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It would not be the hdmi cable they will work or not work.
Playing 3d on the ps3 helped a lot.
Ghosting has been reduced compared to the samsung bray i was using...am not quite sure why...yet

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Update:

- black levels: not very good
Black bars top/bottom bad (top worse)
Sample sony woman singing video is worse than samsung hu8550 (red dress/color better on sony)
Led set to low, not much change from off; on high, black fluctuate too much

- 3d: extreme ghosting
Setting scene to auto helps, but still bad
Can see horizontal lines on white/light colors

I am not sure of next steps. I knew that no led tv would be perfect (clouding and banding exist and i am ok with those), but black levels and 3d are just not up to par for a 8k tv.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Wie checked the 79inch in Germany, and the black Level is exact what you describe, very dissapointing

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As noted in earlier posts, the Sony XBR65X900B is on sale now at BestBuy, Amazon and the Sony Store for $700 off MSRP. Amazon additionally offers 2% back in rewards.
The sale is from July 20-26, 2014. Sorry for people looking for the 79" version, which is not on sale.
I might have to enter the Panel Lottery (PL) today...

Can anyone who has this TV comment on the quality when watching 3d Blu-ray movies which I am interested in using this TV for? I've heard that it is not that good....
Also, what would be a good panel mount which would compensate for the wedge shape and mount the screen parallel to the wall surface or even tilt slightly downward.

BestBuy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65-class-64-1-2-diag--led-4k-ultra-hd-tv-2160p-120hz-smart-3d-hdtv/5007004.p?id=1219106282064&skuId=5007004
Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Sony Store:
http://store.sony.com/64.5-diag-x900...GseH_4-EqesoKR

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Update:

- black levels: not very good
Black bars top/bottom bad (top worse)
Sample sony woman singing video is worse than samsung hu8550 (red dress/color better on sony)
Led set to low, not much change from off; on high, black fluctuate too much

- 3d: extreme ghosting
Setting scene to auto helps, but still bad
Can see horizontal lines on white/light colors

I am not sure of next steps. I knew that no led tv would be perfect (clouding and banding exist and i am ok with those), but black levels and 3d are just not up to par for a 8k tv.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
I'm not really sure how to help you on the 3D. It sounds like your getting a variable experience based on source. And we have seen reviews of the LG set that likely uses the same panel that is getting rave 3D reviews, so if there are inherent ghosting and other problems with this set's 3D it sounds like Sony really messed up the execution at the firmware level.

On black levels:

1) Get one of the calibration discs (or the free download on this site) if you don't have one and at least do the basic test screens and settings to dial-in the picture settings a bit. Or have you already done this? Out of the box it may be massively over pumping the backlight, etc.

2) If that doesn't materially improve it, return the set. Personal decision on whether you give Sony a second chance with this model or not.
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I'm not really sure how to help you on the 3D. It sounds like your getting a variable experience based on source. And we have seen reviews of the LG set that likely uses the same panel that is getting rave 3D reviews, so if there are inherent ghosting and other problems with this set's 3D it sounds like Sony really messed up the execution at the firmware level.

On black levels:

1) Get one of the calibration discs (or the free download on this site) if you don't have one and at least do the basic test screens and settings to dial-in the picture settings a bit. Or have you already done this? Out of the box it may be massively over pumping the backlight, etc.

2) If that doesn't materially improve it, return the set. Personal decision on whether you give Sony a second chance with this model or not.
Backlight is set to 2. Also tried on "min".
Keep in mind, i am watching the tv on a media/theater room with no windows
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As noted in earlier posts, the Sony XBR65X900B is on sale now at BestBuy, Amazon and the Sony Store for $700 off MSRP. Amazon additionally offers 2% back in rewards.
The sale is from July 20-26, 2014. Sorry for people looking for the 79" version, which is not on sale.
I might have to enter the Panel Lottery (PL) today...

Can anyone who has this TV comment on the quality when watching 3d Blu-ray movies which I am interested in using this TV for? I've heard that it is not that good....
Also, what would be a good panel mount which would compensate for the wedge shape and mount the screen parallel to the wall surface or even tilt slightly downward.

BestBuy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65-class-64-1-2-diag--led-4k-ultra-hd-tv-2160p-120hz-smart-3d-hdtv/5007004.p?id=1219106282064&skuId=5007004
Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Sony Store:
http://store.sony.com/64.5-diag-x900...GseH_4-EqesoKR
79 is showing $1k off both on sony and best buy's site.
My guess is they were forced to do so by samsung as all their sets have been on "sale" since inception

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I spent some time with a 950B this evening and while it is the best LED I have ever watched I decided the additional money I would need to spend would not be in my budget. I have decided to stay with OLED as for now it offers the best picture available.

I look forward to the 4K 77" OLED being available on a working stiffs budget. The 65900B is a great set, I just want my jump in technology to be to OLED instead of 4K until I can afford both. My original goal was OLED and I was side stepped my the fact 4K really is incredible.

I recommend anyone on the fence on the 950B wait until the 65 OLED 4K comes out, it should be around $9,000 and already shows up on Fry's internal system, it should be available in 90 days or less.

I hope some of my experimenting helped some members on the 900 forum, what I liked most about owning a 900B is sharing on this forum with such loyal Sony owners. I am looking forward to seeing what Ken finally ends up with, he is a true asset to this forum and all of the others he contributes too. Yes Carlos, I made this decision one step faster so I didn't have to hear it. I thought about what your prediction was and decided not to go through the motions of the 950B and still ending at OLED.

4K is awesome it is the future and I cannot wait until it is displayed on a 4K OLED panel.
Thanks Vegas. So it's done, the slate is clean and what you have left in the house is the 55" LG. I can't say I'm shocked.

I still haven't seen any of the B models in anything other than the bright lights of BB...not even Magnolia.

I really don't know what I'll wind up with and I'm hoping the VE shootout will help with that decision. With that said, I do have reservations about OLED, despite the perfect black levels. I was really expecting/hoping my next display would be free of IR, burn-in, or ABL concerns and if I go OLED, it won't. I probably can deal better with the motion issues.

The only thing that surprises me with your decision is the size issue. I thought you might be happy enough with the black levels of the 65" 900B to accept that tradeoff for a very significant increase of 10". Aside from the issue of "HD only", I never really considered the 55" based on size alone. But I guess if you can work with that size, it should be fine until prices drop on large screen OLEDs, if that's the only tech you'll consider.

I'm sure in the end it will work out for you and I'd be lying if I told you I didn't enjoy the "Vegas Soap Opera". I think it got very high Nielsen ratings.
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Update:

- black levels: not very good
Black bars top/bottom bad (top worse)
Sample sony woman singing video is worse than samsung hu8550 (red dress/color better on sony)
Led set to low, not much change from off; on high, black fluctuate too much

I am not sure of next steps. I knew that no led tv would be perfect (clouding and banding exist and i am ok with those), but black levels and 3d are just not up to par for a 8k tv.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Not very encouraging and certainly not what we wanted to hear.

Are you sure all your settings are where they should be? I wish I could help you out with those.
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Wie checked the 79inch in Germany, and the black Level is exact what you describe, very dissapointing
Link? Who or what is "Wie"?
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Playing 3d on the ps3 helped a lot.
Ghosting has been reduced compared to the samsung bray i was using...am not quite sure why...yet
Could be the 3d setting on the blu ray player. Could also be the 3d setting on the tv. You can changed the 3d to -2 to +2 and there's a mode that will change it on it's own. Best setting is at 0.
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Not very encouraging and certainly not what we wanted to hear.

Are you sure all your settings are where they should be? I wish I could help you out with those.
Ken,
I have tried pretty much everything.
It seems the dimming is not doing a very good work or maybe trying to over compensate, when set to standard, for the panel's native contrast.
With backlight at 2 or min, you see very little difference between low and off. It looks like the tv is illuminating a much bigger area than it should/need.
With samsara logo on the opening all areas are somewhat lit.
When watching 3d, any bright area shows visible horizontal lines....even my wife was able to see them.
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As noted in earlier posts, the Sony XBR65X900B is on sale now at BestBuy, Amazon and the Sony Store for $700 off MSRP. Amazon additionally offers 2% back in rewards.
That price is still a high........
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79 is showing $1k off both on sony and best buy's site.
My guess is they were forced to do so by samsung as all their sets have been on "sale" since inception
The race to zero is on, has been on for a few months now.....
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I have tried pretty much everything.
It seems the dimming is not doing a very good work or maybe trying to over compensate, when set to standard, for the panel's native contrast.
With backlight at 2 or min, you see very little difference between low and off. It looks like the tv is illuminating a much bigger area than it should/need.
With samsara logo on the opening all areas are somewhat lit.
When watching 3d, any bright area shows visible horizontal lines....even my wife was able to see them.
Wow, that's really unfortunate. I wonder if our other 79" owners can comment on this to see if this is inherent in all the 79" 900Bs. At least then you'd know if there's something not quite right with your sample.

Thus far your report is the most pessimistic of the few we've had.
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Update:

- black levels: not very good
Black bars top/bottom bad (top worse)
Sample sony woman singing video is worse than samsung hu8550 (red dress/color better on sony)
Led set to low, not much change from off; on high, black fluctuate too much

- 3d: extreme ghosting
Setting scene to auto helps, but still bad
Can see horizontal lines on white/light colors

I am not sure of next steps. I knew that no led tv would be perfect (clouding and banding exist and i am ok with those), but black levels and 3d are just not up to par for a 8k tv.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
What your seeing with black levels is like what I've read about any edge lit ips panel. They just do not look great in the dark(if your used to plasma black levels). I've read another user review that said the 3d had bad ghosting and you could see the lines on the screen. That's disappointing because the passive 3d on the x900a was great but maybe that was because it was only a 65 inch screen. Even the x900a had some crosstalk though but it was minimal.
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Link? Who or what is "Wie"?
Sorry, **** iPad, I mean we........thats me and a friend. The friend was so shocked about the black Level that he canceled his order.

The movie bars are grey instead of black.

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Wow, that's really unfortunate. I wonder if our other 79" owners can comment on this to see if this is inherent in all the 79" 900Bs. At least then you'd know if there's something not quite right with your sample.

Thus far your report is the most pessimistic of the few we've had.
What content do you watch that is conducive to burn in?
Also, do you or have you owned a plasma?
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As noted in earlier posts, the Sony XBR65X900B is on sale now at BestBuy, Amazon and the Sony Store for $700 off MSRP. Amazon additionally offers 2% back in rewards.
The sale is from July 20-26, 2014. Sorry for people looking for the 79" version, which is not on sale.
I might have to enter the Panel Lottery (PL) today...

Can anyone who has this TV comment on the quality when watching 3d Blu-ray movies which I am interested in using this TV for? I've heard that it is not that good....
Also, what would be a good panel mount which would compensate for the wedge shape and mount the screen parallel to the wall surface or even tilt slightly downward.

BestBuy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65-class-64-1-2-diag--led-4k-ultra-hd-tv-2160p-120hz-smart-3d-hdtv/5007004.p?id=1219106282064&skuId=5007004
Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Sony Store:
http://store.sony.com/64.5-diag-x900...GseH_4-EqesoKR

If your looking at the 900b, I have the 950b and the 3d is really good. It's not as good as the passive 3d on the x900a but it's still the 2nd best 3d tv I've seen and I've owned like 7 3dtv over the years and tried lots in stores.
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Wow, that's really unfortunate. I wonder if our other 79" owners can comment on this to see if this is inherent in all the 79" 900Bs. At least then you'd know if there's something not quite right with your sample.

Thus far your report is the most pessimistic of the few we've had.
User VGI returned his 79 " 900B after 1 day. He never said why and has disappeared since.

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Wow, that's really unfortunate. I wonder if our other 79" owners can comment on this to see if this is inherent in all the 79" 900Bs. At least then you'd know if there's something not quite right with your sample.

Thus far your report is the most pessimistic of the few we've had.
Please see sample pics. (most don't show what I was seeing due the camera exposing to the bright/focus area)
The Vancouver park looks Ok on the pic (backlight to min) but showed light areas all around, specially on the top.
The singer has led to low, backlight 2 and the other led standard.
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What content do you watch that is conducive to burn in?
Also, do you or have you owned a plasma?
Sports, such as baseball, where the score can be plastered on the corner throughout the game. Any channel with a scrolling info banner or channel logo. Amazingly, many channels still insist on those insanely bright logos. Unfortunately my wife will watch some of these.

Yes, I have the F8500 plasma and I have had IR. Fortunately the Samsung is not a display where IR is a major problem like some of the Panasonics, but I certainly am still somewhat cautious.
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User VGI returned his 79 " 900B after 1 day. He never said why and has disappeared since.

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As I recall the major issue was size and the cabinet it was going in. To be honest, I didn't take some of his posts too seriously since he originally made some comments that he did a 180 on after a few of us questioned him on them.
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Please see sample pics. (most don't show what I was seeing due the camera exposing to the bright/focus area)
The Vancouver park looks Ok on the pic (backlight to min) but showed light areas all around, specially on the top.
The singer has led to low, backlight 2 and the other led standard.
I just can't emphasize this enough. So many people, in so many threads, for so many different displays, will say "WOW, look at those blacks". They just don't understand how blacks for ANY display can look superb in a picture for the reason you stated. The camera exposes for the brighter areas, leaving the other darker areas, underexposed, with the appearance of an almost true black. To the viewer, they usually don't look that good.

Pictures are fun, we all enjoy them, but to use them to assess black levels is really dangerous and misleading. It would be more accurate to have someone verbally comment on them that has had experience with other displays that are known for good black levels.
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Please see sample pics. (most don't show what I was seeing due the camera exposing to the bright/focus area)
The Vancouver park looks Ok on the pic (backlight to min) but showed light areas all around, specially on the top.
The singer has led to low, backlight 2 and the other led standard.
I'd like to see those clips on my 950. How did you get them?
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I'd like to see those clips on my 950. How did you get them?
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I spent some time with a 950B this evening and while it is the best LED I have ever watched I decided the additional money I would need to spend would not be in my budget. I have decided to stay with OLED as for now it offers the best picture available.

I look forward to the 4K 77" OLED being available on a working stiffs budget. The 65900B is a great set, I just want my jump in technology to be to OLED instead of 4K until I can afford both. My original goal was OLED and I was side stepped my the fact 4K really is incredible.

I recommend anyone on the fence on the 950B wait until the 65 OLED 4K comes out, it should be around $9,000 and already shows up on Fry's internal system, it should be available in 90 days or less.

I hope some of my experimenting helped some members on the 900 forum, what I liked most about owning a 900B is sharing on this forum with such loyal Sony owners. I am looking forward to seeing what Ken finally ends up with, he is a true asset to this forum and all of the others he contributes too. Yes Carlos, I made this decision one step faster so I didn't have to hear it. I thought about what your prediction was and decided not to go through the motions of the 950B and still ending at OLED.

4K is awesome it is the future and I cannot wait until it is displayed on a 4K OLED panel.
Words cannot express... you are seriously the most hilarious individual on these forums Vegas... you are a TV manufactures worst nightmare.

Good luck with 4k OLED... ha
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What your seeing with black levels is like what I've read about any edge lit ips panel. They just do not look great in the dark(if your used to plasma black levels). I've read another user review that said the 3d had bad ghosting and you could see the lines on the screen. That's disappointing because the passive 3d on the x900a was great but maybe that was because it was only a 65 inch screen. Even the x900a had some crosstalk though but it was minimal.
Last year's LG 4K 84" was an IPS panel and got rave reviews for it's passive 3D. It got great picture reviews too though some users complained of banding and lip sync issues. None complained about black levels or overall PQ.
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I'm looking for that singer video. I tried searching some different this on YouTube but I was unable to find it.
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Last year's LG 4K 84" was an IPS panel and got rave reviews for it's passive 3D. It got great picture reviews too though some users complained of banding and lip sync issues. None complained about black levels or overall PQ.
I've never seen the the 3d on the 84 inch lg but I saw the black levels. They were not terrible but not in the same league as a plasma if FALD set.
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I'm looking for that singer video. I tried searching some different this on YouTube but I was unable to find it.
2014 bravia promo

That video has a singer in a red dress in the dark.
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That video has a singer in a red dress in the dark.
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