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Hi, guys…I've decided to start a new thread on these new 2014 4k TVs from Samsung so we can talk about them. Here are some links to more info about them:

HU8550 Series (55")
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55HU9000FXZA

HU9000 Series (55")
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55HU9000FXZA

HU8550 Spec Sheet
http://www.brandsmartusa.com/pdfs/manuals/20175428.pdf

I currently have an older Samsung UN55C8000 3D LED TV and it has served me very well over the last few years. Since the 4k TVs came out, I was seriously considering the 55F9000 as a replacement, but now I'm looking at this new 2014 series. As far as I can tell, here are the main differences between the HU8550 series and HU9000 series (this is after doing a comparison of the two sets on the Samsung website): HU9000 has Quad Core Plus processor, while the HU8550 has a standard Quad Core; the HU9000 is Smart Evolution Ready, whereas the HU8550 does not appear to have the same feature; the HU9000 has a pop-up camera while the HU8550 has no camera; the Clear Motion Rate on the HU9000 is 1440 while the HU8550 has a Clear Motion Rate of 1200; the HU9000 has Purcolor and Auto Depth Enhancer while the HU8550 does not have either feature.

Interestingly enough, if you review the Spec Sheet for the HU8550, it also suggests that there is no One Connect Box for this series. The sheet specifically mentions that the One Connect Box is sold separately…does this mean that the One Connect Box is not included with the HU8550 and all connections are made directly to the TV? If so, then I would give an edge to the older F9000 because I'm a HUGE fan of the One Connect Box idea and I would actually lean towards picking up the F9000.

As I understand it, these TVs also have an 8-bit panel, so I would assume that colors will be limited…this is a disappointment since I am not sure that these TVs would be able to accurately render a wide variety of colors according to the new HDMI 2.0 spec or whatever 4k standards will be established over time. I also find the HU9000 series to be INCREDIBLY annoying with the curved screen idea. I wish Samsung would have included these extra features on the 8550 flat series inasmuch as I do not see any great advantage of a curved screen. I will wait to see what the reviews say about these new series TVs and how they compare to the F9000. At this time, I'm torn between getting the 8550 or the older F9000 once that older series becomes cheaper. Presumably Samsung will release a new One Connect Box for the F9000 that will give it the same features as the 8550, so I'm wondering if that will be the best option for me.

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I'm in the same situation, deciding whether to wait for the 8550 or a price drop on the F9000, but any price drop with the 9000 will have to be more than enough to offset the cost of the One Connect Box to make it worth it.
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I completely agree…I'm wondering how much the One Connect Box upgrade would be for the F9000. If it winds up being about the same price between the F9000 and One Connect Box as compared to the HU8550, then I'd probably swing to the 8550. I'm just baffled at the One Connect Box dilemma and I'd love some kind of confirmation as to whether it will be included with the 8550.

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After CES ended I was dead set on getting either the Vizio Reference or the HU8500. Now I'm leaning more towards the HU9000. The Pur Color engine sounds like a must have feature for getting more natural colors and the Auto Depth Enhancer sounds like it would make a cool effect for CG animated movies (I would probably leave it off for non CG content). Also, I'm hesitant to admit it but ...... the curve is starting to grow on me. I went to college for interior design/engineering and the interior designer in me loves the thought of having a more unique looking TV in the living room. I've seen the curved 55" LG OLED in person and the curve wasn't too noticeable from the front view. I'm thinking about a 65" HU9000 so it will be interesting to see how the curve looks at that size. Of course uniformity and the off angle viewing experience will decide if I stick with the 9000.

I'm also thinking about waiting for CES 2015. Next year should bring Dolby HDR support and 12 bit panels, both of which contribute to a better UHD experience that goes beyond just higher resolution.

Also, just a heads up:

1. The HU8500 is evolution kit ready according to Samsung's US site.

2. The HU8500 doesn't come with the One Connect box because it has all of the ports built in to the back. The 9000 requires the One Connect box due to the lack of built in ports (I'm guessing this is due to the curve).
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Next year should bring Dolby HDR support and 12 bit panels

How do you figure that?

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Next year should bring Dolby HDR support and 12 bit panels
How do you figure that?

Just a guess based on the prototypes that manufacturers had at this years CES. Samsung in particular displayed a "suped up" version of their S9 that had a type of HDR that could be used with any content. Higher bit palels was mentioned briefly in a Samsung interview (it was in reference to Rec. 2020). Also, the Dolby HDR specs should be finalized by next year.

So far the Vizio reference series currently has both HDR support and a 10 bit panel. Sony's top 2 4K TVs feature a proprietary HDR system. So as you can see there are already production ready TVs with these features. I would be shocked if Samsung didn't bring these features to a production ready set in 2015.

Of course, both HDR and higher bit panels need supported content to really shine. We are already starving for UHD content and I'm sure it will take even longer for HDR and wide color to work their way in. That's why I may just get the HU9000.
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Samsung does not work with Dolby HDR 
It has no prototype with Dolby HDR

 

Dolby HDR works only with

 Sharp, TCL, and Vizio 

 

only vizio Led to a Dolby HDR This year

samsung have prototype HDR bat no with dolby 

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Its true that the Samsung prototype didn't use Dolby HDR but that doesn't mean they won't work with Dolby when the standards are finalized.

Hopefully Samsung makes one soon. From what I've heard, HDR makes a huge difference.
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I read somewhere that the 8500 had software based microdimming where as the 9000 has hardware based microdimming.....I tried to find the article I read it in but I can't so did I just make this up?

Also the prices are leaked here
http://hdguru.com/samsungs-2014-4kuhdtv-and-high-end-hdtv-prices-leaked/
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As far as I can tell, the Samsung site is silent on how the dimming works (hardware vs. software). After reviewing the HD Guru article, I'm thoroughly confused about the One Connect Box. The spec sheet for the 8550 says it's "sold separately," but the article says that the One Connect Box is included. I wonder which is correct?

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I read somewhere that the 8500 had software based microdimming where as the 9000 has hardware based microdimming.....I tried to find the article I read it in but I can't so did I just make this up?

Also the prices are leaked here
http://hdguru.com/samsungs-2014-4kuhdtv-and-high-end-hdtv-prices-leaked/

"HU9000 Series UHDTVs

UN55H9000 (55-inch); Retail: $TBA, UPP: $3999.99

UN65H9000 (65-inch); Retail: $TBA, UPP: $4999.99

UN78H9000 (78-inch); Retail: $TBA, UPP: $7999.99"


$5000 for Samsungs 65" 4K LED/LCD flagship TV is certainly more realistic than Sony's MSRP of $8000 for the 65" X950B ($8000), but it's still pretty high for an edge-lit set.

The 'flat' Sharp LC70UQ17U 70" 4K-/1080p+ LED/LCD flagship TV is also edge-lit and should have a picture that is indistinguishable from the H9000, but it has an MSRP of $4000 and already has a street price of $3300 (for an additional 5" at that).

The 'flat' 65" Vizio 4K FALD P-Series has an MSRP of $2200, and while the 65" Vizio Reference Series flagship TV has not been priced yet, I don't expect it to come in with an MSRP over $4000, especially with the 70" Sharp UQ already being available for $3300 and the Samsung UN65H9000 being at $5000.

Unless customers are willing to pay a premium for the curve, difficult to see that Samsung is going to be wildly successful with the HU9000 at that pricing...
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As far as I can tell, the Samsung site is silent on how the dimming works (hardware vs. software). After reviewing the HD Guru article, I'm thoroughly confused about the One Connect Box. The spec sheet for the 8550 says it's "sold separately," but the article says that the One Connect Box is included. I wonder which is correct?

Both the 9000 and the 8550 (and possibly the H8000) use Precision Black Local Dimming which is a mix of hardware and software (the Samsung site says: "It dims LEDs behind the darkest area of the picture for greater contrast and darker blacks"). According to someone on these forums who spoke to a Samsung rep, the 9000 and 8550 are both edge lit but the LEDs are in a zigzag pattern to help with uniformity and local dimming.

As for the One Connect box, I'm pretty sure it's a separate purchase for the 8550. A I said above, the 8550 has built in inputs like a standard flat screen. The One Connect box would purely be for updates (example: some of the 2013 F9000 owners are buying the 2014 One Connect box to get HDMI 2.0). As for the HU9000, it comes with the One Connect box because it doesn't have built in inputs.
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As far as I can tell, the Samsung site is silent on how the dimming works (hardware vs. software). After reviewing the HD Guru article, I'm thoroughly confused about the One Connect Box. The spec sheet for the 8550 says it's "sold separately," but the article says that the One Connect Box is included. I wonder which is correct?

Both the 9000 and the 8550 (and possibly the H8000) use Precision Black Local Dimming which is a mix of hardware and software (the Samsung site says: "It dims LEDs behind the darkest area of the picture for greater contrast and darker blacks"). According to someone on these forums who spoke to a Samsung rep, the 9000 and 8550 are both edge lit but the LEDs are in a zigzag pattern to help with uniformity and local dimming.

As for the One Connect box, I'm pretty sure it's a separate purchase for the 8550. A I said above, the 8550 has built in inputs like a standard flat screen. The One Connect box would purely be for updates (example: some of the 2013 F9000 owners are buying the 2014 One Connect box to get HDMI 2.0). As for the HU9000, it comes with the One Connect box because it doesn't have built in inputs.


Scratching my head over what that means, but in any case, it will be interesting to see how the Samsung 2014 edge-lit panels compare to Sharps 2014 edge-lit offerings...

Those two are the only vendors that appear to have completely forgone any FALD offering in 2014 (with I guess maybe LG as well, though LG has an excuse with the primary focus on OLED this year, as well as the fact that they had a 2013 FALD offering which remains available...).
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these TVs also have an 8-bit panel

Does this mean that the screen will be 8 BIT that 16.7 million colors   ?

 

Is Curved hits in three dimensions  ?

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I'm interested in the 75" 8550 but it looks to be an entry 4k set with size as it's calling card. For the price listed they should have thrown in one or more up scaled features from the 9000 series.
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As far as I can tell, the Samsung site is silent on how the dimming works (hardware vs. software). After reviewing the HD Guru article, I'm thoroughly confused about the One Connect Box. The spec sheet for the 8550 says it's "sold separately," but the article says that the One Connect Box is included. I wonder which is correct?

From CNET: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un60hu8500/4505-6482_7-35833867.html


Among the two 4K/UHD resolution LED LCD TVs we reviewed in 2013, the Samsung UNF9000 series was our favorite. The UNHU8500 is its closest match in the company's 2014 lineup.

It's available in a massive range of five sizes: 75, 65, 60, 55, and 50 inches. It arrives this April, and pricing has not been announced.

Among exotic sets like the curved HU9000 and exorbitant S9, the HU8500 is a sort of everyman's 4K resolution Samsung. Samsung says it has improved the upscaling to make 1080p and other non-4K content look better, and it also touts a color-improving thingy called "PurColor."

More important from a picture quality perspective in my book is the presence of the same kind of actual, hardware-based local dimming that helped make the UNF9000 one of the best-performing LED LCDs of last year. It's also worth noting that you can't get that kind of local dimming in a flat 1080p TV from Samsung this year; the only 1080p model to have it, the UNH8000 series, is curved.
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Both the 9000 and the 8550 (and possibly the H8000) use Precision Black Local Dimming which is a mix of hardware and software (the Samsung site says: "It dims LEDs behind the darkest area of the picture for greater contrast and darker blacks"). According to someone on these forums who spoke to a Samsung rep, the 9000 and 8550 are both edge lit but the LEDs are in a zigzag pattern to help with uniformity and local dimming.

As for the One Connect box, I'm pretty sure it's a separate purchase for the 8550. A I said above, the 8550 has built in inputs like a standard flat screen. The One Connect box would purely be for updates (example: some of the 2013 F9000 owners are buying the 2014 One Connect box to get HDMI 2.0). As for the HU9000, it comes with the One Connect box because it doesn't have built in inputs.

Thanks for the confirmation on the One Connect Box…I'm disappointed that the 8550 won't have the One Connect Box and while the specs on the 9000 sound very impressive, the curved screen isn't exactly my cup of tea. I'll be seriously considering the older F9000 as a result.
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From CNET: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un60hu8500/4505-6482_7-35833867.html


Among the two 4K/UHD resolution LED LCD TVs we reviewed in 2013, the Samsung UNF9000 series was our favorite. The UNHU8500 is its closest match in the company's 2014 lineup.

It's available in a massive range of five sizes: 75, 65, 60, 55, and 50 inches. It arrives this April, and pricing has not been announced.

Among exotic sets like the curved HU9000 and exorbitant S9, the HU8500 is a sort of everyman's 4K resolution Samsung. Samsung says it has improved the upscaling to make 1080p and other non-4K content look better, and it also touts a color-improving thingy called "PurColor."

More important from a picture quality perspective in my book is the presence of the same kind of actual, hardware-based local dimming that helped make the UNF9000 one of the best-performing LED LCDs of last year. It's also worth noting that you can't get that kind of local dimming in a flat 1080p TV from Samsung this year; the only 1080p model to have it, the UNH8000 series, is curved.

Thanks for the CNET link…this is useful info to clarify some of the differences between these two models.

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1. Do not understand why only 8 BIT HDMI 2.0 gives 12 BIT  ?

 

2. Curved Panel how is work with 3D  ?

 

3. Do not understand how Wide Color Enhancer Plus screen 8 BIT panel  ?

 

4. Is the total 16.7 million colors ?

 

5. why only 120hz and not 240hz ( like 1080P tv )

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1. Do not understand why only 8 BIT HDMI 2.0 gives 12 BIT  ?

HDMI 2.0 may provide video in 12 bit resolution, but the native resolution of the panel is only 8 bit.

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3. Do not understand how Wide Color Enhancer Plus screen 8 BIT panel ?

I'm not sure what Wide Color Enhancer Plus is, but it sounds like an expanded color space. Think of the color space as the size of the triangle and the number of bits as the number of available points within that triangle. You can make the triangle bigger but not add any more points by just spreading the same number of points around more (spaced further apart).
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4. Is the total 16.7 million colors ?

An 8-bit panel supports only 16.7 million colors. If those 16.7 million colors are distributed over a smaller color space (triangle) like rec.709, they will be spaced more closely together. If those 16.7 million colors are distributed over a larger color space (triangle) like rec.2020, they will be spaced farther apart.

If that same larger color space is covered on a panel with 10 bit resolution, there would be 1024 times as many colors (so over 1 billion colors total) over the same color triangle, meaning that each of those colors would be spaced much closer together...

I don't believe panels supporting 12 bit color exist yet, but if they ever do, they would support over 68 billion colors...

Colors can be transmitted at 12-bit precision through HDMI2.0, they can be computed and modified in 12-bit or higher precision (for example, for frame interpolation of 'pixel-level-tuning', and they can even be transmitted to the panel in 12-bit (or higher) precision. But if the panel has a native resolution of only 8 (or 10) bits, the incoming color will end up being rounded and 'snapped' t the nearest available color from the panels more limited color palette of 16.7 million (or 1+ billion) colors.
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Are these 8-bit plus dithering? I can not imagine buying an 8-bit panel in 2014, but 8-bit plus dithering would not be the end of the world. As far as 12-bit support, the w900a accepts and recognizes 12-bit color.
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Are these 8-bit plus dithering? I can not imagine buying an 8-bit panel in 2014, but 8-bit plus dithering would not be the end of the world. As far as 12-bit support, the w900a accepts and recognizes 12-bit color.

'Accepting and recognizing' is easy - the question is what it gets mapped to if the panel itself is not 12-bit...
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'Accepting and recognizing' is easy - the question is what it gets mapped to if the panel itself is not 12-bit...

Oh yes, it most likely is remapping as I am pretty sure the w900a uses a 10-bit panel, not 12-bit. I thought you were talking about accepting and processing the signal tongue.gif
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'Accepting and recognizing' is easy - the question is what it gets mapped to if the panel itself is not 12-bit...

Oh yes, it most likely is remapping as I am pretty sure the w900a uses a 10-bit panel, not 12-bit. I thought you were talking about accepting and processing the signal tongue.gif

I think this whole discussion started because '6311' was confused how a TV with HDMI2.0 could only have an 8-bit panel...
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HDMI 2.0 may provide video in 12 bit resolution, but the native resolution of the panel is only 8 bit.

So I asked why Samsung chose not to build a screen with 12 BIT or 10 BIT?

if panel 1080P give you 10bit .

Where progress, this advanced question for you?

 

 

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I'm not sure what Wide Color Enhancer Plus is, but it sounds like an expanded color space

If you do not know what you answers,Please do not answer .

 

All your answers to my questions unrelated

 

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As far as 12-bit support, the w900a accepts and recognizes 12-bit color.

Sony does not even supports partial screen at 12-bit, you make things

Sony never claimed that supports - 12 BIT

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you're confused 

You make things up, please no answer me 

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HDMI 2.0 may provide video in 12 bit resolution, but the native resolution of the panel is only 8 bit.
So I asked why Samsung chose not to build a screen with 12 BIT or 10 BIT?
if panel 1080P give you 10bit .
Where progress, this advanced question for you?

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As far as 12-bit support, the w900a accepts and recognizes 12-bit color.
Sony does not even supports partial screen at 12-bit, you make things
Sony never claimed that supports - 12 BIT
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I think this whole discussion started because '6311' was confused how a TV with HDMI2.0 could only have an 8-bit panel..
you're confused 
You make things up, please no answer me 

I was only trying to be helpful. Suggest you put a bit more effort into making your questions more clear...
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I was only trying to be helpful. Suggest you put a bit more effort into making your questions more clear...

I'm sorry, your understanding is not serious 
Before you answer you should find out what the question 
Do not blame the world for your misunderstanding

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I'm sorry, your understanding is not serious 
Before you answer you should find out what the question 
Do not blame the world for your misunderstanding

No offence, but it looks like you use google translate, the sentences are strange to read sometimes and makes it confusing to answer. 

It probably not your questions that are strange, but the translation is. 

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No offence, but it looks like you use google translate, the sentences are strange to read sometimes and makes it confusing to answer. 

It probably not your questions that are strange, but the translation is. 

Or low level of his answers! 

HE copies  things that he finds in Google !

Or maybe he  has several names ( martinuz )

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Or low level of his answers! 

HE copies  things that he finds in Google !

Or maybe he  has several names ( martinuz )

no it's not me. I try to give a good answer or say nothing at all. Good luck.

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From CNET: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un60hu8500/4505-6482_7-35833867.html


Among exotic sets like the curved HU9000 and exorbitant S9, the HU8500 is a sort of everyman's 4K resolution Samsung. Samsung says it has improved the upscaling to make 1080p and other non-4K content look better, and it also touts a color-improving thingy called "PurColor."

The HU8550 does not have PurColor. Also, I don't know about "everyman's 4K". There will be quite a few less expensive models on the market.

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