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There are 10 bit panels for the HU8550? and HU9000 listed on a Samsung parts supplier according to a post a couple of pages back. I don't know if the suppliers info is reliable or not.
We couldn't verify it.
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Is one movie DTS and the other DD? If so perhaps your onkyo will only decode one.
Well this is from the spec sheet on the Onkyo site: Meaning it shouldn't matter which each movie is right?


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I'll have to look but you'd think the Onkyo could do anything considering what a high level receiver it is.
Of course that Onkyo can decode anything. No need to look.

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With Alien you should try to go to the disc's audio setup. Not the players audio menu. Do it from the disc's main menu. Try to select a different audio track.

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Why Sam is not making a 9000 series flat is beyond me. They think everyone wants curved and they are wrong on this one..
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I agree, a curved TV is a dieing fad . OLED screens where the first curved screens, I "think" there where made this way because it was eisier to produce a curved "OLED" screen, compared to a flat screen. If the manufacturing process would be easier I can understand that. Just to have a curved screen because OLED has a curved screen, is pointless .
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There are 10 bit panels for the HU8550? and HU9000 listed on a Samsung parts supplier according to a post a couple of pages back. I don't know if the suppliers info is reliable or not.

I posted those links. Samsungparts.com is Samsung's parts department so they posted the 10 bit replacement part. Of course it could be a typo but worth noting, most other replacement panels I looked up on there either had no info about Bit or like my f9000 had an 8-bit listed. Take it for what it is.

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I agree, a curved TV is a dieing fad . OLED screens where the first curved screens, I "think" there where made this way because it was eisier to produce a curved "OLED" screen, compared to a flat screen. If the manufacturing process would be easier I can understand that. Just to have a curved screen because OLED has a curved screen, is pointless .
I agree. I will say this though, the UN78HU9000 is beautiful. That is I think the minimum size, for me, where I actually like the curve.

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The 8550 is mediocre at best.. I posted pictures weeks ago of the F8000 compared to the 8550 in the same room and the F8000 2K blew it away in every detail.

Now the question is , does the 9000 compare or beat the F8000. I pray it does.

I have a HU9000 coming thursday and I will be posting some pics of it vs the 7150 which is now my everyday as the F8000 I sold.. I cant believe a year later and they dont have Tv's that blow the F8000 away..

Makes no sense that the 8550 doesnt even come close but its true. Of course 4K is wonderful on the 8550 but if the 99% of the time 2K image isnt great , it makes no sense.

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I owned a UN60F8000 which I sold to pick up a UN65F9000 and I also picked up a UN55HU8550 for my bedroom. I disagree with you to a point. Yes, my cable box (1080i sources) generally looked sharper on the F8000 but it has to fill up double the pixels on 4K sets. Put anything that is 1080P such as bluray and my money goes to either 4k set for sure. My F8000 definitely had deeper black bars, due to Cinema Black and Micro Dimming Ultimate, than my HU8550 but the 8550 looks great to me. The colors on it seems more accurate and pop a little more to me. But to be fair the F8000 was a flagship model whereas the HU8550 is not. Wouldn't the H8000 be the equivalent of the F8000 or did they skimp on that model in favor of 4k? It is an odd choice to make the flagship model curved and not offer a flat version. That's why I bought last year's F9000 with the 2014 Evolution Kit..... it smokes the F8000.
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I agree. I will say this though, the UN78HU9000 is beautiful. That is I think the minimum size, for me, where I actually like the curve.
I think more people bought the hu9000 then expected. I think I can find more buyer reviews for the curved set than the sony set.

Maybe it's a fad. Maybe its not. But at least I got my set if it is. So good.
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I am a Installer/Dealer for Sam/Son for a long time and I am a TV nut myself so I have to try them all.

The Xbr900B is done for me.. I had the 79 for 1 day and its size and overall pic quality are not for me.. I am back to being a samsung guy and I just want F8000 Quality on my new Tvs..

The 8550 was drab and not a great deep black response at all. The F8000 Smoked it across the board.. After tweaking the heck out of it , I got it maybe 80% as good as the F8000 but at twice the price the 8550 made no sense.

As I buying a HU9000 curved just to get better picture and not really wanting curved ? YES and this is the problem.

Why Sam is not making a 9000 series flat is beyond me. They think everyone wants curved and they are wrong on this one..

I have it for a few weeks so once its here I will see if I can live with it.. I am afraid by next year that Curved will be gone completely. I havent found more than a few of my customers that want it as most just want a great pic on a flat panel..

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Could you elaborate on what you disliked on the 79x900b?


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I agree, a curved TV is a dieing fad .
Evidence doesn't support that Chris. Samsung has several curved models, LG has their current curved OLED and the upcoming 77" OLED is also curved. The Koreans are still in love with curved TVs.
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Daaaamn! Still no pro reviews of the 79" 900B, but I guess the LG panels don't cut it.
The 2 or 3 owners that have them thus far certainly seem to like them. So I don't think I'd be so quick to say that LG panels don't cut it. The picture I saw at BB was stunning with the best viewing angles I've ever seen on an LED/LCD. I couldn't determine black levels and for me, that remains the question mark.

In VGI's case, it appears he gave up on it quickly when he found it didn't fit in the area he had for it. You can't assess a TV in less than a day and dial in the precise settings for the best picture. So to be honest, I'm not factoring in VGI's experience to any great extent since he really gave up on it for other reasons.

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Well i own a 55" f8000 and the hu9000 is better. Blacks colors and definition. I don't agree with you. I have the f8000 in my bedroom now. The hu8550 is still better than the f8000 to me.

My hu9000 is the tv I wanted for years but never knew it. I love this tv.
I'd agree. I saw the F8000 and there's little doubt in my mind that the 8550 is better.
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I'd agree. I saw the F8000 and there's little doubt in my mind that the 8550 is better.

Yeah I looked at the F8000 before getting my 8550. The F8000 was for sure amazing but the 8550 blows my damn mind.
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HU8550 vs HU9000

I feel like I am stuck here in my decision-making process and I really don't know which way to go. I really want the added advantages of the HU9000 that everyone seems to be indicating make it a superior set (Cinema Black, color range, 1440 clear motion vs. 1200, etc.). However, my current TV that I will replacing is mounted on the wall above a fireplace and has an HDMI run to my media cabinet where everything is connected to my Onkyo receiver. My frustration is that I will have no good way hook-up the HU9000 with its requirement of the One Connect box given the mounting and connecting positions of all the equipment. The only possibility would be to also somehow mount the One Connect box itself behind the TV, otherwise I would have to run the One Connect cable through the same cable run as the HDMI connecting the TV to the receiver.

Has anyone else had to deal with a similar situation/consideration? How does the One Connect box impact and inhibit such mounting setups? I'm just not sure about my options here.
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I feel like I am stuck here in my decision-making process and I really don't know which way to go. I really want the added advantages of the HU9000 that everyone seems to be indicating make it a superior set (Cinema Black, color range, 1440 clear motion vs. 1200, etc.). However, my current TV that I will replacing is mounted on the wall above a fireplace and has an HDMI run to my media cabinet where everything is connected to my Onkyo receiver. My frustration is that I will have no good way hook-up the HU9000 with its requirement of the One Connect box given the mounting and connecting positions of all the equipment. The only possibility would be to also somehow mount the One Connect box itself behind the TV, otherwise I would have to run the One Connect cable through the same cable run as the HDMI connecting the TV to the receiver.

Has anyone else had to deal with a similar situation/consideration? How does the One Connect box impact and inhibit such mounting setups? I'm just not sure about my options here.

Isn't the HU9000 curved? Just mount it on the wall behind one of the curved sides..

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Isn't the HU9000 curved? Just mount it on the wall behind one of the curved sides..
Correct, the 9000 is curved. That was really the point at the root of my question, if it would be worth it to try to mount the One Connect box behind the TV in a way that can be hidden and still use the HDMI already available through the in-wall installation? The HU9000 is curved, but the curve is very minimal, probably not enough clearance between even the most curved point and the wall to mount, connect and hide the One Connect box, One Connect Cable and HDMI cable.
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I feel like I am stuck here in my decision-making process and I really don't know which way to go. I really want the added advantages of the HU9000 that everyone seems to be indicating make it a superior set (Cinema Black, color range, 1440 clear motion vs. 1200, etc.). However, my current TV that I will replacing is mounted on the wall above a fireplace and has an HDMI run to my media cabinet where everything is connected to my Onkyo receiver. My frustration is that I will have no good way hook-up the HU9000 with its requirement of the One Connect box given the mounting and connecting positions of all the equipment. The only possibility would be to also somehow mount the One Connect box itself behind the TV, otherwise I would have to run the One Connect cable through the same cable run as the HDMI connecting the TV to the receiver.

Has anyone else had to deal with a similar situation/consideration? How does the One Connect box impact and inhibit such mounting setups? I'm just not sure about my options here.

What I do not understand is Why the 9000 has the one connect box and the 8550 does not?


Keep in mind that you will have to change your receiver once more 4k content comes out to get 4k picture through your receiver.
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What I do not understand is Why the 9000 has the one connect box and the 8550 does not?


Keep in mind that you will have to change your receiver once more 4k content comes out to get 4k picture through your receiver.

I assume its because the 9000 is curved and there isn't enough flat surface on the back to install a large array of ports, Where as on the back of a flat surface its not an issue. The 8550 has the one connector port though.

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I assume its because the 9000 is curved and there isn't enough flat surface on the back to install a large array of ports, Where as on the back of a flat surface its not an issue. The 8550 has the one connector port though.
My F9000 is flat and has a One Connect box so I don't think that is it.

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What I do not understand is Why the 9000 has the one connect box and the 8550 does not?


Keep in mind that you will have to change your receiver once more 4k content comes out to get 4k picture through your receiver.
The HU8550 and HU9000 both support One Connect, the difference is that the HU9000 REQUIRES One Connect as the only option whereas the 8550 also has on-board AV inputs with the option to buy the One Connect box if you want it. I think for me, given that I will have to upgrade my Onkyo AVR to really achieve 4K, I will go with the 8550 and use the cost savings toward a new AVR.
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So after a bit of a tumultous install due to a power cable that just WOULD NOT fish through the wall, i finally got everything put together for a test drive thanks to alot of extra drywall materials that i scammed off everyone from work as well as a half sheet of drywall. Got a TS01 panel (as per previous posts, it's debatable whether that matters) with really decent uniformity. I ain't no videophile but the minor tweaks to setting picture to custom and judder and blur with movie and warm 2 and throwing on UHD HDMI color on my cable box source (1080i) made the color just pop on the football game. What i love about the 75" panel is that it covers so much real estate i am able to hide everything i want to connect to it behind it after my tilt was set to my liking as you can see in the pics.

I am super happy with this set after only finding a single bleed point on the bottom right edge. Try the rubbing technique and see if it gets better, or maybe i am completely amiss on what that trick is supposed to do. I definitely noticed the flashlighting effect when a movie was done and the credits rolled. The black edges were going all strobey while the credits crawled up the middle, but i didn't buy the tv to watch credits and i noticed no issues in darker scenes of actual movies i have tried. The highest resolution on my samsung s5 camera can only do so much justice to what i thought was a fabulous performance by this panel at 2160 resolution on 300. Just watched Avatar last night and i was super happy with the 3D performance, that said not sure why that blu-ray only displayed 3D at 1080 while 300 went right to 2160 resolution with no change in settings. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. Can't say i have stared at the F8000 beside it or gocked at a HU9000 but i got no regrets on this end and this panel will be well used. Had netflix glitch on me but smart hub reset and fired through the setup menus and was back in business in 5 minutes. Only got a 10Mbit/s connection so i am sure netflix was downconverting some of the UHD footage i was watching to a lower resolution. I followed the directions on what people said to verify resolution but info button does nothing in netflix. Buffers a bit at the start but i am sure 700kb/s isn't enough to keep with the true UHD feed?

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1. Is cable box supposed to be upconverted to 2160? Source is obviously 1080i and that's all it shows it to be displayed as. Don't matter if it doesn't since watching footbal looked great at that size.
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The HU8550 and HU9000 both support One Connect, the difference is that the HU9000 REQUIRES One Connect as the only option whereas the 8550 also has on-board AV inputs with the option to buy the One Connect box if you want it. I think for me, given that I will have to upgrade my Onkyo AVR to really achieve 4K, I will go with the 8550 and use the cost savings toward a new AVR.
why do you have to upgrade your AVR to achieve 4K?
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The HU8550 and HU9000 both support One Connect, the difference is that the HU9000 REQUIRES One Connect as the only option whereas the 8550 also has on-board AV inputs with the option to buy the One Connect box if you want it. I think for me, given that I will have to upgrade my Onkyo AVR to really achieve 4K, I will go with the 8550 and use the cost savings toward a new AVR.
The 8550 will not have a one connect box option (Evolution Kit) until 2015. The 2014 UHD Evolution Kit does not work with it.

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why do you have to upgrade your AVR to achieve 4K?
I'm curious...can you explain this? My AVR is about 4 years old and supports 1080P and 3D, but my research suggests that HDMI 2.0 is required for 4K content, which I don't have and apparently my AVR doesn't support 4K pass-through (I'm still checking on this myself based on my specific model of Onkyo AVR). Is this not correct?
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why do you have to upgrade your AVR to achieve 4K?

The AVR needs to support HMDI 2.0 and probably also HDCP 2.2


I also need a new reviver as I currently have a Marantz 8001 (old) and 4 Mirage omd-5 speakers and a OMD c1. I am buying 2 OMD-15 to make my system 7.1 and will wait a few months until a 4k player comes out before I buy a new receiver. Truth is we will not know what the reviver needs until a blueray 4K player or something similar comes out. Does anyone have the Samsung 4K movie player going through there receiver at TRUE 4K?

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The AVR needs to support HMDI 2.0 and probably also HDCP 2.2
Unfortunately any receiver with HDCP 2.2 does not have full HDMI 2.0 4K 60 4:4:4 capability only 4k 60 4:2:0 (same as hdmi 1.4) It is a limitation of the current chipsets.

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I'm curious...can you explain this? My AVR is about 4 years old and supports 1080P and 3D, but my research suggests that HDMI 2.0 is required for 4K content, which I don't have and apparently my AVR doesn't support 4K pass-through (I'm still checking on this myself based on my specific model of Onkyo AVR). Is this not correct?
I'm waiting for my AVR to arrive on a container ship from overseas. However, most of the talk seems to be around just using ARC or optical & being done with it. Not sure if you NEED 4K pass-through, could be wrong though.
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Well this is from the spec sheet on the Onkyo site: Meaning it shouldn't matter which each movie is right?


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Run optical audio directly from your blu-ray player to your amp. Don't go through the tv. Now see if you get sound from both of those movies. I had a similar issue and quit relying on HDMI audio.
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Unfortunately any receiver with HDCP 2.2 does not have full HDMI 2.0 4K 60 4:4:4 capability only 4k 60 4:2:0 (same as hdmi 1.4) It is a limitation of the current chipsets.
exactly, which is why I'd avoid dropping a lot of coin on a new receiver at this time, and instead get by with your current system until you can get a receiver with proper HDMI 2.0 implementation. Probably by next year you'll be able to find a receiver with proper HDMI 2.0...
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