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Why are these TV's bundled up in one thread -- I'm guessing they have the same dimming? One is curved and one isn't. Is the screen uniformity the same? Has anyone in this thread owned a f8000 and upgraded to a 8550 and seen better screen uniformity?

 

I dont like curved so Im honestly debating this TV and the new AX8000 by Panasonic, wondering which has better screen uniformity (most in the case of clouding/flashlighting). Can anyone offer up some opinions or facts? 

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According to the specs listed you are supposed to get 70 hours of viewing per battery.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs-accessories/SSG-5150GB/ZA

The manual says you should shut off after use.. guess its not auto shut off? More odd a long hold is to power on, a short press is to power down (feel like its opposite with almost every other electronic I've owned).
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can you guys recommend 3d glasses that are also compatible with this set?  The stock glasses' battery gets flat after 3 or 4 uses.  It's frustrating.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs-accessories/SSG-3570CR/ZA - these are the current rechargeable 3D glasses Samsung sells, it works with the HU series.

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I see.  Yes, I was going off the on-screen indication.  Mine is well into the red already after very little use.

I suppose it's not a huge deal if the battery really is still okay, but samsung should fix this annoying bug.

Keep in mind you HAVE TO turn off the glasses every time when you're done otherwise they stay ON!
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Happy to report CEVA did not smash my tv while delivering it.  

 

Did not notice any considerable lag while playing Fifa (Ps4) or Forza5 (Xbone).

 

Still working on getting the picture settings just right, ordered that Disney WOW thing Vega OLED suggested.  

 

Also I noticed while watching House of Cards in 4k it looked liked sped up movements, is this an issue with streaming content or a setting on the TV?

 

Thanks in Advance!

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Hu9000 = heaven. Clearly the better of the 2. I will try to upload some 4k comparison footage soon. Picture is so damn deep looking on the hu9000. So good.
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Hu9000 = heaven. Clearly the better of the 2. I will try to upload some 4k comparison footage soon. Picture is so damn deep looking on the hu9000. So good.

What are you comparing the hu9000 to?
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Does anybody have the 75HU8550? I have seen the 65 but not the 75. Any comments on the panel vs the 65. I have enough space for the 75 in the cabinet and thus it could be a perfect fit. I could also fit the Sony 65x900b. They are both the same approximate width with the 75 a little taller. I would rather get the additional 10 inches of screen size (I would think) given that I have a very good sound system and don't need the side speakers of the Sony even though I like what I have seen recently when viewing it.

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Does anybody have the 75HU8550? I have seen the 65 but not the 75. Any comments on the panel vs the 65. I have enough space for the 75 in the cabinet and thus it could be a perfect fit. I could also fit the Sony 65x900b. They are both the same approximate width with the 75 a little taller. I would rather get the additional 10 inches of screen size (I would think) given that I have a very good sound system and don't need the side speakers of the Sony even though I like what I have seen recently when viewing it.

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Does anybody have the 75HU8550? I have seen the 65 but not the 75. Any comments on the panel vs the 65. I have enough space for the 75 in the cabinet and thus it could be a perfect fit. I could also fit the Sony 65x900b. They are both the same approximate width with the 75 a little taller. I would rather get the additional 10 inches of screen size (I would think) given that I have a very good sound system and don't need the side speakers of the Sony even though I like what I have seen recently when viewing it.

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I saw it ant frys and it is very nice. I could not check their settings, no remote but they were only running a bluray, no 4K and it still looked great. Compared to the Sony, better black and vowing angle but hard to really tell because the Sony had 4k material and was across the room.
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I originally purchased the 65" but my wife wanted a larger screen, so I upgraded to the 75". Both sets produce incredible-looking images. I can't say that I appreciate any differences in image quality between the two sets.

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I originally purchased the 65" but my wife wanted a larger screen, so I upgraded to the 75". Both sets produce incredible-looking images. I can't say that I appreciate any differences in image quality between the two sets.
How far do you sit from the screen and has the larger screen provided more impact viewing 4K?
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How far do you sit from the screen and has the larger screen provided more impact viewing 4K?

I sit 12 feet from my TV and the extra screen real estate definitely has a positive impact on viewing 4k material. It looks stunning! I have to confess that I was a 4k doubter after reading that I'd have to sit 6 feet away from the screen to appreciate the difference between 4k and 1080p. Those 4k calculators are totally wrong! 4k content looks so much better than 1080p content, even at twice the recommended viewing distance. I just wish there was more 4k content available.

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Why are these TV's bundled up in one thread -- I'm guessing they have the same dimming? One is curved and one isn't. Is the screen uniformity the same? Has anyone in this thread owned a f8000 and upgraded to a 8550 and seen better screen uniformity? 
There are so many variables that I would hat to say that is a question no one can answer . Unit variation would kill this question. Every single unit that's rolls off the line will have uniformity issues to some degree..........
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Happy to report CEVA did not smash my tv while delivering it.  

Did not notice any considerable lag while playing Fifa (Ps4) or Forza5 (Xbone).

Still working on getting the picture settings just right, ordered that Disney WOW thing Vega OLED suggested.  

Also I noticed while watching House of Cards in 4k it looked liked sped up movements, is this an issue with streaming content or a setting on the TV?

Thanks in Advance!

Sounds like a case of the soap opera effect. I don't have the TV so I can't help with what to change.

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Sounds like a case of the soap opera effect. I don't have the TV so I can't help with what to change.

Thanks rlindo.  At least I now know what to call it. 

 

Anyone know of a counter for the soap opera effect?

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Thanks rlindo.  At least I now know what to call it. 

Anyone know of a counter for the soap opera effect?

I just downloaded the manual and I believe it'll be under "auto motion plus" which is in menu>picture>picture options

Try turning that off (assuming it's on and is the cause) and hopefully it solves this issue. If it does then you may want to try out the different options or use custom and set judder to 0 or a low amount and blur reduction (I think it is called that...is on my D630 from a few years ago) to 10. That should help with motion while not adding in any funky soap opera effect issues.



On an unrelated note, it's amusing to me how the section on picture settings these days are near the back of the manuals as picture mode settings start at page 141. I have checked out a new Panasonic model's manual and it was the same thing with all the non image quality app/"smart" stuff taking up the first half. rolleyes.gif

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Thanks rlindo.  At least I now know what to call it. 

Anyone know of a counter for the soap opera effect?

Go to Picture, Picture Options, Auto Motion Plus. Try some of the presets. I think it is better to use, Custom, Blur Reduction - 10 or less, Judder 5 or less. I don't recommend turning it off. You would see a lot of judder.

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Guys

I have a 65F8000 as my everyday TV and just brought home a 75HU8550 and they are sitting basically on top of each other so I can watch both at the same time. I attached some pics so you can see what I am doing.

I have spent hours trying to get the HU8550 to look close the the F8000 and its still not there. The F8000 black levels and contrast is so so good I had hoped that the HU would be the same or better and its not. I was a serious Plasma guy until last year when I finally submitted and brought home the F8000 which for me was able to replace my VT60 and make me happy enough to enjoy TV on an LED set. The Colors on the F8000 are excellent and have kept us very happy and being in the business I just wanted the latest greatest and a little bigger. Not much to ask for right ?

I figured the HU8550 is a year newer , 4K and loads of new processing etc and has to be better. Well I am not sure the real answer as there is alot to this puzzle. The HU8550 and even the H7150 have a new set of colors to deal with. I use Natural as my test picture setting as I like it the most on the F8000. Natural on the HU and H are very different.. The Skin tones are slightly more real but the color pop is gone. Its much more sedate and just doesn't have the punch the F8000 Has. Is this by design possibly ? Maybe so ? I have a strange feeling samsung is possibly toning down their excited color and pop of the F8000 and trying to make these sets look more plasma like or lets set more Theater like.

I changed the mode to Standard which allowed for picture options changes and did some real tweaking and having the F8000 right above it I was able to match the color pretty close. Probably 90% to the F8000. I just wanted to see if I could make it look like a F8000 on Natural. It made me feel a little better that I was able to get the picture close to the F although maybe I could get used the HU..

I am in a situation where I want to move my F8000 out and move up to the 75" HU or even do the 78 curved 9000 and I am totally up in the air as to what to do. I had hoped that the HU would have blown away my F8000 but it doesn't. Is it because 4K tv's just dont look as good as high end 2K tv's ? I dont know but that is what it seems like to me. I want bigger and better and 4K would be nice although, considering 99.9999 percent of what I watch will be 2K for now, the 4K thing doesn't really help as you see here. Why do we need 4K sets for the hope we will have a single show to watch in 4K like house of cards from netflix ? I am not sure but people seems to want them. Would I rather have an Awesome 2K set thats a newer model with the Quad processor and split screen etc ? YES

Bottom line - The 75HU8550 for the price might be a good choice as I get the Size I want and the Quad processor and faster apps etc but I have to learn to live with this new picture level which is not as good as last years tvs.

Suggestions welcome smile.gif

I am going to look at the Sony XBR70X850B also but I had the 850A last year for about 10 minutes and it was the worst TV I have ever seen. Hoping they fixed it.

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Sorry for the window glare I just shot the daytime photo so you guys can see how i have them setup..
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If your going over 70" id stick with 4k, also the HU9000 is supposed to have better black Levels than the 8550. If your looking at sony the 900b seems much nicer than the 850 if you don't mind the speaker.
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Happy to report CEVA did not smash my tv while delivering it.  

Did not notice any considerable lag while playing Fifa (Ps4) or Forza5 (Xbone).

Still working on getting the picture settings just right, ordered that Disney WOW thing Vega OLED suggested.  

Also I noticed while watching House of Cards in 4k it looked liked sped up movements, is this an issue with streaming content or a setting on the TV?

Thanks in Advance!

I don't have your display, but I do have the Samsung F8500 plasma which has similar settings. You might want to take a look at your motion settings. If yours is set to "Smooth", try a different setting or 'off' and see if that helps.
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I have a 65F8000 as my everyday TV and just brought home a 75HU8550 and they are sitting basically on top of each other so I can watch both at the same time. I attached some pics so you can see what I am doing.

I have spent hours trying to get the HU8550 to look close the the F8000 and its still not there. The F8000 black levels and contrast is so so good I had hoped that the HU would be the same or better and its not. I was a serious Plasma guy until last year when I finally submitted and brought home the F8000 which for me was able to replace my VT60 and make me happy enough to enjoy TV on an LED set. The Colors on the F8000 are excellent and have kept us very happy and being in the business I just wanted the latest greatest and a little bigger. Not much to ask for right ?

I figured the HU8550 is a year newer , 4K and loads of new processing etc and has to be better. Well I am not sure the real answer as there is alot to this puzzle. The HU8550 and even the H7150 have a new set of colors to deal with. I use Natural as my test picture setting as I like it the most on the F8000. Natural on the HU and H are very different.. The Skin tones are slightly more real but the color pop is gone. Its much more sedate and just doesn't have the punch the F8000 Has. Is this by design possibly ? Maybe so ? I have a strange feeling samsung is possibly toning down their excited color and pop of the F8000 and trying to make these sets look more plasma like or lets set more Theater like.

Great post!

Interestingly, one review on the new Samsung said almost exactly what you said! However they said it in a very positive way in that they felt prior Samsungs were a bit 'over the top'. So when they said that apparently Samsung was trying to achieve a more 'plasma-like' picture, they applauded Samsung for that. They liked it!

So perhaps you should just look at the 75HU8550 on its own for a while and then go back and look at the F8000. You too might then think that 8000 was a bit over the top and the new 8500 hits the mark for accuracy a bit better. smile.gif

I do have one questions. Are you saying the black levels are visibly poorer than they were in last year's model?
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I changed the mode to Standard which allowed for picture options changes and did some real tweaking and having the F8000 right above it I was able to match the color pretty close. Probably 90% to the F8000. I just wanted to see if I could make it look like a F8000 on Natural. It made me feel a little better that I was able to get the picture close to the F although maybe I could get used the HU..

I am in a situation where I want to move my F8000 out and move up to the 75" HU or even do the 78 curved 9000 and I am totally up in the air as to what to do. I had hoped that the HU would have blown away my F8000 but it doesn't. Is it because 4K tv's just dont look as good as high end 2K tv's ? I dont know but that is what it seems like to me. I want bigger and better and 4K would be nice although, considering 99.9999 percent of what I watch will be 2K for now, the 4K thing doesn't really help as you see here. Why do we need 4K sets for the hope we will have a single show to watch in 4K like house of cards from netflix ? I am not sure but people seems to want them. Would I rather have an Awesome 2K set thats a newer model with the Quad processor and split screen etc ? YES

Bottom line - The 75HU8550 for the price might be a good choice as I get the Size I want and the Quad processor and faster apps etc but I have to learn to live with this new picture level which is not as good as last years tvs.

Suggestions welcome smile.gif

I am going to look at the Sony XBR70X850B also but I had the 850A last year for about 10 minutes and it was the worst TV I have ever seen. Hoping they fixed it.

Craig

Again, I think the issue is more of a greater plasma-like picture that's got you second guessing. As for 4K, I'm a big believer in it but I also have a 4K camcorder and thus I can create as much content as I like. But I also believe it makes more sense, if you're spending this kind of money, to make the set more 'future-proof' and that's what 4K does. I only see it as a positive, but that's me.
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http://www.avforums.com/threads/samsung-ue55hu7500-reviewers-recommended-best-settings.1882687/

 

 

Samsung hu8550 Settings... It states its the 7500 but its the same tv just the Europe model number of the 8550. 

 

Use these settings..  He is a professional reviewer.  I have Disney WOW a calibration disc, that does all but the colors.   The disc proves his settings are on the money.  Use his color scale as well, with the disc you get a filter.  The filter does not let you change the colors individuals but shows if they are correct.  His calibration is spot on.  Some do not agree with the gamma but I use a dark room especially when watching movies so 2.4 is right on for me and not 2.2. 

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I just downloaded the manual and I believe it'll be under "auto motion plus" which is in menu>picture>picture options

Try turning that off (assuming it's on and is the cause) and hopefully it solves this issue. If it does then you may want to try out the different options or use custom and set judder to 0 or a low amount and blur reduction (I think it is called that...is on my D630 from a few years ago) to 10. That should help with motion while not adding in any funky soap opera effect issues.



On an unrelated note, it's amusing to me how the section on picture settings these days are near the back of the manuals as picture mode settings start at page 141. I have checked out a new Panasonic model's manual and it was the same thing with all the non image quality app/"smart" stuff taking up the first half. rolleyes.gif

 

 

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Go to Picture, Picture Options, Auto Motion Plus. Try some of the presets. I think it is better to use, Custom, Blur Reduction - 10 or less, Judder 5 or less. I don't recommend turning it off. You would see a lot of judder.

 

 

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I don't have your display, but I do have the Samsung F8500 plasma which has similar settings. You might want to take a look at your motion settings. If yours is set to "Smooth", try a different setting or 'off' and see if that helps.

 

 

Thank you all for the info.  Motion setting is currently set to smooth, I till try different options and see if I can correct it.  Currently running the pixel flipper on the disney WOW disk (Thanks to Vegas OLED for this little tool it seems to work really well), as I discovered a pretty nasty hot spot during the purity test.

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http://www.avforums.com/threads/samsung-ue55hu7500-reviewers-recommended-best-settings.1882687/

 

 

Samsung hu8550 Settings... It states its the 7500 but its the same tv just the Europe model number of the 8550. 

 

Use these settings..  He is a professional reviewer.  I have Disney WOW a calibration disc, that does all but the colors.   The disc proves his settings are on the money.  Use his color scale as well, with the disc you get a filter.  The filter does not let you change the colors individuals but shows if they are correct.  His calibration is spot on.  Some do not agree with the gamma but I use a dark room especially when watching movies so 2.4 is right on for me and not 2.2. 

Cag Thanks for this!

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   Hello guys, been reading this tread for days now since I'm the new owner of a 8550.

 

   Now, I'm having a hard time calibrating it to my liking, the main thing I do not like is the fact that I keep getting this "artifacts" in the dark areas (I've tried the settings on page 30, and the ones that were just posted) they drive me crazy!

 

I took this pics with my iPhone, while playing Fast and Furious 6 with the HBO app, I took the first picture in a slight angle to help the camera show what I see.

 

 

 

    I would love to be able to eliminate this "pixilated shadows", they are driving me so crazy, that I'm considering returning the tv, is like I do not watch anything any more, I just spend the entire time detailing the PQ and looking for defects, I  even seen them while playing 4k videos from Netflix.

 

   I also have the light leak, but given the design of the TV, and how much it is, I can live with that.

 

 

   Thank you in advance.

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   Hello guys, been reading this tread for days now since I'm the new owner of a 8550.

   Now, I'm having a hard time calibrating it to my liking, the main thing I do not like is the fact that I keep getting this "artifacts" in the dark areas (I've tried the settings on page 30, and the ones that were just posted) they drive me crazy!

I took this pics with my iPhone, while playing Fast and Furious 6 with the HBO app, I took the first picture in a slight angle to help the camera show what I see.







    I would love to be able to eliminate this "pixilated shadows", they are driving me so crazy, that I'm considering returning the tv, is like I do not watch anything any more, I just spend the entire time detailing the PQ and looking for defects, I  even seen them while playing 4k videos from Netflix.

   I also have the light leak, but given the design of the TV, and how much it is, I can live with that.


   Thank you in advance.

Hmmm. I had a similar experience with my f8000. I noticed artifacts like those when I had The Dark Knight Rises on (HBO) So I then threw in the blu-ray went to that scene and didn't see it. So I'm wondering if this is more of a source issue. Maybe start with trying what I did and finding something on that you own on disk and compare the scenes.

But now I have the H8000 and haven't seen it at all, so it could be a panel issue. :-\ I'm probably not helping much... Sorry.
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   Hello guys, been reading this tread for days now since I'm the new owner of a 8550.

 

   Now, I'm having a hard time calibrating it to my liking, the main thing I do not like is the fact that I keep getting this "artifacts" in the dark areas (I've tried the settings on page 30, and the ones that were just posted) they drive me crazy!

 

I took this pics with my iPhone, while playing Fast and Furious 6 with the HBO app, I took the first picture in a slight angle to help the camera show what I see.

I would love to be able to eliminate this "pixilated shadows", they are driving me so crazy, that I'm considering returning the tv, is like I do not watch anything any more, I just spend the entire time detailing the PQ and looking for defects, I  even seen them while playing 4k videos from Netflix.

 

   I also have the light leak, but given the design of the TV, and how much it is, I can live with that.

 

 

   Thank you in advance.


Not that I have this tv but that happens to me when I watch online content sometimes. I think it has more to do with that then the tv... Try a blu-Ray like suggested.



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Do you see that with blu-ray content? If not, it's almost surely the compression of the streaming/online source.

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Hmmm. I had a similar experience with my f8000. I noticed artifacts like those when I had The Dark Knight Rises on (HBO) So I then threw in the blu-ray went to that scene and didn't see it. So I'm wondering if this is more of a source issue. Maybe start with trying what I did and finding something on that you own on disk and compare the scenes.

But now I have the H8000 and haven't seen it at all, so it could be a panel issue. :-\ I'm probably not helping much... Sorry.
It is likely compression artifacts. I have noticed the same thing while watching HBO on Uverse as well. I have the F9000 and see none of these issues while gaming or with blu-ray.
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I checked that scene on a 65 8550 with a 1080P rip. It looks like compression artifacts. I didn't see as much as in your screenshots. Hard to notice when I was looking when looking straight on.
Try it with Smart LED set to high. And or with the MPEG Noise Filter on.

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Bottom line - The 75HU8550 for the price might be a good choice as I get the Size I want and the Quad processor and faster apps etc but I have to learn to live with this new picture level which is not as good as last years tvs.
The HU8550 series have a great price for sure.........
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