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So, ive never taken photos of an TV before, but this is my 55" 900B in my bedroom with lights turned completely off watching Pacific Rim.

Settings on TV - Cinema, Cinema 2, Backlight - 8, Motion Flow True Cinema. Everything else has just slighty been adjusted, maybe a color at 48, but close to specs of out of the box.

Camera - Fuji XT1 mounted to bed iso200, aperture 5.6 shutter varied between 1-2 seconds, Lens - 56mm set at 5.6 aperture. I shot in jpeg (i usually shoot raw but wanted to do as little adjusting as possible if any at all) and used Standard Film Simulation with no enhancements anywhere, uploaded to my phone and then uploaded here so im sure they are scaled down a bit (didnt feel like importing them computer as they looked good on my iPhone.)

Bluray Player - Oppo 103-D with Darby set to 15%, no other enhancements or adjustments made to player, also i have the player set to 1080p and not upscaled to 4K on the player.

I think i might have crushed the blacks slightly, i used the fuji remote app to adjust the settings on board without touching the camera which was resting on top of my bedframe, and since it was mirror less cam it gave me opportunity to view the image to match as close i could to what i saw on screen before hitting the shutter via the app.

Im sure you guys will give me constructive criticism as to how i could have done this better!
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Hey Vegas I am kinda embarrassed to ask, but I bet you know... but what does DSE stand for and mean? I am guessing it means digital signal error? But what does that look like?

Gee there is soooo much to relearn all over before another new purchase rolls slowly around for me every 6 to 8 years! This potato head forgets!

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At the start of this video it shows the 79x900b and the 65 on a mostly black screen and the 79s blacks look noticeably lighter. Who knows what the settings of the TVs are like though.

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Hey Vegas I am kinda embarrassed to ask, but I bet you know... but what does DSE stand for and mean? I am guessing it means digital signal error? But what does that look like?

Gee there is soooo much to relearn all over before another new purchase rolls slowly around for me every 6 to 8 years! This potato head forgets!

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Hey Vegas I am kinda embarrassed to ask, but I bet you know... but what does DSE stand for and mean? I am guessing it means digital signal error? But what does that look like?

Gee there is soooo much to relearn all over before another new purchase rolls slowly around for me every 6 to 8 years! This potato head forgets!

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At the start of this video it shows the 79x900b and the 65 on a mostly black screen and the 79s blacks look noticeably lighter. Who knows what the settings of the TVs are like though.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W-nK61CNJZ4
Good luck trying to determine black levels from that video! His video was mostly over-exposed and really did little to shed any light on black levels. Videos as well as pictures from a screen just won't show you this kind of detail.

Black levels might be the weakness of the 79", but this video won't answer that question.
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Good luck trying to determine black levels from that video! His video was mostly over-exposed and really did little to shed any light on black levels. Videos as well as pictures from a screen just won't show you this kind of detail.

Black levels might be the weakness of the 79", but this video won't answer that question.
The right one and the left one looks the same size.

And if they really have different sizes - the right one looks darker - but in the video, the right one is the 79 inch I think.
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Just wanted to post my feedback from the 65" set. I've had three delivered so far in quite the horror run.

1) Screen completely smashed
2) Banding and a dead pixel. Also a sizeable mark under the screen which couldn't be removed.
3) A massive green blob on the screen against black. One of the weirdest defects I've ever seen. I saw a few mentions of green blobs in this thread and sure enough this one has it. Also has bad light bleed at the top edge.

So needless to say the quality control is woeful on this one. Apparently there have been record numbers of returns on this set and I mentioned earlier that there is a full investigation into the quality control going on (in Australia at least).

Other observations. 3d cross-talk is seriously bad. Worst 3d TV I've owned.

The disappointing thing is that the TV is just so good, if it didn't have these faults I'd be so happy. The way the local dimming works for an edge lit is crazy. The up scaler is excellent, from 720p up looks really clear.

I don't think you'll find a set without banding but I've never seen an LED without banding so I don't know how much stock to put in that. I wouldn't say it's worse banding just similar to most other sets. The banding is worse against green (ie World Cup) then it is against white (hockey).

I'm going to keep going. Having owned a full-array 950 1080p set I rate the local dimming on this very high so I'd be inclined to recommend this of the two. I don't think I'll find a set I like more of the current crop. If you don't have a lot of time on your hands and a store with a good replacement policy, I would avoid this think like the plague.
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At the start of this video it shows the 79x900b and the 65 on a mostly black screen and the 79s blacks look noticeably lighter. Who knows what the settings of the TVs are like though.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W-nK61CNJZ4

At the beginning of the video, the 79" is on the RIGHT. He introduces it in the audio later.
Go to the 1:39 mark and you will see that the tripod is next to the tv that was originally on the left.
You can also us the soccer/futbol lines on the carpet to get the proper perspective.


BTW - getting my 79" next Thursday.
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Just wanted to post my feedback from the 65" set. I've had three delivered so far in quite the horror run.

1) Screen completely smashed
2) Banding and a dead pixel. Also a sizeable mark under the screen which couldn't be removed.
3) A massive green blob on the screen against black. One of the weirdest defects I've ever seen. I saw a few mentions of green blobs in this thread and sure enough this one has it. Also has bad light bleed at the top edge.

So needless to say the quality control is woeful on this one. Apparently there have been record numbers of returns on this set and I mentioned earlier that there is a full investigation into the quality control going on (in Australia at least).

Other observations. 3d cross-talk is seriously bad. Worst 3d TV I've owned.

The disappointing thing is that the TV is just so good, if it didn't have these faults I'd be so happy. The way the local dimming works for an edge lit is crazy. The up scaler is excellent, from 720p up looks really clear.

I don't think you'll find a set without banding but I've never seen an LED without banding so I don't know how much stock to put in that. I wouldn't say it's worse banding just similar to most other sets. The banding is worse against green (ie World Cup) then it is against white (hockey).

I'm going to keep going. Having owned a full-array 950 1080p set I rate the local dimming on this very high so I'd be inclined to recommend this of the two. I don't think I'll find a set I like more of the current crop. If you don't have a lot of time on your hands and a store with a good replacement policy, I would avoid this think like the plague.
Im not sure if you can pull this off where you live, but for me if I was having issues with a TV and had to return and exchange to a local store, Best Buy for example, I would (if i had resources) order the new unit to be sent to the store first and would not take possession until i got a chance to inspect the unit in front of store staff/management.

I had a defective 850B which i exchanged for a 900B, the first 900B came with a huge black and green blob across the screen. I had the second 900B dropped to the store first and then i was given the chance to inspect it before they would deliver. It delayed my a couple of days but it was worth it and i feel i was able to get a good panel.

I have a close friend who works for Sony, Territory Manager and I didn't mention my experience to him, rather he found out from another friend and he called and took detailed notes as to my experience. It seemed Sony wants to work very closely with their vendors on issues, how they are delivered etc. Ive worked many years ago in a delivery distribution center and can tell you these things take huge hits unfortunately in the delivery process and are not always direct fault of the manufacturer. All brands obviously not just Sony.
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Sony is have a lot of returns on 4K sets for quality control issues. I believe a lot of the problem is the poor packaging for such a heavy set.
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All I want is a picture that preserves the film-like look of the source material (when applicable), like plasma did, without noticeable motion blur, with no major set artifacts that you would notice during normal content screening. I have seen sets that look hideous on the white, black or grey test slides -- DSE, flashighting, etc. -- where those issues aren't distracting during content. One of my plasma has horrible IR issues (but no burn-in), but I only notice it on solid color screens which short of commercials is almost never. No set is perfect but I want to become immersed in a movie theater-like experience (and am not going to a projector). So far I haven't tested any LCD at the store, including the 65" 900, that didn't lose some of that film-like look and presume some of that sharp video-like look. Can the 900 be calibrated to get there? If so, great.
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Any access to actual 4k movies?
Don't understand what you ment ?
I only have ADSL2+ internet connection, about 16Mbits/s down, so I have not tried to play directly from internet as right now it lacks support for H.265/HEVC...
It does play most 4K videos I have downloded to my NAS from YouTube etc...
My main goal for the moment with the Minix Neo X8H (without copy to a USB-stick and running between floors) is to play "Slideshows" in 4K with music – the slideshows I will make myself from my photos + plus some timelaps I will try to make...
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Sony is have a lot of returns on 4K sets for quality control issues. I believe a lot of the problem is the poor packaging for such a heavy set.
I agree with this, there was a huge (obviously) difference in the weight between the two tvs i got 850 and 900, yet the packaging was identical which surprised me.
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No, laying an LCD/LED flat CAN cause uniformity issues. These tv's are made to support there weight vertically so when you lay them flat there is not enough support in the middle of the panel which can cause distortions along the edges of the screen. The likely hood of this happening is increased if the tv is laid flat for prolonged periods of time, if the panel has a glass overlay or if it is being transported.
Lets do a test then, wait we can not as all LED's and LCD's have uniformity issues to some degree to begin with .

TV's should be transported upright because glass type products should be transported this way for damage issues . I highly doubt transporting a TV flat will cause any manufacturers defects. I could be wrong, but we will never know.......
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At the beginning of the video, the 79" is on the RIGHT. He introduces it in the audio later.
Go to the 1:39 mark and you will see that the tripod is next to the tv that was originally on the left.
You can also us the soccer/futbol lines on the carpet to get the proper perspective.


BTW - getting my 79" next Thursday.
Looking forward to your report. I'd like to hear more on black levels in a darkened environment, as the two owners thus far haven't spoken much about it.

Good luck!
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At the beginning of the video, the 79" is on the RIGHT. He introduces it in the audio later.
Go to the 1:39 mark and you will see that the tripod is next to the tv that was originally on the left.
You can also us the soccer/futbol lines on the carpet to get the proper perspective.


BTW - getting my 79" next Thursday.
Ron,


I have mine, in theory, coming next sat.
I am still on the fence and might cancel the order due the passive 3d.
While it seems to provide a better image, in the future, if and when 4k 3d is available, the set would not be able to provide a full res 4k pic.
It is a minor issue, but when spending 8k on a TV, every minor/future usage counts.
Thoughts?


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I second that the X9 packaging is not sufficient for your typical freight delivery. Ok for mulitiple TV's upright on a pallet from manufacturer to retailer. But no guarantees what happens with this thing traveling cross country, laying flat on top of someone elses refrigerator (or worse on bottom) in the back of a packed semi trailer.

Speaking of trasporting LCD TV's laying flat, I'm about to transport a 65S990A (Sony's short lived curved screen flagship) about 1200 miles laying flat. The biggest question I have is if I should transport curved screen up or curved screen down. Will post back how it goes.
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the 65" is a hold for now because of all the bad panels people are getting. I'm going to wait and see if owners start returning the 79" before jumping in. I love where the price on the 65" is now, but have no confidence based on all these sucky experiences.
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Finally got my new Sony XBR-70X850B.This TV is absolutely stunning to say the least! In the process of wiring up new Comcast HD box,PS4,Xbox 1, Sony 6200 DVD player. Also picked up the new Denon AVR-S900W 4k receiver to tie it all together! Stay tuned for pics
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Looking forward to your report. I'd like to hear more on black levels in a darkened environment, as the two owners thus far haven't spoken much about it.
It's an IPS panel, of course it's going to be less than stellar, and certainly not up to the VA panel in the 65".
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Finally got my new Sony XBR-70X850B.This TV is absolutely stunning to say the least! In the process of wiring up new Comcast HD box,PS4,Xbox 1, Sony 6200 DVD player. Also picked up the new Denon AVR-S900W 4k receiver to tie it all together! Stay tuned for pics
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It's an IPS panel, of course it's going to be less than stellar, and certainly not up to the VA panel in the 65".
Anyone confirmed the panel make then?
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It's an IPS panel, of course it's going to be less than stellar, and certainly not up to the VA panel in the 65".
In theory, but I'll wait for actual owner reports or a hands-on myself. What I have found is that the color and viewing angle do seem the best I've yet seen. Viewing angle is really very close to plasma from what I saw. So in terms of overall performance, we'll have to see how much of a hit we take in black levels. A slight hit might be worthwhile for other enhanced attributes...at least for some.
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Anyone confirmed the panel make then?
The assumption is LG. There doesn't seem to be anyone else making a 79" panel.
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This is my current set at 10 IRE not bad and why I consider this much better than my first one.

I can expose the banding worse with certain grey scales and still can see slight banding with content and this is one of the better sets. The 950B does seem much better with uniformity but they still have DSE.
Your screen looks virtually the same as the XBR-65X900B that Sony delivered to my home last Friday.
The good news is that other than the unevenness with certain shades of grey, I never notice the issue
with regular tv watching or blu-ray videos.

And it's MUCH better than last years XBR-65X850A that I used to have.
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In theory, but I'll wait for actual owner reports or a hands-on myself. What I have found is that the color and viewing angle do seem the best I've yet seen. Viewing angle is really very close to plasma from what I saw. So in terms of overall performance, we'll have to see how much of a hit we take in black levels. A slight hit might be worthwhile for other enhanced attributes...at least for some.

That is my working premise. I have a large room and I really can't stand the color shift and washed out look of the off angle of some TVs. I love great black levels but for my application size and angle will have to trump that.
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That is my working premise. I have a large room and I really can't stand the color shift and washed out look of the off angle of some TVs. I love great black levels but for my application size and angle will have to trump that.

Just got word my 79" will be here tomorrow!!!
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Just got word my 79" will be here tomorrow!!!
Please let us know about the black levels. The 900B is an excellent performer in this area, it's the only reason I still have this set.
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