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Run optical audio directly from your blu-ray player to your amp. Don't go through the tv. Now see if you get sound from both of those movies. I had a similar issue and quit relying on HDMI audio.
I won't do optical audio. You don't get master audio and HD audio through optical.
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Unfortunately any receiver with HDCP 2.2 does not have full HDMI 2.0 4K 60 4:4:4 capability only 4k 60 4:2:0 (same as hdmi 1.4) It is a limitation of the current chipsets.

Can someone please explain this to me?
I asked the question in the receiver forum and one person responded to wait for a receiver with HDCP 2.2, so HDCP is not HDMI 2.0 compatible??
All this 4K stuff does n ot make sense to me, a lot of manufactures are saying they have true 4K passthrough but not at 60HZ but now they do..


IS there a receiver that will play 4K content when it becomes available on Blueray type player or cablebox or are all receivers out not be worthless when a 4K player comes out..


Also you say wait until they have receivers with proper HDMI2.0 , does the 8550 have proper HDMI 2.0?


Please educate me..


Also does anyone have the Samsung 4K movie player thing going through the receiver?
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HU9000 review

Curious how many of the HU8550 and 9000 owners agree with this review > http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1399869663
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exactly, which is why I'd avoid dropping a lot of coin on a new receiver at this time, and instead get by with your current system until you can get a receiver with proper HDMI 2.0 implementation. Probably by next year you'll be able to find a receiver with proper HDMI 2.0...

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Nice dude. I would just be careful if that is 4K/60 Hz @ 4:4:4, not 4:2:0. I have a feeling it's the latter, as sickclown noted. Before pulling the trigger on that receiver, I'd confirm with onkyo if they are using 18 Gbps HDMI 2.0 ports capable of 4:4:4 chroma at 4K/60Hz.
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I won't do optical audio. You don't get master audio and HD audio through optical.
It is merely a troubleshooting suggestion. I believe he indicated he was getting no audio at all out of one of his blu-ray discs. If I by-pass the tv audio wise and feed directly into the amp from my Sony blu-ray player I do get DTS audio and the amp's display confirms it. Of course he must go into the settings menu of his blu-ray player and change the output from hdmi to optical (or digital). Again just a trouble shooting tool. Curious if he is now getting audio from the disc he wasn't before.

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Can someone please explain this to me?
I asked the question in the receiver forum and one person responded to wait for a receiver with HDCP 2.2, so HDCP is not HDMI 2.0 compatible??
All this 4K stuff does n ot make sense to me, a lot of manufactures are saying they have true 4K passthrough but not at 60HZ but now they do..


IS there a receiver that will play 4K content when it becomes available on Blueray type player or cablebox or are all receivers out not be worthless when a 4K player comes out..


Also you say wait until they have receivers with proper HDMI2.0 , does the 8550 have proper HDMI 2.0?


Please educate me..


Also does anyone have the Samsung 4K movie player thing going through the receiver?
Yes, there are receivers with HDMI 2.0, but they are not capable of 18 Gbps. So you'll get all the features you want, but at reduced chroma, which you probably won't even notice 95%+ of the time when watching video. Not a deal-breaker at all, but if you want to really be future proof, wait for receivers with high speed HDMI 2.0 ports capable of full RGB/4:4:4 @ 4K 60 Hz.

Samsung 8550 & 9000 already has HDMI 2.0 ports capable of 4:4:4 chroma at 60 Hz, by engaging the "HDMI UHD Color", or whatever the option is again...

I'm going mostly off hearsay though, so if someone knows otherwise, please correct me.
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Ok, here is the current breakdown:


HDIM 1.4 - capable of 4k but only at a maximum of 30fps.


HDMI 2.0 - capable of 4k but only at a maximum of 60fps


-- Now Here is Where it Gets Interesting --


There is no "official" 4k delivery system for consumer content at the moment.


Current signals conform to the REC 709 spec which was developed for HD. Signals are at 4:2:0 colorspace - up to 16 million colors.


Currently being considered is the REC 2020 spec which supports 4k AND 8k up to 120fps.
REC 2020 allows for 4:4:4 colorspace - up to BILLIONS of colors.
REC 202 no longer supports interlaced video. Everything is Progressive.


NO TELEVISION TODAY CAN SUPPORT REC 2020
We are YEARS away from a consumer 4k format (other than streaming x265)
REC 2020 sets will cost a lot more as making a true 4:4:4 panel and electronics requires a lot of bandwidth and complexity.
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Got a TS01 panel (as per previous posts, it's debatable whether that matters) with really decent uniformity.
Very debatable indeed. I got an HS panel and uniformity is great. Can not see any light bleed on the corners and have watched a lot of dark material. Loving my HU8550
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OK I will try to explain:

Onkyo chose a chipset that is HDMI 2.0 and has HDCP 2.2 on two of it's ports. Samsung also made this choice on the MHL port. This chip set is only capable of the same 4K as HDMI 1.4; Meaning 4k 24/30 at 4:4:4 and 4k 60 at 4:2:0.

Denon, Pioneer, Marantz, Yamaha, etc all opted for a full speed (18Gbps) HDMI 2.0 chip set without HDCP 2.2 (it just has the standard HDCP everything has). This allows full 4k pass through as well as full 4k 60 4:4:4 upscaling.

Both are a gamble since there aren't really any HDMI 2.0 devices and HDCP 2.2 hasn't been implemented in anything yet. The thought process of Denon and company is rely on the TV manufacturers to deal with HDCP 2.2 and run two cables, one for audio and one for video.

Samsung has the best strategy in my opinion with the One Connect for upgrades as standards change.

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Explain. Because, it lights up as such and sounds great with my Sony amp. I won't do hdmi.
Optical audio has its limitations. It carries audio to an AV receiver that can decode two channels of uncompressed lossless PCM audio or compressed 5.1/7.1 surround sound such as Dolby Digital Plus or DTS-HD High Resolution Audio. Unlike HDMI, Optical does not have the capacity to carry the lossless versions of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.

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My F8000 definitely had deeper black bars, due to Cinema Black and Micro Dimming Ultimate, than my HU8550 but the 8550 looks great to me.
But doesn't the HU8550 have Micro Dimming just named differently this year. "Precision Black Local Dimming" + "UHD Dimming" which I think this is what replaces Micro Dimming Ultimate from last years. It is the exact same as the HU9000 and same is listed for the F9000:
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Experience sharper contrast with Precision Black Local Dimming. It dims LEDs behind the darkest area of the picture for greater contrast and darker blacks, while the brighter elements remain as bright as they should be. Sit back and enjoy the picture.

F8000 Micro Dimming Ultimate:
Experience incredible picture contrast, color and detail with Micro Dimming Ultimate. By maximizing the contrast between lights and darks, Samsung’s Micro Dimming technology displays a picture that is as true-to-life as possible. Our innovative technology scans zones across the image and adjusts brightness to deliver deeper dark tones and brighter whites. It also eliminates the “halo” effect and image distortion that can happen with diffused lights. The Ultimate version of this technology optimizes the quality to new heights by scanning 2x the number of zones in the image. The result is a crystal-clear picture with realistic, vivid detail and accurate color reproduction.

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UHD Dimming
UHD Dimming precisely scans an incredible amount of zones across the entire image and adjusts brightness to deliver deeper darks and brighter whites. It virtually eliminates the "halo" effect and image distortion, so you’ll enjoy a crystal clear picture.

I have watched content with the black bars and they look so good and black.

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First time I seen pacific rim in 3d on the bdt360 I knew I was in another level.

But let me just say until you have seen "Coraline" in 3d on this set you aint seen nothin yet.

Its nice to have a player with no hiccups or shadow detail issues. Helps to be able to keep your blacks when the player is actually displaying the shadow detail properly.
Did you tweak your 3D Settings?
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OK I will try to explain:


Samsung has the best strategy in my opinion with the One Connect for upgrades as standards change.

So the ONe connect box will also connect to the 8550?
I thought the one connect box was only for the 4K tv that came out last year that do not have HDMI 2.0 but since the 8550 has it the one connect box is not used for the 8550?
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So the ONe connect box will also connect to the 8550?
I thought the one connect box was only for the 4K tv that came out last year that do not have HDMI 2.0 but since the 8550 has it the one connect box is not used for the 8550?
The 2013 One Connect that came with the F9000 and the 2014 UHD Evolution Kit that upgrades the F9000 to the latest features will not work on the HU8550. However next year(2015) the 8550 will be upgradeable to a UHD Evolution Kit that connects via a One Connect cable.

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But doesn't the HU8550 have Micro Dimming just named differently this year. "Precision Black Local Dimming" + "UHD Dimming" which I think this is what replaces Micro Dimming Ultimate from last years. It is the exact same as the HU9000 and same is listed for the F9000:
Precision Black Local Dimming (Samsung Website) Both F8000 and HU8550
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Experience sharper contrast with Precision Black Local Dimming. It dims LEDs behind the darkest area of the picture for greater contrast and darker blacks, while the brighter elements remain as bright as they should be. Sit back and enjoy the picture.

F8000 Micro Dimming Ultimate:
Experience incredible picture contrast, color and detail with Micro Dimming Ultimate. By maximizing the contrast between lights and darks, Samsung’s Micro Dimming technology displays a picture that is as true-to-life as possible. Our innovative technology scans zones across the image and adjusts brightness to deliver deeper dark tones and brighter whites. It also eliminates the “halo” effect and image distortion that can happen with diffused lights. The Ultimate version of this technology optimizes the quality to new heights by scanning 2x the number of zones in the image. The result is a crystal-clear picture with realistic, vivid detail and accurate color reproduction.

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UHD Dimming precisely scans an incredible amount of zones across the entire image and adjusts brightness to deliver deeper darks and brighter whites. It virtually eliminates the "halo" effect and image distortion, so you’ll enjoy a crystal clear picture.

I have watched content with the black bars and they look so good and black.
Who knows honestly? Most of this stuff is really just marketing. My experience with the F8000 vs the HU8550 are better black bars on the F8000. I had zero flash lighting on the F8000; the light behind the black bars was completely shut off. My HU8550 has impressive blacks for sure but I have some minor flash lighting/corner clouding.

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Optical audio has its limitations. It carries audio to an AV receiver that can decode two channels of uncompressed lossless PCM audio or compressed 5.1/7.1 surround sound such as Dolby Digital Plus or DTS-HD High Resolution Audio. Unlike HDMI, Optical does not have the capacity to carry the lossless versions of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.
ok thanks. but if he is getting no audio at all from one of his discs, thought he might try by-passing the tv for trouble shooting purposes.
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Ok, here is the current breakdown:


HDIM 1.4 - capable of 4k but only at a maximum of 30fps.


HDMI 2.0 - capable of 4k but only at a maximum of 60fps


-- Now Here is Where it Gets Interesting --


There is no "official" 4k delivery system for consumer content at the moment.


Current signals conform to the REC 709 spec which was developed for HD. Signals are at 4:2:0 colorspace - up to 16 million colors.


Currently being considered is the REC 2020 spec which supports 4k AND 8k up to 120fps.
REC 2020 allows for 4:4:4 colorspace - up to BILLIONS of colors.
REC 202 no longer supports interlaced video. Everything is Progressive.


NO TELEVISION TODAY CAN SUPPORT REC 2020
We are YEARS away from a consumer 4k format (other than streaming x265)
REC 2020 sets will cost a lot more as making a true 4:4:4 panel and electronics requires a lot of bandwidth and complexity.
How does this information tie in? > http://www.redsharknews.com/distribu...irmed-as-10bit
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Who knows honestly? Most of this stuff is really just marketing. My experience with the F8000 vs the HU8550 are better black bars on the F8000. I had zero flash lighting on the F8000; the light behind the black bars was completely shut off. My HU8550 has impressive blacks for sure but I have some minor flash lighting/corner clouding.
Yea on the HU9000 the bars are definitely not completely shut off, I still see a faint light on the black bars - but thats in a completely dark room (and I rarely if ever watch movies without some sort of light source on). With some light in the room the bars do "look" completely black.

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How does this information tie in? > http://www.redsharknews.com/distribu...irmed-as-10bit


So does this mean our TV's will be useless to 4k content since they are 8 Bit..


The Evolution Kit can not update the tv from 8 but to 10 bit..


I also read that the 8550 will not have a Evolution Kit since it all ready has HDMI 2.0 and Samsung will send upgrades strait to the TV for 5 years!..
This 4K stuff is complicated!!
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So does this mean our TV's will be useless to 4k content since they are 8 Bit..


The Evolution Kit can not update the tv from 8 but to 10 bit..


I also read that the 8550 will not have a Evolution Kit since it all ready has HDMI 2.0 and Samsung will send upgrades strait to the TV for 5 years!..
This 4K stuff is complicated!!
our TVs will never be useless as long as they operate I know for a fact that my F9000 screen is 8-bit and I am OK with it. As I posted earlier, Samsung has both the HU8550 and HU9000 replacement LCD screens listed as 10-bit on their official parts site but that is the only place I have seen it. Where did you read that? It has a One Connect port and has been labeled as One Connect compatible in the future. It may already have HDMI 2.0 but as I have said before the chipsets are limited, so either you have full HDMI 2.0 or HDCP 2.2. Eventually, when there is an agreement on HDCP 2.2 there will be a chipset that contains both (this is all guesses on my part) and Samsung will get it in our hands via One Connects.

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So does this mean our TV's will be useless to 4k content since they are 8 Bit..


The Evolution Kit can not update the tv from 8 but to 10 bit..


I also read that the 8550 will not have a Evolution Kit since it all ready has HDMI 2.0 and Samsung will send upgrades strait to the TV for 5 years!..
This 4K stuff is complicated!!
For 4k sets its not called a evolution kit, but a One Connect box. Both the HU9000 and 8550 are compatible with future One Connect boxes which will update processor, firmware etc. Panel bit (8 or 10) cannot be changed with the the One Connect box, thats the screen itself.. This does not mean the current 4k TVs will be useless in the future, it means "possibly" future 4k TVs will have better color with better panels.

As others have mentioned here, newer tech does not always translate to better picture... My 5 year old Samsung LCD TV looks almost as good as its current gen LED counterpart (with slightly worse black levels) - most surprising is the motion handling hasn't really gotten any better with Samsung TVs over the years... my 2008 120hz set hiccups at the same spots as my friends 7100 from 2013. That just tells me that my HU9000 will be good for a long while. Even higher bit rates on panels may not make that great of a leap forward.. Only thing I see making that BIG leap will be 4k OLED but thats years and years away so im sure anyone purchasing in 2014 will be happy until 2018+ when those OLED sets become available/affordable (my guess).

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For 4k sets its not called a evolution kit, but a One Connect box.
Not to be argumentative but the One Connect upgrade actually is called the UHD Evolution Kit. I am looking at the box for my 2014 UHD Evolution Kit for my F9000 as I type this.
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our TVs will never be useless as long as they operate I know for a fact that my F9000 screen is 8-bit and I am OK with it. As I posted earlier, Samsung has both the HU8550 and HU9000 replacement LCD screens listed as 10-bit on their official parts site but that is the only place I have seen it. Where did you read that? It has a One Connect port and has been labeled as One Connect compatible in the future. It may already have HDMI 2.0 but as I have said before the chipsets are limited, so either you have full HDMI 2.0 or HDCP 2.2. Eventually, when there is an agreement on HDCP 2.2 there will be a chipset that contains both (this is all guesses on my part) and Samsung will get it in our hands via One Connects.
Seriously? That's encouraging no matter how you look at it. Up to this point, everyone who criticized samsung said flat out the panels in all their 2014 sets are 8-bit & that they only care about cutting costs. It annoys me when people make unsubstantiated claims, and here I am repeating other people's unsubstantiated claims
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Seriously? That's encouraging no matter how you look at it. Up to this point, everyone who criticized samsung said flat out the panels in all their 2014 sets are 8-bit & that they only care about cutting costs. It annoys me when people make unsubstantiated claims, and here I am repeating other people's unsubstantiated claims
Yeah. Here is my post from a few pages back. Like I said, this is the only place I have seen it:

"Back to the 10-bit thing, the replacement panel on the UN55HU8550 says it is 10-bit.....

http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN55HU8550FXZA

As does the UN65HU9000

http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN65HU9000FXZA

Take that for what it is. No clue if it is accurate."

Update: Links Fixed. Also this is an assumption that these are replacement panels so take it for what it is. There is also a part listed for the UN55HU8550 that has 8-bit in the description but it is almost half the price.

http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN55HU8550FXZA
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Is the LG OLED 55EA9800 also an 8 bit panel? I'm debating between that and a HU8700. But guys are reporting some display issues such as dead pixels, etc. after a year with their LG's. I realize it is not a 4K set. I know it is capable of displaying a lot of colors.
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Yeah. Here is my post from a few pages back. Like I said, this is the only place I have seen it:

"Back to the 10-bit thing, the replacement panel on the UN55HU8550 says it is 10-bit.....

http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN55HU8550FXZA

As does the UN65HU9000

http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN65HU9000FXZA

Take that for what it is. No clue if it is accurate."
links are broke

Did a quick search and found what you saw though -
http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN65HU9000FXZA

No idea how so many people swear it's an 8-bit panel. I guess nobody knows for sure. But if this is a 10-bit panel, then the combo of the panel + one connect box will keep this TV up to spec well into the future.
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Yeah. Here is my post from a few pages back. Like I said, this is the only place I have seen it:

"Back to the 10-bit thing, the replacement panel on the UN55HU8550 says it is 10-bit.....

http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN55HU8550FXZA

As does the UN65HU9000

http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN65HU9000FXZA

Take that for what it is. No clue if it is accurate."

Update: Links Fixed. Also this is an assumption that these are replacement panels so take it for what it is. There is also a part listed for the UN55HU8550 that has 8-bit in the description but it is almost half the price.

http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN55HU8550FXZA
And we can only find 10 bit info. Still no smoking gun. But yes it appears the panels are actually 10 bit panels this year. Still cautiously optimistic.
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links are broke

Did a quick search and found what you saw though -
http://www.samsungparts.com/Products...UN65HU9000FXZA

No idea how so many people swear it's an 8-bit panel. I guess nobody knows for sure. But if this is a 10-bit panel, then the combo of the panel + one connect box will keep this TV up to spec well into the future.
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And we can only find 10 bit info. Still no smoking gun. But yes it appears the panels are actually 10 bit panels this year. Still cautiously optimistic.
Like I said there is an 8-bit Open Cell Assembly listed under the hu8550 but the LCD-AMLCD (Active Matrix LCD) is listed as 10-bit. The HU9000 only has the LCD-AMLCD listed. Not definitive proof by any means. Parts aren't always what the seem on parts sites.

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