched the hu9000 play.
Right next to the hu8550. The colors had more pop. Some dont want that.

You can turn it down. But in black scenes the hu9000 had better detail. It seems the control of lighting helps.

Also the motion was just superb.
I had enough for the 65HU9000. So i jumped in.

External evo kit is just fantastic.

I would do it again.
Thanks for taking the time to define your choice. I like PQ Pop and shadow details also as the more details that are brought out the better Immersion occurs that usually = WoW's, if the details are missing there are no WoW's forced out of the viewers mouth whereas if present you get that peering into a window effect IMO and experience. THX

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Thanks for taking the time to define your choice. I like PQ Pop and shadow details also as the more details that are brought out the better Immersion occurs that usually = WoW's, if the details are missing there are no WoW's forced out of the viewers mouth whereas if present you get that peering into a window effect IMO and experience. THX
Thats exactly my taste in pq as well.
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you guys are completely ignoring the un65hu8700.It is not the same as 8550 it has a CMR 1320 so right there you know its different panel.The panel is th01.Reviewrs online say it closer to 9000 minus camera.pur colour(although on best buy canada say it has it)auto depth enhancer and cinema black.I personally think they just turned it off in service menu.I looked at them side by side in best buy 8550,9000 and 8700.The 8700 had deeper blacks for sure than the 8550 but 9000 where darker maybe due to cinema black.The colors looked better on 8700 over 8550 but i just could not see the difference in 9000.I am very happy with this set got a great deal in Canada @ CNE was a real steal tbh.The UHD pack in canada has 10 4k movies and 30 documentaries ....Sony looked ok lots of vibrant red but lacks real color my eyes see a sharper 4k image on Samsung.I also cant stand the uniformaty on the sony and the damn blue backlights
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Ok I'm ready to pull the trigger on one. Now my debate is flat vs. curved. To me in the store, the flat had much less reflective glare than the curved, which looked like a much glossier panel. The TV will be facing the living room window with it's sheer curtains. And I just as soon not close the heavy light blocking curtains in the day time. So my debate. Help? The curved 9000 has the upgradeable external box and better specs than the 8550 with it's internal box.

I had the curved 78" and didn't like it. My wife didn't like it either. The curve gives a distorted type of glare like those "fun" mirrors at the carnival. We tried to get use to it and never did. When the TV is off and you walk by it, you can see a weird "flashing" type of glare out of the corner of your eye. Then when you look directly at it, it takes a while for you to adjust the depth perception of your vision. It may sound weird, but that was our experience. I returned it and bought the 75" 8550 and couldn't be happier. For what it's worth, when I returned it, the salesperson told me he didn't like the curved screen for that reason and was getting a lot of complaints about that.
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Anyone figure out how to remove the speaker icon that jumps around on the screen when muting the 8550? I know you can go into the sound menu and choose external speakers, but I'd rather not have to do that every time I want to use my receiver.
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I just turn the sound all the way down to 0..

Yea, I could do that, but I was trying to set up my Harmony remote to mute the TV when using surround. And it will do that, but then the speaker icon is left on the screen. Annoying.
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About 2 weeks ago I purchased the hu8550, and I'm loving it so far. I did receive the uhd pack free with it. Right now are there any other movies out there to put onto the uhd pack?

Go here: http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?cat=demouhd


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Now that they have been out for quite some time, is there a consensus on vertical banding in the 65" version of the HU8550?
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Ok I'm ready to pull the trigger on one. Now my debate is flat vs. curved. To me in the store, the flat had much less reflective glare than the curved, which looked like a much glossier panel. The TV will be facing the living room window with it's sheer curtains. And I just as soon not close the heavy light blocking curtains in the day time. So my debate. Help? The curved 9000 has the upgradeable external box and better specs than the 8550 with it's internal box.

I had the curved 78" and didn't like it. My wife didn't like it either. The curve gives a distorted type of glare like those "fun" mirrors at the carnival. We tried to get use to it and never did. When the TV is off and you walk by it, you can see a weird "flashing" type of glare out of the corner of your eye. Then when you look directly at it, it takes a while for you to adjust the depth perception of your vision. It may sound weird, but that was our experience. I returned it and bought the 75" 8550 and couldn't be happier. For what it's worth, when I returned it, the salesperson told me he didn't like the curved screen for that reason and was getting a lot of complaints about that.
I agree with you. However wife prefers the curve saying she feels more drawn in to the picture. So I ordered the 9000. Hope it'll be ok. So are we now going to start seeing photographs and paintings for sale and in the galleries with curved frames? And curved windows on homes?

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I just bought the 65HU8550 and have connected to a Sony BDP-S6200 with 4K upscaling. Is it better to have the Blu-Ray do the upscaling or let the TV do the upscaling?
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I just bought the 65HU8550 and have connected to a Sony BDP-S6200 with 4K upscaling. Is it better to have the Blu-Ray do the upscaling or let the TV do the upscaling?
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3D question. Is the 3D on this set as good as it is in the LG OLED? I recently watched Avatar 3D on the new EC9300 and was blown away. The passive glasses were very light and comfortable. And the overall 3D experience very easy on the eyes and brain. Now when I watch that same film at home on my computer with a Asus 3D monitor and Nvidia active shutter glasses it doesn't look nearly as good. And I find my brain and eyes seem to have to work harder to enjoy it. Now I'm in my 60's so I wonder if age is a factor. But I noticed the same thing on a friend's 2012 Samsung 3D TV. The 3D was there, yes, you see that. But it was nothing to get excited about. Maybe a passive 3D system would be better for me?

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Here's the thing about active 3D: you see more. Everyone is saying how 4K would be the perfect use of passive because you'd still get 1080p. I don't care. I want more than 1080p, and you can't get that without active glasses. Watching Pirates 4 in 3D, you can see the 4K upscaling, and the detail is beyond incredible. It's like Johnny Depp is in your living room. There's no way I'd want passive 3D, even if it is better on the eyes and doesn't have issues with dark sources. I want the detail.

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3D question. Is the 3D on this set as good as it is in the LG OLED? I recently watched Avatar 3D on the new EC9300 and was blown away. The passive glasses were very light and comfortable. And the overall 3D experience very easy on the eyes and brain. Now when I watch that same film at home on my computer with a Asus 3D monitor and Nvidia active shutter glasses it doesn't look nearly as good. And I find my brain and eyes seem to have to work harder to enjoy it. Now I'm in my 60's so I wonder if age is a factor. But I noticed the same thing on a friend's 2012 Samsung 3D TV. The 3D was there, yes, you see that. But it was nothing to get excited about. Maybe a passive 3D system would be better for me?
The hu9000 is the best or top 2 in 3d you can find. As good as the lg but brighter and sharper.
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3D question. Is the 3D on this set as good as it is in the LG OLED? I recently watched Avatar 3D on the new EC9300 and was blown away. The passive glasses were very light and comfortable. And the overall 3D experience very easy on the eyes and brain. Now when I watch that same film at home on my computer with a Asus 3D monitor and Nvidia active shutter glasses it doesn't look nearly as good. And I find my brain and eyes seem to have to work harder to enjoy it. Now I'm in my 60's so I wonder if age is a factor. But I noticed the same thing on a friend's 2012 Samsung 3D TV. The 3D was there, yes, you see that. But it was nothing to get excited about. Maybe a passive 3D system would be better for me?
The hu9000 is the best or top 2 in 3d you can find. As good as the lg but brighter and sharper.
Well, ok. I'm ordering the 9000 just don't want to wind up wishing for something else.
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I don't know what to do. I have the 55HU8550 which generally looks good, except for the motion handling. The source is over the air broadcast 1080i. I have motion preset on "clear." I've tried all the other motion presets, including the custom settings to no avail. The problem is this; I'm watching a football game, the line is set, just before the snap of the ball the back goes into motion and it looks like the picture is in film mode or 24p cadence, then seems to synch up just before the ball is snapped and looks like normal motion for the rest of the play.

By using the motion presets, or the custom settings I can alter the overall motion characteristic to mimic film or the soap opera effect, or something inbetween. But what's distracting is this "synch-up" (if that's what it is) that causes the cadence to switch from a film like cadence to a normal cadence, or from a normal cadence into a film-like cadence.

This doesn't happen with 24p blu-ray which looks just great. It also doesn't happen with true 1080/60p source video. But the problem does happen with 720p. It's like it has a problem detecting pulldown and cadence.
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HU8550/9000 active 3D has been rated very highly.

It's full resolution to each eye (not interlaced like passive 3D) and nice & bright with little cross-talk. Some people are sensitive to active shutter glasses though, which is probably the only downside. They don't bother me, so I'm perfectly happy.

That said I feel passive 3D is inherently better due to being 100% flicker-free. But since the 9300 is 1080p only, it's resolution is halved which would definitely impact the clarity. Passive 3D is best implemented in 4K displays since the halved resolution results in full 1080p to each eye.

I personally would not buy a 1080p display any more at this time. 4K or nothing.
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HU8550/9000 active 3D has been rated very highly.

It's full resolution to each eye (not interlaced like passive 3D) and nice & bright with little cross-talk. Some people are sensitive to active shutter glasses though, which is probably the only downside. They don't bother me, so I'm perfectly happy.

That said I feel passive 3D is inherently better due to being 100% flicker-free. But since the 9300 is 1080p only, it's resolution is halved which would definitely impact the clarity. Passive 3D is best implemented in 4K displays since the halved resolution results in full 1080p to each eye.

I personally would not buy a 1080p display any more at this time. 4K or nothing.
All I know is when I walked into Best Buy,sat down in front of that new OLED display and put those glasses on. It was instantly Wow! I had never seen 3D so good. Much better even than IMAX. Very much immersed in the woods of Pandora. I want to say Wow! with my 9000 too. So it'd better be as good.

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All I know is when I walked into Best Buy,sat down in front of that new OLED display and put those glasses on. It was instantly Wow! I had never seen 3D so good. Much better even than IMAX. I want to say Wow! with my 9000 too. So it'd better be as good.
I am very impressed with HU9000 3D... but due to OLEDs amazing contrast along with flicker-free passive 3D, you might not get that same wow. I dunno though since I didn't view 3D on OLED yet...
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I am very impressed with HU9000 3D... but due to OLEDs amazing contrast along with flicker-free passive 3D, you might not get that same wow. I dunno though since I didn't view 3D on OLED yet...
The hu9000 beats the lg 1080p oled in 3d. No question.
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