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I have been following this thread with a lot of interest in discovering the problems being encountered with the HU8550 and the HU9000. So far I have found the following issues being discussed: Vertical banding, Motion blur, light bleeding at lower edges, clouding issues, judder issues, flashing/ flash lighting,fan noise, skipping problems, bad up-scaling on SD and HD images,need for calibration adjustments on different feeds, panel trim defects, voice control deficiencies, and lack of available 4K content. As such, most of you decided to keep the TVs. I am in the market to replace my 2008 73" Mitsubishi DLP and have been waiting for the Samsung 75" or 78" 4K to be released in the next few weeks. Money isn't the problem but I would like a hassle free experience if possible. Is it better to buy from BB or online and are the extended warranties worth the dollars?
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So Amazon said they would give me 10% off my HU9000 if i keep the unit with the mis-aligned frame or send me another replacement or just refund me my $. Going to test the video and sound more extensively if everything is near perfect I might take them on the discount (maybe the savings will help me not see the defect anymore....).

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So.. was watching the Samsung commercial and noticed something.. there is no backwards slant whatsoever on the TV when on its stand (mine is about 5-10 degrees), at least not the one they show in their advertisement - looks completely vertical to me..


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Aslo.. was watching the Samsung commercial and noticed something.. there is no backwards slant whatsoever on the TV when on its stand, at least not the one they show in their advertisement - looks completely vertical to me..

it means too many people obsess over crazy things.
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it means too many people obsess over crazy things.

Fair enough - some people, myself included, demand consistency and excellence in products.. As noted earlier, when walking by mine it was noticeably slanted backwards (awkwardly so) thats why i brought it up. Did not notice this problem at BB and the video commercial also demonstrates how i assume it "should" look. Don't think there is anything crazy about it and thought it was worth mentioning.

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^^^ So you are looking at the X900B Sony also ?

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^^^ So you are looking at the X900B Sony also ?

Always been open to the 900B/HU9000 - I was initially worried about banding since I went through 2 w850's had the problem so I decided on the HU9000 (the excellent reviews didn't hurt either). Panels on both my HU9000 sets have been excellent no complaints in that department so a big + to Samsung on that especially with it being curved. But, the 900B looks really beautiful, whats really keeping me from Sony is my personal history w/the vertical banding problem, lack of the one connect box (or something like it), and lower peak brightness compared to the Samsung (I like my picture super bright and contrast rich). I also read that customer support with the 900A/Sony in general/ was lacking for those who had issues..

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I question if I should have gotten the 900B as well from all of the positive reviews, but I really don't want the thick speakers mounted to my TV, and I also am a fan of the one connect box, with the prospect of it keeping my TV updated with new features/codecs.

 

From the hdtvtest review, it looks like the 9005B (900B) narrowly edges out the HU9000 in areas of backlight uniformity, 3D, input lag... but the key word is "narrowly".  

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd55x9005b-201405123771.htm

 

Also people seem to constantly tout the curve as a negative, but I personally do not mind it.  I think it adds a bit of pop to the image if you sit head on, and it certainly doesn't detract in any major way.

 

Even with the glowing reviews of the sony, I am still happy w/ my purchase.  Other HU9000 owners that got good screens seems mostly happy as well.  I doubt most high-end flagship 4Ks will not have any dramatic differences, unless you maybe get into 950B or X900U territory, which are insanely expensive FALDs.

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So far I have found the following issues being discussed: Vertical banding, Motion blur, light bleeding at lower edges, clouding issues, judder issues, flashing/ flash lighting,fan noise, skipping problems, bad up-scaling on SD and HD images,need for calibration adjustments on different feeds, panel trim defects, voice control deficiencies, and lack of available 4K content. 

 

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it means too many people obsess over crazy things.

 

When you are spending $5,000 of your own money on a TV - you can "obsess over [any] crazy things" you want!

 

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When you are spending $5,000 of your own money on a TV - you can "obsess over [any] crazy things" you want!

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Agreed. These are expensive purchases smile.gif
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It is going to be very interesting to see how the new Samsung 78" is going to compare with the new Sony 79"...

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Greetings all,

I’m having an issue that I can’t work out. Everything was fine with the following configuration:

TV: Samsung HL61A750A (older DLP 61”).
AVR: Denon AVR-X3000.
HTPC (home build) w/ASROCK Z87 Extreme 4 M/B, I5-4670K CPU.
New HDMI cable throughout.
I’m using the onboard graphics of the CPU.

Yesterday, I got my brand new TV. Samsung UN65HU8500 (Costco version of UN65HU8550?).
Cable and Bluray working great. The home theater PC however, is not working. No video. TV shows message on-screen saying “no signal”. I do get sound though. I know this because when I click the arrows on my Logitech keyboard (linked to the PC), I can hear the XBMC “boop” as the main menu changes with my clicks.

Another point: When I hit the reset button on my HTPC, the PC reboots and I can SEE AND HEAR Windows rebooting on the TV, but once the PC is about booted up, the video disappears!
Is it the Denon? Is it the new TV? Remember, this all worked fine with the old TV.
Anyone? Anyone?

Thanks
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Greetings all,

I’m having an issue that I can’t work out. Everything was fine with the following configuration:

TV: Samsung HL61A750A (older DLP 61”).
AVR: Denon AVR-X3000.
HTPC (home build) w/ASROCK Z87 Extreme 4 M/B, I5-4670K CPU.
New HDMI cable throughout.
I’m using the onboard graphics of the CPU.

Yesterday, I got my brand new TV. Samsung UN65HU8500 (Costco version of UN65HU8550?).
Cable and Bluray working great. The home theater PC however, is not working. No video. TV shows message on-screen saying “no signal”. I do get sound though. I know this because when I click the arrows on my Logitech keyboard (linked to the PC), I can hear the XBMC “boop” as the main menu changes with my clicks.

Another point: When I hit the reset button on my HTPC, the PC reboots and I can SEE AND HEAR Windows rebooting on the TV, but once the PC is about booted up, the video disappears!
Is it the Denon? Is it the new TV? Remember, this all worked fine with the old TV.
Anyone? Anyone?

Thanks

 

Try to boot your htpc into safe mode.  You may need to delete and re-add your video card drivers.  Also, to get the most out of your htpc, you may need to upgrade your vid card to something more current that easily supports 4K resolution.  You still won't be able to exceed 4K @ 30Hz, until hdmi 2.0 cards come up (hopefully soon).

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I saw the sony 900B and 950B in the sony store today.  The 900B I immediately was turned off by the massive bezel that seemed to make the screen look smaller, since the speakers took up so much of the space.  The 950B looked incredible, but it's simply out of my price range.

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I saw the sony 900B and 950B in the sony store today.  The 900B I immediately was turned off by the massive bezel that seemed to make the screen look smaller, since the speakers took up so much of the space.  The 950B looked incredible, but it's simply out of my price range.

 

Strange... everyone else who I have talked with states the exact opposite...

 

That the inclusion of the larger bezel (to include the great speakers) makes the screen look larger...

 

And gives the TV that "floating" look that is associated with larger black bezels...

 

To each his own!

 

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Strange... everyone else who I have talked with states the exact opposite...

 

That the inclusion of the larger bezel (to include the great speakers) makes the screen look larger...

 

And gives the TV that "floating" look that is associated with larger black bezels...

 

To each his own!

 

:D 

 

Both the 950B and 900B were 65" screens and were side-by-side.  The picture on the 950B looked noticeably larger, due to the thinner bezel and exclusion of the speakers.  Though that could have just been an optical illusion...

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Both the 950B and 900B were 65" screens and were side-by-side.  The picture on the 950B looked noticeably larger, due to the thinner bezel and exclusion of the speakers.  Though that could have just been an optical illusion...

 

When I saw the 900 - the 850 was directly UNDER the 900 and the 900's picture looked noticeably larger...

 

I even made that comment and another person looking at it stated the same thing...

 

So, like I said before, to each his own!

 

However, this is the Samsung thread - so probably should get back to the HU9000... :p

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when i was comparing the HU9000 to the 900B i asked at least 10 friends.. all were more impressed with the HU9000s look (i personally think the 900B looks beautiful) but just within my circle, I seemed to be the minority - most complaints came from the fact that the bezel looks huge with the side mounted speakers as a previous poster mentioned.. If one were to compare what appears to "look" larger the HU9000 will beat out any flat TV since its curved towards the eye - gives the illusion of a large TV - my gf and I noticed this at BB where they had a f9000 set up next to a HU9000, at first we thought the HU9000 was a 70in (but it was the same size as the f9000 - 65in).

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For those of us who only care about picture quality, which had a better picture?
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So after spending several nights last week hacking through all 52 pages of this forum and reading all the background on all the praise and grumbling on the HU8550 i acted on an impulse today and became a test monkey. fingers crossed on no vertical banding, no damage, and no other glitchyness. I can live with the lag as this is my main floor show off panel to watch upconverted CFL games (GO RIDERS!!!). i can live with the bottom light bleeding since it's only software dimming and i am sure its gonna be way better blacks than '05 samsung LCD 32" or my '09 KDX? 46" LED bravia. As long as i don't get a glaring halo blaring at me in the middle of the screen i am easy to please.

 

i'll be gaming with my old school ps3 on AC4 black flag on the bravia so lag is no issue for me, most i'll do is probably screen mirror my coleco emulator on my samsung s3 phone to this baby. ridiculous i know but like i said i am easy to please.

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I was really only planning to look at the 65" and gock at it to the salesman and have small talk on tech talk of the new ones coming. But they offered me the 310W samsung sound bar with sub and blu-ray player with the 75" 8550 for $4500 + tax so i acted on the impulse of being able to forego waiting 16 months for it to get to the price and now i am another 75" HU8550 test monkey waiting for shipment.

 

Fingers crossed on getting a half decent panel with no crazy issues.

 

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thanks for all the info on setup and recommended settings and things to watch out for on the test drive!

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For those of us who only care about picture quality, which had a better picture?
well I spent the better part of 2 hours today going between the u9000, and 900b. Both were 65". I've been lucky enough to have this magical 5k people complain about spending so I will go with the best tv I can buy. The motion on the 900b seemed better. The contrast levels on the u9000 were better. Both were amazing. However after the constant bashing the u9000 gets in its owner forum I've decided to go sony. The constant issues and complaints have convinced me this is not the set for me. First non Samsung I will own in 10 years. But can't wait.
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What is the consensus of this board as to the picture quality differences between the HU9000 and the HU8550? Enough to justify the price difference?
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I have been following this thread with a lot of interest in discovering the problems being encountered with the HU8550 and the HU9000. So far I have found the following issues being discussed: Vertical banding, Motion blur, light bleeding at lower edges, clouding issues, judder issues, flashing/ flash lighting,fan noise, skipping problems, bad up-scaling on SD and HD images,need for calibration adjustments on different feeds, panel trim defects, voice control deficiencies, and lack of available 4K content. As such, most of you decided to keep the TVs. I am in the market to replace my 2008 73" Mitsubishi DLP and have been waiting for the Samsung 75" or 78" 4K to be released in the next few weeks. Money isn't the problem but I would like a hassle free experience if possible. Is it better to buy from BB or online and are the extended warranties worth the dollars?

I know this isn't the right form for this and I may get some mean replies, but have you considered looking at Sony? Samsung is cutting edge when it comes to a lot of their tech. Their smart TV and upgradability give them that edge on the competition. That being said, that all tends to come at a cost sometimes. I'm not saying Sony is a perfect angel, but I've seen them do quite a bit better from a QC/reliability standpoint than many of the other players.

With all that said, I've got tabs for the 900B and this thread open side-by-side for a reason. biggrin.gif Trying to look between the two and decide. Some things I like better on the Samsung and some the Sony.

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I finally saw the 78" HU9000 at BestBuy today. I was floored!

This thing would be simply amazing for flight sims. Now of course I come here to find out about all this input lag problems. I can take up to two frames (~33ms) of input lag, but nothing over that. These 60-80ms numbers in GAME mode being tossed around are atrocious!

I read people playing PC games on the HU9000 series, can I ask how? Since there are no HDMI 2.0 video cards out yet, and these sets don't have Displayport, are you playing at 4K @ 30 Hz? If so, 30Hz would be another complete no-go for me. I would buy this TV instantly if the input lag could be reduced to reasonable...
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Nice!

 

Can't wait to demo the 78" Sammy next to the 79" Sony!

 

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I finally saw the 78" HU9000 at BestBuy today. I was floored!

This thing would be simply amazing for flight sims. Now of course I come here to find out about all this input lag problems. I can take up to two frames (~33ms) of input lag, but nothing over that. These 60-80ms numbers in GAME mode being tossed around are atrocious!

I read people playing PC games on the HU9000 series, can I ask how? Since there are no HDMI 2.0 video cards out yet, and these sets don't have Displayport, are you playing at 4K @ 30 Hz? If so, 30Hz would be another complete no-go for me. I would buy this TV instantly if the input lag could be reduced to reasonable...

The only possible way I can see possibly running over 60hz is getting a display port to hdmi adapter. Idk if it would work I haven't tried this could possibly be a way. It's kind of odd becuase even the new AMD R9 290 vapor-x card only comes with display port and hdmi 1.4a.
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I finally saw the 78" HU9000 at BestBuy today. I was floored!

This thing would be simply amazing for flight sims. Now of course I come here to find out about all this input lag problems. I can take up to two frames (~33ms) of input lag, but nothing over that. These 60-80ms numbers in GAME mode being tossed around are atrocious!

I read people playing PC games on the HU9000 series, can I ask how? Since there are no HDMI 2.0 video cards out yet, and these sets don't have Displayport, are you playing at 4K @ 30 Hz? If so, 30Hz would be another complete no-go for me. I would buy this TV instantly if the input lag could be reduced to reasonable...

Yup, limited to 30 Hz for now, until a GPU comes out with HDMI 2.0 ports or an active DP -> HDMI 2.0 adapter comes out.

 

About the input lag, I wonder if it is less running at native res, all reviews I've seen didn't note if they were running at 1080p or 4K. I'd assume the upscaler introduces quite a bit of lag.

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