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Using the Harmony remote, when I power up the 9000/system (Onkyo receiver) initially the cable/Sat comes on I see the pic and hear the sound.... then my receiver switches to TV/CD as I think the ARC is dominating and I have no pic (this doesn't happen for Blu-ray) and HDMI3 seems disconnected(no pic). After refreshing the screen the cable / sat (Directv) is again selected and it stays on fine.


If I get a receiver with Dual HDMI outputs and run one for ARC (HDMI 3)and the other for all else (HDMI 1) the problem should be solved..right??


Thanks for your advice

Use optical digital from the display output to the receiver (instead of ARC). Turn off HDMI CEC. I'll bet your problems go away.
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Can't wait to find one of these in the garbage over a $3.05 capacitor.
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I have my 8550, watched gravity -- turned the movie mode backlight to 8 and you will notice washing out on the bottom letterbox (for this movie in particular) in certain scenes, the blacks do indeed change (in a dimmed room).
I think better adjustments will give you a better black level, which includes blacker letterbox bars. I gave my settings above in this thread. I find that the main way to improve black level is to turn down the Brightness control until any grays-for-blacks are suppressed. Then concentrate on lightening the rest of the picture so more details can be seen. I have the Backlight control rather high -- at 15. Note that Dynamic Contrast limits contrast between light and dark, according to the TV's note, so you would not want to turn this up. Turn Gamma up.

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Angry 78" HU9000 hits the box stores in Canada

interestingly both best buy and visions are listing the 78" at $10,999.

guess they are looking to take huge margins on the new flagships since ncix is listing the same tv with free shipping at $7,999.

Criminals....
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I have my 8550, watched gravity -- turned the movie mode backlight to 8 and you will notice washing out on the bottom letterbox (for this movie in particular) in certain scenes, the blacks do indeed change (in a dimmed room).
I think better adjustments will give you a better black level, which includes blacker letterbox bars. I gave my settings above in this thread. I find that the main way to improve black level is to turn down the Brightness control until any grays-for-blacks are suppressed. Then concentrate on lightening the rest of the picture so more details can be seen. I have the Backlight control rather high -- at 15. Note that Dynamic Contrast limits contrast between light and dark, according to the TV's note, so you would not want to turn this up. Turn Gamma up.
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Looks like no dd 5.1 or dts passes through the tv unless you use dts 2:5 i went back and checked VUDU it also outputs stereo as do movies on thumb drive. I'm beginning to wonder if I have bum tv.
I would try a smart hub reset. I'd bet that would solve the issue.
Menu, smart hub, smart hub reset.

Note that when watching movies from USB, it won't select the surround mode automatically. Like if you watch a DD movie then a DTS. You have to select it manually.
Firstly doctorwizz thank you for the pointers your assistance is much appreciated!


Ok after smart hub reset DD works with VUDU. Netflix shows up as DD on receiver but sound output is only stereo, yes I made sure the show I was watching was 5.1. There is not option to select anything other than stereo in the app. USB and DLNA have DD and DTS working. DirecTV does not pass DD yes I check to make sure its on in Directv settings when i plug it into my receiver it does DD. I think the problem with netflix is that the samsung app for it does not let you choose a DD 5.1 sound feed to send to the receiver. Thanks for the reset tip it fixed most of the problems. I don't think Netflix will ever output more than just stereo with out choosing the DTS 2:5 (which is a DTS version of prologic) until the app is updated. As far as DirecTV I have seen this before with my previous TV not passing DD for DirecTV. I know that DD will pass-through the TV from HDMI to HDMI-ARC cause it does it with my XBOX.
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Lost Picture

I have had my UN65HU9000 since shortly after it came out. I have been generally pleased, especially after learning on this forum how to tweak the picture settings.

Tonight I had been watching a movie from my Apple TV for about two hours when I suddenly lost the picture, totally gone. I could still hear sound which comes from my receiver. Sound is not passed through the TV at all. It comes directly from the sources. I tried pulling up the TV menu and got nothing. I could still see the white power light on in the center, bottom of the TV. The turned the TV off and on, white light went off and on but still no picture. Power cycled the TV, still no picture. I tried multiple sources and could not get a picture with anything. In any event, how could it be anything but the TV if I can't pull up the TV's menu?

Has anyone had the TV just totally lose their picture?
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Sorry. It's here: OFFICIAL Samsung 4k HU8550 and HU9000 thread

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I have had my UN65HU9000 since shortly after it came out. I have been generally pleased, especially after learning on this forum how to tweak the picture settings.

Has anyone had the TV just totally lose their picture?
I've had it occur where I've lost picture or sound but it usually recovers via a restart or reseating the HDMI cable.

I attribute my issue more with Comcast and the Cisco DVR HD boxes and recent upgrades they've had problems with as it occurs periodically on all four LCD's in my home and it's a PITA, these cable boxes also have a 3 second delay when changing channels that's a pain when you have hundreds of channels and I've had their Techs out over it and they say it's caused by an upgrade rollout done recently and they have no fix for it yet with these Cisco boxes in Florida region but if I schedule and upgrade to X1 homerun system it could resolve these events. I'm just saying that when they switched me to these Cisco units I've had tons of issues since whereas the old boxes were much more trouble free.

Test a BluRay or video game to see if you get picture via those other source types. Replace the HDMI with a known working one also to diagnostically pinpoint if it's the TV, cable, or other interface. Good Luck!

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interestingly both best buy and visions are listing the 78" at $10,999.

guess they are looking to take huge margins on the new flagships since ncix is listing the same tv with free shipping at $7,999.

Criminals....
the pricing of most sets in Canada is criminal. I've seen this set for $7,999 with a BR player and a soundbar. if last years Sony pricing pattern follows on this set, expect it to be sub $6,000 by August.
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If I get a receiver with Dual HDMI outputs and run one for ARC (HDMI 3)and the other for all else (HDMI 1) the problem should be solved..right??



I don't think that would work. Because even if you use HDMI 1, it will still switch to TV/CD unless you turn off HDMI-CED.
On my 8550, I have CEC on. I don't use the ARC HDMI 4 input.
My PC is on HDMI 2. My Denon AVR is on HDMI 1. Whenever I switch to PC, the AVR switches to TV. Even though my remote is macro'd to change AVR to PC and HDMI to HDMI 2. So I just have to press PC on the remote to change it from TV.
I could change the remotes macro to HDMI 2, PC, TV(only changes the remote's mode to TV, not the AVR input.), PC. Or I could turn off CEC.

Can't you just press Cable/Sat on the remote again after it changes to TV/CD?[/QUOTE]

Yes, that is what I am currently doing.. but I need to wait the 2 minutes until it cycles from normal to no picture..then hit HELP on the remote and it resets. I'll probably use an optical feed.
My hope was to run one HDMI output to Input 3 (ARC) when viewing the Samsung aps/Netflix and the second output to HDMI 1 (cable/Sat)


Thank you all so much for the suggestions
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interestingly both best buy and visions are listing the 78" at $10,999.

guess they are looking to take huge margins on the new flagships since ncix is listing the same tv with free shipping at $7,999.

Criminals....
I take it you do not live near the border ?
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canadian prices

I do live near the border but the issue is that even with all the savings from down south (even when you account for us losing 8 or 9 cents a dollar with exchange) you still are spending a decent amount of money of which you can't have a warranty. Any box store here like best buy will throw you the middle finger as soon as they see an american receipt.

Although i am usually in the camp of, if it made it passed the infantile mortality rate of about 30 days, its probably good for the time you intend to keep it; the issues documented in this forum for the 8550 and the fact that it's twice what i have ever thrown down on a tv ever before makes it a hard case to gamble on a U.S. purchase with no in store warranty (yes of course you still have the manufacturer 1 year warranty, but that's not exactly ideal to deal with).

NCIX shows the 75" 8550 as presently back ordered of course but at $6000, to which i got it for $4500 with the H550 soundbar and the samsung blu-ray player (although reviews show this as junk, i am happy with a blu-ray player and am not a 3D guy and i don't think anyone carries oppo near me anyways, not that i would entirely appreciate that unit to its fullest...)

Something tells me the box stores up here are going to try to carry this tv for $8500 or $9000 for a beginning price.

BTW made a mistake on my previous entry, its futureshop and visions that have listed the 78" 9000; best buy canada site isn't showing it yet but it'll list for the same price for obvious reasons.
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Im returning my 8550. I really dont want the curved so I'm getting the Vizio M series since I dont really care for 4K and alls I want is the best dimming which seems to be the e/m series according to CNET.

I have my 8550, watched gravity -- turned the movie mode backlight to 8 and you will notice washing out on the bottom letterbox (for this movie in particular) in certain scenes, the blacks do indeed change (in a dimmed room). This, as I said earlier, did not happen on last year's f8000 because it had cinema black and only the 9000 series has cinema black.


I tried all settings, pumped up dynamic contrast, Smart LED to high, etc -- but the truth is the cinema black is a big part of it and if cnet says that the letterboxes are less washed out than the f8000 on the e/m series, I'm going with that TV (though I know a lot of you want the 4K).

Also its probably a bit more difficult to dim 4K due to more pixels.

Eh, seems amazon will take a 1 to 2 months to ship this tv. Man.


*I envy you that dont mind the curve. I think the curve will atleast be on the top 5 for dimming this year, probably #2 or 1. Cinema black would have made the 8550 perfect
Cinema Black or not, the dimming on the HU9000 units isn't much better as it's still edge-lit. FALD is the only way to go if you want the absolute best dimming.
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how does your ps4 look for gaming. 100% of my time is on my ps4. just ordered un65h7150 it will be in on 6-24. please let me know how your 9000 looks for gaming. if it looks good and plays good I will return the 7150 and get the 9000. if you can take pictures that would be great. thanks for the help.
I played multiple games on my ps3 and ps4 and I was very very happy with the picture it looked amazing and no problems at all I wonder the people with problems maybe have a bad panel ?
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The pic came out a little dark but it was taken from my Samsung note 3 in person much better quality
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that looks great. thanks for taking the pictures. is 4k that big of a step up on your ps4 or do you think a good 1080p set will look about the same. money doesn't matter I just want the best gaming tv in can get in a 65 inch. the first picture looks free of clouding and light bleed. is it 100% free of that all the time if so that great and I might just return the 65h7150 before it even gets to my house. thanks

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The pic came out a little dark but it was taken from my Samsung note 3 in person much better quality
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Does anyone has problems with noise on the image (8550) even while watching BD? I've disconnected everything and even plugged in the TV by it self trying to see if the problem was interference, and I've try different settings, but I've not been able to get rid of it.


I've been playing with the settings for the motion artifacts, trying to find a middle point, but it seems funny to have to compromise and chose if one wants to have clear motions, or not artifacts.

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I cant find your post,
Sorry. It's here: OFFICIAL Samsung 4k HU8550 and HU9000 thread
You put the brightness super low. Theres a scene in gravity where you see just the space helmet sandra bullock is wearing and as you lower the brightness you see less of it, it like just dissapears


How did you calibrate your TV? WoW disc? Professional? The other settings I find just have the backlight super low instead of the brightness. But putting down the brightness does help. Though I am still concerned of just like images getting cut from the screne.

*Because with the brightness that low even in calibration discs or options, you cant see anything.

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You put the brightness super low. Theres a scene in gravity where you see just the space helmet sandra bullock is wearing and as you lower the brightness you see less of it, it like just dissapears
That's bad. You don't want to lose details in dark parts of the picture, of course. One hopes that other adjustments can compensate and bring back those details. I found that setting Gamma to it's maximum value was the most help, and turning up the backlight also helped a little. But if you can't get back those shadow details, perhaps my settings just won't work for you.

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It doesnt even come close in the calibration disc. I copied your settings and then tried to get the brightness setting set right on the WoW disc. It only seemed to handle like a brightness level of -3 to 42. Even with gamma turned all the way up, etc.

This seriously doesnt happen to you?
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It doesnt even come close in the calibration disc. I copied your settings and then tried to get the brightness setting set right on the WoW disc. It only seemed to handle like a brightness level of -3 to 42. Even with gamma turned all the way up, etc.

This seriously doesnt happen to you?
What doesn't happen to me? I'm not following what you're saying. What does it mean to "get the brightness setting set right on the WoW disc"? Are you talking about a calibration pattern on the WoW disc? I don't use it. In my opinion, the brightness setting just has to be turned down until black level is black for the programs you watch. WoW schmoW.

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Using the Harmony remote, when I power up the 9000/system (Onkyo receiver) initially the cable/Sat comes on I see the pic and hear the sound.... then my receiver switches to TV/CD as I think the ARC is dominating and I have no pic (this doesn't happen for Blu-ray) and HDMI3 seems disconnected(no pic). After refreshing the screen the cable / sat (Directv) is again selected and it stays on fine.

I had a similar problem with my Harmony remote and using an Xbox 360 through an AVR. Everything turns on correctly, the Xbox is displayed - and then when the TV is fully running, it sends something to the AVR over the HDMI connection (CEC/ARC enabled) and the audio on the receiver is automatically switched back to the TV, and the display of the Xbox 360 is lost.


How to correct this turned out to be simple. For the Harmony remote, set the Power On delay for the RECEIVER to 20 seconds. This tells the remote to turn on the receiver and wait 20 seconds before sending the "Set Source to Xbox 360" command. Now, everything turns on correctly, the Xbox is displayed initially, the receiver switches to TV for a few seconds - and then back to the Xbox. And I'm good-to-go.


If you disabled CEC and ARC and use the digital optical output for audio - that will eliminate this issue - and from all of my tests (so far), it appears the optical output ends up with the same audio as the HDMI ARC output.
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Oh wow, how did I miss this. The 9000 curved has Cinema Black for the letterbox bars and the 8550 doesn't. Man. They are really pushing curved
The 9000 is $1000 more than the equivalent 8550 (without "discounts"). They needed to do more than just curve the 8550 to justify that price hike. 9000 also has a faster quad core processor, which may or may not also help with smoother motion processing (nobody can seem to confirm this).
This is a direct quote from a Samsung technician I met on Sat. (Samsung trainers had descended upon Bentalls in Kingston, London). I asked him whether the faster processor on HU9000 meant it would have better Motion Handling than HU8550:
"CMR is a measurement of Panel Refresh Rate, Processor & Backlight Scanning. HU9000 has a faster processor (QuadCore+) & more processing tech (Auto Depth Enhancer, PurColour). The Motion Handling will be very good on 8550, but will lead itself to be slightly better on 9000 due to faster processor."
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Oh wow, how did I miss this. The 9000 curved has Cinema Black for the letterbox bars and the 8550 doesn't. Man. They are really pushing curved
The 9000 is $1000 more than the equivalent 8550 (without "discounts"). They needed to do more than just curve the 8550 to justify that price hike. 9000 also has a faster quad core processor, which may or may not also help with smoother motion processing (nobody can seem to confirm this).
This is a direct quote from a Samsung technician I met on Sat. (Samsung trainers had descended upon Bentalls in Kingston, London). I asked him whether the faster processor on HU9000 meant it would have better Motion Handling than HU8550:
"CMR is a measurement of Panel Refresh Rate, Processor & Backlight Scanning. HU9000 has a faster processor (QuadCore+) & more processing tech (Auto Depth Enhancer, PurColour). The Motion Handling will be very good on 8550, but will lead itself to be slightly better on 9000 due to faster processor."
Thanks for getting the answer straight from the source! It certainly makes me feel better about my decision to buy the HU9000 over the 8550.
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My 60 inch 8550 came this Friday and I've lots of questions.....however, there is really only one that matters at the moment.

The picture looks horribly fake. Is it because the resolution is so high that you can tell the actors are on a green screen? Cartoons, nature programs, and watching the news looks terrific, but movies and regular programing looks incredibly strange. My wife just flat out refuses to look at it, she has gone to another room to watch TV.

Is there a way to adjust this effect out of the set or is this the state of TV now> If so I'm going to return the set and revert to my old screen for eternity.

Seriously, is this what people want now?
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My 60 inch 8550 came this Friday and I've lots of questions.....however, there is really only one that matters at the moment.

The picture looks horribly fake. Is it because the resolution is so high that you can tell the actors are on a green screen? Cartoons, nature programs, and watching the news looks terrific, but movies and regular programing looks incredibly strange. My wife just flat out refuses to look at it, she has gone to another room to watch TV.

Is there a way to adjust this effect out of the set or is this the state of TV now> If so I'm going to return the set and revert to my old screen for eternity.

Seriously, is this what people want now?
I am guessing that's the motion interpolation crap causing the soap opera effect. Go to motion plus in your menu and turn that off or use custom and set it to +10 blur and 0 judder.

Picture>Picture Options>Auto Motion Plus

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My 60 inch 8550 came this Friday and I've lots of questions.....however, there is really only one that matters at the moment.

The picture looks horribly fake. Is it because the resolution is so high that you can tell the actors are on a green screen? Cartoons, nature programs, and watching the news looks terrific, but movies and regular programing looks incredibly strange. My wife just flat out refuses to look at it, she has gone to another room to watch TV.

Is there a way to adjust this effect out of the set or is this the state of TV now> If so I'm going to return the set and revert to my old screen for eternity.

Seriously, is this what people want now?
yes its awesome. It makes the technology have to advance as well.

But its called soap opera effect. Go to settings and turn your motion settings to like

10 blur reduction

And judder anywhere from 0 - 5
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My 60 inch 8550 came this Friday and I've lots of questions.....however, there is really only one that matters at the moment.

The picture looks horribly fake. Is it because the resolution is so high that you can tell the actors are on a green screen? Cartoons, nature programs, and watching the news looks terrific, but movies and regular programing looks incredibly strange. My wife just flat out refuses to look at it, she has gone to another room to watch TV.

Is there a way to adjust this effect out of the set or is this the state of TV now> If so I'm going to return the set and revert to my old screen for eternity.

Seriously, is this what people want now?
yes its awesome. It makes the technology have to advance as well.

But its called soap opera effect. Go to settings and turn your motion settings to like

10 blur reduction

And judder anywhere from 0 - 5
Thank you, will give this a try tonight and see what it does!
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