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I lost interest in the Toshiba given that the N.A. models will not be 3D enabled. Looks like my focus is back on the AX900.
I threw in the towel and bought a Samsung PN64F8500 a few weeks back. As someone who previously biased against plasma TVs and never owned one before, I have to say it's quite fantastic.
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Well, I'm sure you had your reasons but for me, there's no turning back to a 1080p model. I realize that there's scant 4K source material at the moment, but I really want full HD 3D on, preferably, a 10-bit FALD panel.

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Well, I'm sure you had your reasons but for me, there's no turning back to a 1080p model. I realize that there's scant 4K source material at the moment, but I really want full HD 3D on, preferably, a 10-bit FALD panel.
is ax900 going to be 10-bit?
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Sorry for my somewhat confusing post. I do not know whether the AX900 will be 10-bit.

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Hey guys

So after a few days delayed delivery of my 65" AX800 I finally got it yesterday afternoon, and after initial impressions I'm afraid I have more bad news than good to report. 

Took me a long time to set up, as the pedestal mounting method is very delicate and clumsy in my opinion.

First I tried the Moshi MiniDP to HDMI 4K adapter that came with it, and, unsurprisingly, it only supports 4K @ 24Hz, nothing more. Just another Apple rip-off. So forget about 4K gaming on a non-Panasonic TV.

After a quick picture calibration, I watched a blu-ray episode of How I Met Your Mother, and was thoroughly impressed with the overall picture quality, the upscale to 4K looks incomparably better than any 1080p screen I've seen before - at this point I was getting really excited until I put an Indycar race on - now with camera in high motion with frequent panning left and right a couple of purple-ish vertical bands in the right-middle part of the screen became very apparent - so much in fact, that I couldn't stop seeing them after that. This ruined it for me and my heart sank. Both bands are on the right side, one about 2 inches wide, and the second one about 5 inches wide. I tried every possible picture setting after that, but it was clearly visible on all of them in any camera panning motion.

I don't know if this is something that will plague all of the models, or if it's just mine. But the vertical banding is so bad in my one, that I will be requesting a replacement unit tomorrow after I've given it another try.

But I'm afraid it's back to square one for me...


Thanks for the initial report. Did you notice any bad clouding to go with that banding issue?

Your issue sounds like a defect given the width of the bands.
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Thanks for the initial report. Did you notice any bad clouding to go with that banding issue?

Your issue sounds like a defect given the width of the bands.

 
Very little clouding in upper right corner - not at all noticeable.
 
Apart from the vertical banding issues Panasonic have done a great job.

Real sucky Panasonic hasn't eliminated banding/DSE from the 2014 line up....Its such a pain in the a$$
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Spanish review of AX800
Can anyone translate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC9Jfx-C1pA
If you enable close captioning on the youtube video, you then can chose a multiple of languages to translate the captions to, including English. It is not a great translation but you can get the gist of most of what he is saying.
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I'm quite excited about the forthcoming ax900. I would like to update my 2007 era 50" Pioneer plasma, especially as the 65" ax800 uses considerably less power than my 450w Pioneer. Things like this are of bigger concern to me now then they were when I bought the Pioneer.

It would be much easier to get really excited if there was actually something concrete on a new 4K format, on disc or otherwise.

I've seen the ax800 and thought it looked really good. Hopefully won't be too long before more info appears about what exactly makes the ax900 superior to the current offering.
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I'm quite excited about the forthcoming ax900. I would like to update my 2007 era 50" Pioneer plasma, especially as the 65" ax800 uses considerably less power than my 450w Pioneer. Things like this are of bigger concern to me now then they were when I bought the Pioneer.

It would be much easier to get really excited if there was actually something concrete on a new 4K format, on disc or otherwise.

I've seen the ax800 and thought it looked really good. Hopefully won't be too long before more info appears about what exactly makes the ax900 superior to the current offering.

I'm also greatly anticipating the AX900. Come on already Panasonic! Quite frankly, barring a poor early review or an overly exorbitant street price tag, I plan to buy one soon after it becomes available. Of course, I'll also reconsider should it make the Value Electronics shootout and perform poorly.

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I'm also greatly anticipating the AX900. Come on already Panasonic! Quite frankly, barring a poor early review or an overly exorbitant street price tag, I plan to buy one soon after it becomes available. Of course, I'll also reconsider should it make the Value Electronics shootout and perform poorly.
I've been waiting a while to replace my Pioneer and I like the idea of moving up to a 65". I hope the ax900 approaches the hyped level Panasonic are laying on it.

Come on is right

Maybe my perspective is out of sync with most here, especially since I tend to keep things a long time, but does it worry anyone that we're potentially buying a panel now that may be incompatible with whatever the 4K delivery standard ends up being? I know it's par for the course in this hobby
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I've been waiting a while to replace my Pioneer and I like the idea of moving up to a 65". I hope the ax900 approaches the hyped level Panasonic are laying on it.

Come on is right

Maybe my perspective is out of sync with most here, especially since I tend to keep things a long time, but does it worry anyone that we're potentially buying a panel now that may be incompatible with whatever the 4K delivery standard ends up being? I know it's par for the course in this hobby
i guess no one has seen this i don't know if this is concrete but it would seem to be so. most of the current sets have all the features listed here that i know of that are called ultra hd.

http://www.ce.org/News/News-Releases...h-Definit.aspx
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I'm also greatly anticipating the AX900. Come on already Panasonic! Quite frankly, barring a poor early review or an overly exorbitant street price tag, I plan to buy one soon after it becomes available. Of course, I'll also reconsider should it make the Value Electronics shootout and perform poorly.
It won't unfortunately, as Panasonic has declined to participate. Also, it seems Best Buy some has exclusive access to the AX800 at the moment. Not sure that bodes well for the future of their TV division (since it's very similar to the agreement with Best Buy last year to exclusively carry the ZT60 for the first several months).
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i guess no one has seen this i don't know if this is concrete but it would seem to be so. most of the current sets have all the features listed here that i know of that are called ultra hd.

http://www.ce.org/News/News-Releases...h-Definit.aspx
Thanks for the link. It's encouraging.

From the article: Because one of the first ways consumers will have access to native 4K content is via Internet streaming on “connected” Ultra HDTVs

I hope that we soon get another way to access the native content other than streaming. The announcement of a disc based format would be just fine with me.
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So after a few days delayed delivery of my 65" AX800 I finally got it yesterday afternoon, and after initial impressions I'm afraid I have more bad news than good to report. 
 
Took me a long time to set up, as the pedestal mounting method is very delicate and clumsy in my opinion.
 
First I tried the Moshi MiniDP to HDMI 4K adapter that came with it, and, unsurprisingly, it only supports 4K @ 24Hz, nothing more. Just another Apple rip-off. So forget about 4K gaming on a non-Panasonic TV.
 
After a quick picture calibration, I watched a blu-ray episode of How I Met Your Mother, and was thoroughly impressed with the overall picture quality, the upscale to 4K looks incomparably better than any 1080p screen I've seen before - at this point I was getting really excited until I put an Indycar race on - now with camera in high motion with frequent panning left and right a couple of purple-ish vertical bands in the right-middle part of the screen became very apparent - so much in fact, that I couldn't stop seeing them after that. This ruined it for me and my heart sank. Both bands are on the right side, one about 2 inches wide, and the second one about 5 inches wide. I tried every possible picture setting after that, but it was clearly visible on all of them in any camera panning motion.
 
I don't know if this is something that will plague all of the models, or if it's just mine. But the vertical banding is so bad in my one, that I will be requesting a replacement unit tomorrow after I've given it another try.
 
But I'm afraid it's back to square one for me...
why did you try using a mini display adapter? Cant you just connect your computer to the ax800s displayport directly?

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why did you try using a mini display adapter? Cant you just connect your computer to the ax800s displayport directly?
You should read the entire thread.

Testing the "4K" Apple HDMI adapter was for the benefit of 4K televisions that don't have displayport connectivity - like the Samsung HU9000 which I now own after the multiple disappointments of Panasonic and Sony.

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You should read the entire thread.

Testing the "4K" Apple HDMI adapter was for the benefit of 4K televisions that don't have displayport connectivity - like the Samsung HU9000 which I now own after the multiple disappointments of Panasonic and Sony.
Ok. Did you get a chance to test it as a desktop monitor using displayport at 3840x2160 4:4:4? How was it as a desktop monitor?

I saw that you had to much banding...

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Ok. Did you get a chance to test it as a desktop monitor using displayport at 3840x2160 4:4:4? How was it as a desktop monitor?
I saw that you had to much banding...
Too much banding, vertical line in the middle of the screen, and dead pixels on all 3 "brand new" AX800s I tried. Awful.
Don't remember a specific 4:4:4 setting on that TV. I just hooked it up and it worked fine with the latest Radeon GPU drivers, recognizing it as Infinity setup - 2 screens in MST at 1920x1080. It looked lovely in terms of resolution, but of course terrible in terms of picture quality mentioned above, color was washing out quickly at angles, and they all had very bad clouding as well. Also in comparison to Samsung HU9000, the upconversion from 1080p to 4K was underwhelming on Panny.

Sorry to spoil this for you, but AX800 really is a terrible TV, seems Panasonic has no clue as how to make a good LED TV, kind of like Sony lately, whatever happened to "good quality" Japanese manufacturers last few years?

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Sorry to spoil this for you, but AX800 really is a terrible TV, seems Panasonic has no clue as how to make a good LED TV, kind of like Sony lately, whatever happened to "good quality" Japanese manufacturers last few years?
it would be hard to have the expectation of a world class display from a couple of companies that have losing money on their TV businesses for several years now

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Panasonic did it in 2013, though I realize that was mostly a sunk cost culminating from multiyear development. I'll believe the AX900 gets released when I see it.
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Hello guys. I'm reading about all this vertical lines in this 4K TV, but anyone has a test or a picture of this issue?
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I think someone posted a video where vertical lines we're apparent either in this thread or the other one where this tv is discussed
Official Panasonic TC-58AX800U & TC-65AX800U 4k Owners Thread

You just have to find that post.

Also are you contemplating of getting a 58" version or the bigger one? 58 doesn't seem to have these issues.
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I'm waiting for the AX900 65". Hope that issue will be solved in AX900 series
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I posted more details in another thread but my 58" which I got in June had NO issues like others have mentioned, no banding, no dead pixels etc. it just works, and works well. Some mention the worry about these and other 4k TV's not being compatible in the future, but if you are using this as a monitor from a computer I doubt it will be a problem you can always put a player in your computer or otherwise feed your TV signal into the computer and than out to the TV in a worst case situation. Also these TV's take HDMI 2.0 which is a published standard and I'm really not sure why it wouldn't stand as the base standard for future equipment, sure like all things there will be enhancements, no doubt, but the base standard will probably work for many years to come just IMHO based on 36 years working with computers.

No if I hadn't needed a new TV and had to buy in June I might well have waited a bit, but my old TV cfl was probably near the end of it's life so why not get the latest and best (within budget)? Sure there are some minor things dealing with 4k like desktop icons that move around of their own accord and windows resizing themselves and having to mod games a bit to make the text readable, but as 4k catches on these problems will work out. I've got a new DP cable on the way I'm going to cut the wire to pin 19 in the hopes some of these minor issues will go away now rather than having to wait for driver updates etc. but hey as new technologies go this has all been a lot easier than some I've jumped on and not a dead end like say my old Amiga was.
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I posted more details in another thread but my 58" which I got in June had NO issues like others have mentioned, no banding, no dead pixels etc. it just works, and works well. Some mention the worry about these and other 4k TV's not being compatible in the future, but if you are using this as a monitor from a computer I doubt it will be a problem you can always put a player in your computer or otherwise feed your TV signal into the computer and than out to the TV in a worst case situation. Also these TV's take HDMI 2.0 which is a published standard and I'm really not sure why it wouldn't stand as the base standard for future equipment, sure like all things there will be enhancements, no doubt, but the base standard will probably work for many years to come just IMHO based on 36 years working with computers.

No if I hadn't needed a new TV and had to buy in June I might well have waited a bit, but my old TV cfl was probably near the end of it's life so why not get the latest and best (within budget)? Sure there are some minor things dealing with 4k like desktop icons that move around of their own accord and windows resizing themselves and having to mod games a bit to make the text readable, but as 4k catches on these problems will work out. I've got a new DP cable on the way I'm going to cut the wire to pin 19 in the hopes some of these minor issues will go away now rather than having to wait for driver updates etc. but hey as new technologies go this has all been a lot easier than some I've jumped on and not a dead end like say my old Amiga was.
I'm totally with ya obout future compatibility not likely to be a problem when using the tv as a monitor. Undoubtedly there will be software based workarounds for any incompatibility issues.

Let us know how it goes with your do cable!
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Waiting for that one myself or maybe one size smaller. Lot more to wait though.
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