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I can't wait for this TV to come out.
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I notice that the Smart Hub is very similar to the 2013 but with a few minor changes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjhhZGuBQtQ

Gone is the social hub - now a games panel.

I dunno about the air type remote.
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Was hoping to snag an F8000 but might wait for reviews to come in on the H8000. Aside from the obvious curve, what are the differences between the F and H8000?
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Samsung 65F8000, 60D8000, 40HU6350, Panasonic 50E60 LCD's
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Is this the only thread for the H8000? figured there would be more chatter with the prices being available and shipping time estimated in days. Amazon also has a April 6 release date listed on its site.

On the fence on if I should get the F8000 or the H8000.. I like the super thin bezel on the F8000, but for $200 (currently) the new generation could be purchased with the curve and some I'm assuming updated hardware and software.

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Aside from the curve, the H8000 has a true 240hz panel. I don't think the F8000 does. I'm on the fence as well. Hopefully some reviews come out soon.
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I have the 55" F8000. Great TV. I'm wondering how the picture quality on the H8000 compares to the F8000. I also want some clarification on the true 240hz. Does this mean less pixel overdrive during motion? Or does this mean the TV can take in 240hz feeds on HDMI 2.0? I have a GTX 670 that is one generation old with HDMI 1.4 output. So I'd assume I'd have to upgrade to a new GPU with HDMI 2.0 in order to send out more than 60hz on HDMI?
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Aside from the curve, the H8000 has a true 240hz panel. I don't think the F8000 does. I'm on the fence as well. Hopefully some reviews come out soon.

The F8000 does have a true 240hz processor. Amazon can only advertise the true value in their title and it states 240hz for that TV. Seems like the only differences are a few little things like a new coating on the screen to improve contrast, a new software enhancement to improve depth of image, and a faster quad core processor for the smart TV system.

IF those new image hardware / software elements do actually result in a improved image I guess I would go for the H8000 over the F8000 unless they give some crazy discount on the F8000 (as of right now they are way too close in pricing).. Personally looking for a 65inch and now that 65in 4k from Samsung and Sony are retailing for $4000 (and that will likely drop in a few months) wondering if its worth waiting and purchasing a more future proof 4K tv...

I've been impressed with 4k content on larger screens, but seeing as how ill be sitting 10 ft away - wonder if ill note a difference. Big benefit I see is with 3D since it will be passive and 1080p to each eye (passive sets to my eyes are MUCH more comfortable for anything over 30 mins - I honestly don't think the active sets are good for vision, I'm in dental school not medical - but learned enough about eye anatomy to realize how eye strain can cause long term problems)..

So its a conundrum..

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Ahzari, where did you read about a new screen coating on the H8000? The F8000 has the same advertised "Ultra Clear Panel" coating as the H8000 or as far as I can tell. Where does it say the H8000's coating is newer and offers higher contrast than the F8000? Contrast ratios have stayed more or less the same the last few years on the high end Samsungs. But if there is some sort of substantial increase in contrast ratio with the H8000 it may a reason for me to upgrade from the F8000.
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Ultra Clear is what the H8000 has. The local dimming is supposed to be a little different as well, whatever that means.
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Ultra Clear is what the H8000 has. The local dimming is supposed to be a little different as well, whatever that means.

The F8000 has hardware based local dimming where it can dim or turn off the edge lit LEDs on the left and right sides of the picture. This is most useful for getting widescreen bars to appear a true shade of black while watching a movie. In dark scenes it does a good job giving a believable shade of black but it's no where near precise enough to compete with true full array back lighting.

The H8000 has the same local dimming scheme as the F8000 but more "zones" it can dim. This would mean that it's able to dim the widescreen bars more precisely than the F8000 and perhaps lend to slightly more accurate dimming on dark scenes but not really enough to make a substantial difference in contrast over the F8000. I'm just skeptical because practically all the picture quality features listed for the H8000 are the same as the F8000, even the clear motion rates are the same which in the past get better with each flagship.

I'm hoping the H8000 has practically the same picture quality as the F8000 except with a curve and newer Smart Hub. I never use the Smart Hub to begin with so getting the evolution kit for my F8000 is not something I'm interested in. So if those are the only major differences then I'll be even more happy that I got the F8000 instead of the H8000. The F8000 blows me away with it's picture quality still to this day after over 8 months of owning it, it would take a colossal leap in picture quality for me to want another LED before OLED is matured and affordable.
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The F8000 has hardware based local dimming where it can dim or turn off the edge lit LEDs on the left and right sides of the picture. This is most useful for getting widescreen bars to appear a true shade of black while watching a movie. In dark scenes it does a good job giving a believable shade of black but it's no where near precise enough to compete with true full array back lighting.

The H8000 has the same local dimming scheme as the F8000 but more "zones" it can dim. This would mean that it's able to dim the widescreen bars more precisely than the F8000 and perhaps lend to slightly more accurate dimming on dark scenes but not really enough to make a substantial difference in contrast over the F8000. I'm just skeptical because practically all the picture quality features listed for the H8000 are the same as the F8000, even the clear motion rates are the same which in the past get better with each flagship.

I'm hoping the H8000 has practically the same picture quality as the F8000 except with a curve and newer Smart Hub. I never use the Smart Hub to begin with so getting the evolution kit for my F8000 is not something I'm interested in. So if those are the only major differences then I'll be even more happy that I got the F8000 instead of the H8000. The F8000 blows me away with it's picture quality still to this day after over 8 months of owning it, it would take a colossal leap in picture quality for me to want another LED before OLED is matured and affordable.

I think the processor for Smart Hub is faster on H8000. Don't know for certain but I think it's double than F8000. Do you think there will be the same Samsung made TS01 PANEL in the H8000 since it's curved?
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Ahzari, where did you read about a new screen coating on the H8000? The F8000 has the same advertised "Ultra Clear Panel" coating as the H8000 or as far as I can tell. Where does it say the H8000's coating is newer and offers higher contrast than the F8000? Contrast ratios have stayed more or less the same the last few years on the high end Samsungs. But if there is some sort of substantial increase in contrast ratio with the H8000 it may a reason for me to upgrade from the F8000.

I didn't read that it was a newer version than the F8000.. I just figured they're trying to compete with Sonys Triluminous but if the F8000 had it I'm sure the H8000 is prob the same. I just think its a steep price for a 65in 1080p LCD in this day to be above the 3k price point (regardless of features).

Like DRN94 noted, if the picture quality isn't greatly changed, i could care less for the smart hub either since I use my Apple TV and Oppo for everything.. So its all about picture quality, if the F goes on a decent sale id consider. The 2013 F9000 4k is actually $3500 right now - but I read some not so great reviews that turned me off to considering it, maybe the 2014 4ks will be improved.

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Unless you buy large or sit really close, 1080p and 4k are pretty similar. Watching 1080p/i, 720p, etc isn't very good on 4k sets nor is motion resolution. Maybe in a few years it will be a viable option but right now it is not.
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Unless you buy large or sit really close, 1080p and 4k are pretty similar. Watching 1080p/i, 720p, etc isn't very good on 4k sets nor is motion resolution. Maybe in a few years it will be a viable option but right now it is not.

Yea so that was my concern - image quality (upscaling) since I have a decent blu-ray collection and motion handling.. Since it seems like 4k is going to be the new standard its just making me itch to get in on it, but you're right I think the current 4ks work at 30hz which causes a lot of motion blur, even at 60hz it won't look anything like the 240hz 1080p sets. It'll be a while before they fix that problem so I guess the most logical is F vs H8000 right now. Wait a few weeks to see how the H8000 reviews fare and how the F8000 prices change.

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The review says the H8000 has no local dimming (this is described in the specs for the TV on Samsungs consumer website "precision black local dimming").. I remember reading a previous review about the F8000 and its horrible uniformity, but that with the local dimming enabled the uniformity went to near perfect levels (close to the Sony W900). Did the reviewers miss something or is Samsung false advertising?

Without local dimming, I wouldn't get this set..

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I am shocked with the contrast ratio numbers on the H8000 in that review. The black level on the H8000 is almost twice that than on the F8000. Uniformity has also suffered, probably because of the difficulty of evenly distributing light across a curved screen. My F8000 has nearly perfect uniformity with no DSE whatsoever, the F8000 was praised for it's backlight uniformity. Now I'm even more glad I got the F8000.

This is rather bizzare. Sony's W950B 1080p flagship for 2014 was supremely disappointing compared to the previous W900A flagship. And now Samsung's 1080p flagship is rather disappointing as well but not nearly as much as the Sony.

Honestly, if you're into a 1080p set get the F8000. If you're interested in a 2014 set rather than the F8000, the flat 4K flagship may be the best option. That H8000 review also states that the 4K curved model has similar backlight uniformity issues. I foresaw these quality problems many many months ago as manufacturers were looking towards gimmicks to sell their TV's and not improve the picture quality. The W950B was a HUGE step backwards in terms of picture quality and the H8000 is a slight step backwards as well (lower contrast ratio, poor uniformity). Stay away from both of these TV's.
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Didn't the review state no local dimming? I'm sure it does have it so if they didn't engage it there will be uniformity issues. The same for F8000.
This is a review for the UE H8000 which is European not UN. I'm not sure but I think some reviewers turn extras off, (local dimming), when testing, hence the poorer uniformity. There was no mention of local dimming so I can only assume they didn't activate it. I'm sure the F8000 doesn't have great uniformity either with local dimming off.
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Didn't the review state no local dimming? I'm sure it does have it so if they didn't engage it there will be uniformity issues. The same for F8000.

Turning off my "Smart LED" feature does not introduce any clouding. I have the 55" which was the size most reviewers looked at and it appeared to have the best uniformity out of all the other sizes. I didn't read the whole review but I didn't see any mention of the dimming. They have the UK version which may not have the dimming perhaps. I know the Canadian F8000 does not have local dimming so it is a possibility its missing from the UK version of the H8000.
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I think the European models dont have the smart led settings, the same thing with the European f8000. All they had was three levels to set cinema black, while the US models had cinema black and smart led. The h8000 has the same features of the f8000 in the US market, but it also has auto depth enhancer to farther increase contrast. I'll wait for a review from the US version on this tv before I say the f8000 is better.
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weird they make the US and UK versions with different software based enhancements? But I am sure that the Samsung website said local dimming for the H8000 and the 4k model above it (just checked). As far as the F8000.. the reviews I read stated pretty significant uniformity issues without engaging the local dimming (but excellent uniformity after that was engaged). For those that had no issues even with it turned off I guess it may have been luck of the draw. I know I was pretty unlucky with my first 60in 7100 and 2 Sony 850As. But, my 55in 7100 currently looks awesome, prob put that in the bedroom and place whatever 65in I decide on in the living room.. if the H8000 in the US show similarly negative reviews id lean towards the F8000.

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I am thinking of buying one. It comes out tomorrow via amazon. I am also surprised that there is not more chatter about it.
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I think a lot people are afraid of the "curve" and have wrote it off.
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Could be... this is for a bedroom so....
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The curve doesn't bother me nor does it really immerse me in the tv. Basing my opinion on the LG 4K curved OLED I saw yesterday. Even watching from the sides it wasn't distracting. I guess if the TV was large enough it would feel more immersive.
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Does anybody have this tv yet? Im thinking about getting it. I would really love to hear some feedback from owners of the tv.
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I have seen it at Conns no different then the H8000 from last year but with a curve . The Sharp Q17U blow this TV to the floor. Sharp his a 1080p tv that plays 4k content and upscale 1080p content as well.
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I have seen it at Conns no different then the H8000 from last year but with a curve . The Sharp Q17U blow this TV to the floor. Sharp his a 1080p tv that plays 4k content and upscale 1080p content as well.

Haven't seen the H8000 yet but you're right about it being the F8000 with a curve. The "H" has more dimming zones and a better processor for smart hub. I did see the Sharp and it does look good but a lot of reviews from Amazon are so so. Mainly dead/stuck pixels. It is a Sharp Panel so I wouldn't be surprised to see purplish blacks, ghosting, and uniformity issues.
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I was afraid when I purchased it. This is the reason I didn't buy it online instead went to best buy. If I had any reason to return it back to best buy asap. I had know problems with this set.
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