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My son plays with a PS3 and a PS4; he says that there is a noticeable difference when using game mode. Maybe as much as a 1/2 second difference. Just his thoughts, not measured at all.
The PS4 must be turned on to be recognized before game mode can be selected. The PS4 is in HDMI 2.

We received the 48 inch version of the TV yesterday. So too early for a considered evaluation.

But, initial thoughts are very positive. I have scoured this forum for a couple of weeks. I had never heard of all the things that can go wrong with an LED screen. Clouding, flashlighting, light bleed, banding, oh my!!!! From what I have seen so far and after looking for it with a black screen at night and dark scenes at night, I have panel TS01 and I have not seen any such issues yet.

I went from my CRT Sony Trinitron Wega 1080i 36 inch. I loved that tv. But, after 8 years it died. I planned to get a Sony as I have only had a Sony for over thirty years. My husband is still watching and enjoying a 2003 Sony XBR LCD! But, after much research reading reviews and this forum, I decided on this Samsung H8000. It made the list of 10 best televisions in the world as did a couple of Sony televisions.

Right out of the box, the picture is crisp, no motion issues, colors are great, skin tones look natural, and the black levels are very dark with no light bleed at all. Right out of the box in standard picture mode, it is almost perfect for me. We tweaked the settings very slightly in standard mode. I put sound on clear voice mode.

The only trouble I am having at all is voice recognition when trying to use voice interaction.

I was actually sad to not get a Sony, seriously almost 1/2 my life with a Sony tv!!! But, this tv is amazing to me and is far superior in picture quality to my 2006 CRT. And, to the 2003 Sony XBR, granted that Sony is an older tv.
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Good day everyone,

I purchased the 65H8000 this past weekend mainly for games. I was worried about the input lag. I happen to also own the LEO BODNAR input lag tester. With the Firmware 1120 ( which is what the tv was at when I got it) the Game mode was getting 48ms, which is beyond the threshold that I can feel. I personally start to feel input lag with tv/monitors over 40ms. IN PC mode the tv was getting very eradic numbers, but they were from 48-68ms which is way too high for me.

So I had read reviews of the 55 inch version getting 35ms. I figured because this tv is the 65 inch larger version that is why the lag was higher. I updated the firmware last nite to 1130. Then retried with the Leo Bodnar device. Game mode was now getting 38 ms and this was with Smart LED on low, not bad!

Then I tried PC mode because you get 4:4:4 chroma and I prefer that for games. It is now getting 35.4ms!!!

So those thinking on getting the 55 because it has less lag, now you don't have to worry about getting the larger 65 as it has the same input lag numbers. Very happy with this!

Also, for reference I also have the Samsung 55F7100 that D-Nice ISF calibrated, this tv has 40MS of input lag in Game or PC mode. I would without a doubt say the H8000 is a much better panel then the F7100 in all respects. The H8000's must have a totally new panel, because even at 6 backlight, its way brighter then the F7100 at 6 backlight.

Any questions please ask!
Just the post I was looking for. I'm looking to upgrade from my LN52A860 (the set that made me fall in love with Samsungs) but I've been torn after looking at articles on the top gaming TVs. I really don't want to go back to a Sony. I have no idea what the input lag is on my LN52A860 but I was hoping to improve on it. There is no game mode on the LN52A860 (that I know of). It looks like the only real option from 2014 Samsung models is the H800s. I'm torn between the 55" or 65" but my main concern is if the 34-37ms lag is still going to be noticeable. I couldn't find any info on how the LN52A860 rated with input lag so I don't really have any comparison. My other question is how does turning on game mode effect the picture quality?

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Can someone give me the height of the 65" version from the bottom of the viewable screen to the bottom of the stand and from the center of the screen to the bottom of the stand?

Thinking of going to the 65" version from my current 52" but am worried it might be too much. Does the curve make it seem a bit smaller?
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could you upload a pic of the clouding ? Also what is your panel version? I have a 65in h8000 and my panel version is td02. The picture is beautiful compared to the f8000 I had, but the f8000 had better blacks and backlight uniformity. I have two rather medium size circles of what looks like clouding or flashlighting. I see it on some scenes.

Sorry for the delay in response. My panel number is TSO1. Has your clouding gotten worse? I get my new panel on Friday. I'll report back.
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Warning!!!!!!

I updated firmware from 1131 to 1141 and input lag in pc mode went from 35.6 to 47!!! Game mode went up the same too!! I have the leo bodnar input lag tester and double checked before and after update.

I am soo bummed about this why Samsung do you do this!
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Warning!!!!!!

I updated firmware from 1131 to 1141 and input lag in pc mode went from 35.6 to 47!!! Game mode went up the same too!! I have the leo bodnar input lag tester and double checked before and after update.

I am soo bummed about this why Samsung do you do this!
Ugh...I was about to buy this set tomorrow having finally decided but 47 is a no-go for me. Any chance you've put in a support ticket with Samsung or can revert back? Were there any release notes for for the update?
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Ugh...I was about to buy this set tomorrow having finally decided but 47 is a no-go for me. Any chance you've put in a support ticket with Samsung or can revert back? Were there any release notes for for the update?

I have been trying to figure out how to go back to 1131... So far I cant figure out how to revert back... So bummed , was awsome for games! 35 ms is totally livable for games, but not 47...
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Hey, I have a question for those who have the 65" (and 55") version. How wide is the actual base? I am really digging this set and need to see if I it will fit on my current stand or if I am going to have to wall mount it.

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Hey, I have a question for those who have the 65" (and 55") version. How wide is the actual base? I am really digging this set and need to see if I it will fit on my current stand or if I am going to have to wall mount it.

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Width of the base on the 65" is 39 inches. Depth is about 13".
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Width of the base on the 65" is 39 inches. Depth is about 13".
Thank you!!! I was at Pauls TV yesterday and asked them, he just though out the number 55", which seemed massive. This makes me so happy! Now I need to decide if its worth the $500 or so more then the H7150... Oh Decisions.
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Are you able to adjust any PQ settings in Game mode? I know my current Samsung has everything greyed out, even color calibration.

Any luck on reverting back to the previous firmware update? Was it an automatic update if the TV is hooked up to the net or did you have to force the update?
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Are you able to adjust any PQ settings in Game mode? I know my current Samsung has everything greyed out, even color calibration.

Any luck on reverting back to the previous firmware update? Was it an automatic update if the TV is hooked up to the net or did you have to force the update?
what's wrong with the new update? Is the td01/02 panel the one causing clouding or does ts01 exhibit the same?
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Thank you!!! I was at Pauls TV yesterday and asked them, he just though out the number 55", which seemed massive. This makes me so happy! Now I need to decide if its worth the $500 or so more then the H7150... Oh Decisions.

The width of the base is what helped make my decision. The 7150 base would have been too wide for my stand which would have required the purchase of a new stand. The 8000 fit on the one I already had which allowed me to put that money into the TV instead of having to buy a new stand or pay to have it mounted (That's the way I rationalized it out anyway).
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what's wrong with the new update? Is the td01/02 panel the one causing clouding or does ts01 exhibit the same?
BlackVette reported that after updating his input lag increased from 36ms to 47ms. Not a big deal unless you're into gaming.
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Price seems pretty high for non 4k. Why spend this much for 1080 what am I missing?
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Anyone knows or can share a good setting for the tv? ( calibration for UN65H8000)
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Price seems pretty high for non 4k. Why spend this much for 1080 what am I missing?
4K is not that great. At least right now. The motion resolution isn't that great, up scaling isn't where it should be, there's very little 4K content, and unless you sit REALLY close or buy big there's not much difference between 1080p and 4k. It's a waste of $$$, right now.
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is this tv worth it right now at $2700
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is this tv worth it right now at $2700
it certainly appears to be. At 65" what other TV comes close in terms of price and tech, 4K not included?
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it certainly appears to be. At 65" what other TV comes close in terms of price and tech, 4K not included?

2014 Vizio M Series (FALD) almost certainly outperforms the H8000 (edge-lit) and the 65" can be had for $1500.
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2014 Vizio M Series (FALD) almost certainly outperforms the H8000 (edge-lit) and the 65" can be had for $1500.

The only reason vizio gets good reviews is always because of its price.
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2014 Vizio M Series (FALD) almost certainly outperforms the H8000 (edge-lit) and the 65" can be had for $1500.
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The only reason vizio gets good reviews is always because of its price.
It's VIZIO. Just because a tv is full-array doesn't mean anything. Vizio's are cheap and just like dreadnok89 said, they get good reviews because of that. I doubt the black levels on the Vizio, even if it is full array, come close to the h8000.
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It's VIZIO. Just because a tv is full-array doesn't mean anything. Vizio's are cheap and just like dreadnok89 said, they get good reviews because of that. I doubt the black levels on the Vizio, even if it is full array, come close to the h8000.
I been pouring thru reviews and alot are malfunctions which is normal, then always hear great icture for the price. That means nothing. I just got a sony 65w850a, im amazed by it. But too big for my room. Looking at this samsung right now
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Vizo M-Series review from CNET

'The Good: The Vizio M-Series M1d-A2R is an excellent value with great design and a snappy picture; it has excellent shadow detail, FAIRLY deep black levels, and excellent processing; and its Smart TV access has been improved.
The Bad: It doesn't have as deep a black level as a plasma; it suffers from a slight red push; it has a reflective screen; Yahoo apps aren't very slick; and the remote sensor isn't very responsive.
The Bottom Line: The Vizio M-Series offers a potent combination of excellent design, decent picture quality, and a pocket-friendly price.'

You get what you pay for. If your satisfied with a little less picture quality and apps, a little lower quality of the passive 3D image, a picture that doesn't pop like it's cheaper E-Series TV, then you are welcome to buy a lower quality set. Good picture, but not better than a Samsung.
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2014 Vizio M Series (FALD) almost certainly outperforms the H8000 (edge-lit) and the 65" can be had for $1500.
I had the 2013 Vizio M and the 2013 Sasmsung 7100.. the Vizio M as $700 cheaper and it was apparent in the picture quality... doesn't matter if Vizio puts FALD, FALD may increase contrast but image quality, panel quality, and colors will be better on the Samsung - just like they've been since Vizio's debut.

I actually thought the M was awesome other than some uniformity issues I had, but there was no question that the Samsung had better color and for the $ id go with the set that produces overall better picture. If for 2014 it actually is Vizio, good for them but i haven't seen anything from Vizio that competes with Sony or Samsung's mid to high end TVs yet.

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I had the 2013 Vizio M and the 2013 Sasmsung 7100.. the Vizio M as $700 cheaper and it was apparent in the picture quality... doesn't matter if Vizio puts FALD, FALD may increase contrast but image quality, panel quality, and colors will be better on the Samsung - just like they've been since Vizio's debut.

I actually thought the M was awesome other than some uniformity issues I had, but there was no question that the Samsung had better color and for the $ id go with the set that produces overall better picture. If for 2014 it actually is Vizio, good for them but i haven't seen anything from Vizio that competes with Sony or Samsung's mid to high end TVs yet.
I am amped for the P-series Vizio right now, but share the same concerns with Vizio use of the term full array. I have owned the HX929 from Sony and that was a hell of a set.
While H8000 is an edge based dimmer, samsung has a rather impressive implementation.
I am optimistic for the P-series, but will likely end up with the H8000 @ 1080p or the HU7250 (curved) or HU8550 (flat)@ 4k.
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Hi all form Italy,
i have got a UE48H800SZ tv set and i discovered an issue using component and audio input.
I tried several devices and cables, but the problem still remain.
If i connect a devices like bd / ps3 / setup box tv/ and play this, i have for about a second, an audio drop out
(the picture instead is perfect), about 7 minutes from the time to tv is switched on and then, the same thing for every 3 minutes and 30-35 seconds.
This issue is very regular, so i suspect a firmware bug (the last 1141 is already instelled), but i'm not very sure and could be my tv set defective also.
I already done a tv reset
Someone found the same problem? Or someone can try to use component input?

Thanks a lot

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Anyone know if the 65" comes with the TS01 Panel or exclusively TD01? Browsing through this thread it seems most of the uniformity issues were with the TD01 Panel.
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My TS01 Has brutal clouding issues.
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My TS01 Has brutal clouding issues.
Just to be clear, you do have local dimming activated on it's highest setting? My Sony HX950 has some clouding and uniformity issues but when I turn dimming on it's gone. Also, the European Models don't have local dimming but do the Canadian Models? The US Version should have a HIGH setting and a LOW setting for dimming.
Sorry if I'm coming off rude but I'm planning on getting this set or the OLED from LG. I really don't want to drop $4k on a 55".
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