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Yes they used the LB input lag tester and got 3.3ms at the top, 7.8ms in the middle, and 12.4ms at the bottom, which is the fastest tv yet. So fast in fact that it is faster than most monitors. Even if it did not have the best black levels, the fact that it us an IPS panel and has local dimming would make this tv a gamers dream. It should also be noted that they reviews the 42" model, so the larger models most likely have more zones.

Aside from superior viewing angles with an IPS panel, i've also heard that IPS produces less motion blur than VA.
I hope the black levels are deep, that don't have to be outstanding ZT60 deep, but good enough. I just don't want a shade of grey.
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Aside from superior viewing angles with an IPS panel, i've also heard that IPS produces less motion blur than VA.
I hope the black levels are deep, that don't have to be outstanding ZT60 deep, but good enough. I just don't want a shade of grey.

I just finished reading the entire review, and they rated it extremely high with excellent black levels and color, but it needs a decent calibration. So this could explain why Quern has been getting less than stellar results. Toshiba's image processing has always been top notch, but their TV's have also been known to be very inaccurate out of the box.
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I think I am going to keep it. I just wish I had more experience with LED sets to know if it is in line or better than similar sets. The current cost on Amazon seems pretty good for what it is supposed to be.

I also wonder how well it will do after a good professional calibration. I will have it done if I keep it.

This weekend I'm going to use my setup disc on Movie mode and see if I dial it in better. I just have this feeling that by "dialing" in the Auto mode the set was overcompensating for ambient room light. You can't turn the sensor off in Auto mode and when I did a reset the issues went away.

That's a good idea and I'd personally say to just ditch using autoview mode because I am pretty sure there is no way the stuff it is doing isn't jacking up the image. It's much better to do a simple set up on movie mode and then get the set fully calibrated down the line than use some funky auto mode that who knows what it is doing to the image. It's clearly doing too much for the worse based on your screenshots.

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I just finished reading the entire review, and they rated it extremely high with excellent black levels and color, but it needs a decent calibration. So this could explain why Quern has been getting less than stellar results. Toshiba's image processing has always been top notch, but their TV's have also been known to be very inaccurate out of the box.
Did they measure the black levels? "Excellent" is very subjective. wink.gif
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I just finished reading the entire review, and they rated it extremely high with excellent black levels and color, but it needs a decent calibration. So this could explain why Quern has been getting less than stellar results. Toshiba's image processing has always been top notch, but their TV's have also been known to be very inaccurate out of the box.

When you say calibration, do you mean via calman or going proffessional or just using the basic PQ controls to adjust to your liking. I doubt i'll go the calman or call up a calibrator route. :P
If 12ms holds true for the US model i'm SOLD. I wonder though, what exactly the L7400 disables in order to achieve 12ms....there's got to be a catch. I just want to order the bloody thing and get it over with.lol
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Aside from superior viewing angles with an IPS panel, i've also heard that IPS produces less motion blur than VA.
I hope the black levels are deep, that don't have to be outstanding ZT60 deep, but good enough. I just don't want a shade of grey.

If it has an S-IPS panel, prepared to be dissappointed with regards to deep black levels. Of course Local Dimming helps, but blooming is more evident on S-IPS as well because of it's relatively poor black levels.

Another plus for S-IPS is reduced SDE on larger panel sizes. As the VA subpixels darken down they produce black areas that exacerbate the SDE. Sharp somewhat mitigated that with their checkerboard style of darkening down the subpixels.

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Did they measure the black levels? "Excellent" is very subjective. wink.gif
Excellent usually doesn't mean grey.....at least.....i hope. tongue.gif
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Sadly, my ZT60's letterbox bars look absolutely gray (on the right content) next to the OLED. tongue.gif
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Excellent usually doesn't mean grey.....at least.....i hope. tongue.gif

Well even a good black level will technically just be a dark shade of grey but I get your point. wink.gif

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EDIT: Panels changed to subpixels

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When you say calibration, do you mean via calman or going proffessional or just using the basic PQ controls to adjust to your liking. I doubt i'll go the calman or call up a calibrator route. :P
If 12ms holds true for the US model i'm SOLD. I wonder though, what exactly the L7400 disables in order to achieve 12ms....there's got to be a catch. I just want to order the bloody thing and get it over with.lol
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I do not think much is disabled actually, including local dimming. The L7400U uses a dual core processor along side a single core processor, which each core splitting processing tasks. What is interesting though, is the model in that review is 3D, while the US version is not. Also, the version reviews has "Hollywood" picture modes, while the L7400U is much more basic. Why would Toshiba hold out on a 3d version in the US? Is it just a matter of firmware differences? We need a US version reviewed!
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BTW, did the review use the Leo B to get 12ms? I kind of skimmed through it all. :P
That's what it looks like.
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Sadly, my ZT60's letterbox bars look absolutely gray (on the right content) next to the OLED. tongue.gif

My 27" Sony wega KS100 CRT SDTV's black levels aren't black, they're a deep shade of grey, where as my S60's for the most part look black black and blend right into the bezel(for the most part), but it doesn't matter because my CRT tripples it's brightness, has whiter whites, actual 'pop' and No ABL bull sh**. People who swoon over having the best blacks sometimes overlook everything else which is just as important. I don't have to have amazing blacks, just deep inky blacks that get the job done. Even if they were in line with my CRT i'd be more than happy.
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They reviewed the uk/pl Model 55L7453 its the european version. It stands on the top of the site.

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When you say calibration, do you mean via calman or going proffessional or just using the basic PQ controls to adjust to your liking. I doubt i'll go the calman or call up a calibrator route. :P

It'd be a real calibration so via Calman or another calibration program.

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The only people more disappointed than 3D fans are Plasma fans these days.

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Another difference I have found. The one reviewd uses a quad core processor along side a duel core processor. This version seems to be the supercharged version of the US model. mad.gif
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It should also be noted that they reviews the 42" model, so the larger models most likely have more zones.
Uh.... Are you sure about that? The pictures clearly show a 55L7453D as the part number on the back of the set.
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Personally, I wish 3D would go away, for this reason and this reason only. It has negatively impacted Films, which abandon storytelling and plot and character development for gee whizzery.

I do lament Pioneer and Panasonic abandoning Plasma though. mad.gif

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Uh.... Are you sure about that? The pictures clearly show a 55L7453D as the part number on the back of the set.

In the pictures with the back panel off, it has the model of the panel which correlates to the 42" model, so I am not sure exactly what is going on there.
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Another difference I have found. The one reviewd uses a quad core processor along side a duel core processor. This version seems to be the supercharged version of the US model. mad.gif
Where are you coming up with this stuff? Where does it say that it has a quad + dual processor?
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Personally, I wish 3D would go away, for this reason and this reason only. It has negatively impacted Films, which abandon storytelling and plot and character development for gee whizzery.

I do lament Pioneer and Panasonic abandoning Plasma though. mad.gif

I'm all for 3D realistic depth perception(Perfect example is the nintendo 3DS) but when directors go the gimmicky route and try to make things constantly pop out at you or just build the film around the 3D itself in favor of actually storry telling, plot and substance it can often be annoying.
Apparently disney's Beauty and the beast in 3D is absolutely breath taking.
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In the pictures with the back panel off, it has the model of the panel which correlates to the 42" model, so I am not sure exactly what is going on there.
Yeah, I noticed that too after I was looking at the pictures closer.
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Personally, I wish 3D would go away, for this reason and this reason only. It has negatively impacted Films, which abandon storytelling and plot and character development for gee whizzery.

I do lament Pioneer and Panasonic abandoning Plasma though. mad.gif

I am a fan of 3D as it can add to the experience if done correctly where the goal is more depth in the screen rather than pop out of the screen effects.

I agree about Pioneer abandoning plasma. That was such a bummer and I'd be all over a 55-60" Kuro right now if I could. I have a 42" Kuro in one of my rooms and the picture quality is fantastic.
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Where are you coming up with this stuff? Where does it say that it has a quad + dual processor?
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Where are you coming up with this stuff? Where does it say that it has a quad + dual processor?
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It shows that both the L7 and L9 use the same CEVO engine, which entail local dimming (6 zones Z7, 48 zones L9), along with a dual core + quad core processor.

The L7 reviewed compared to the US L7 seem to be completely different tv's, with the euro model being much better. The US model does not mention using the CEVO engine.

US model: http://www.toshiba.com/us/tv/smarttv/55l7400u (here you can see the use of a dual core + single core processor)

Euro model: http://www.toshiba.co.uk/television/smart/l7/
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This slide says the L7 has 6 zones and the L9 has 48 zones. confused.gif
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This slide says the L7 has 6 zones and the L9 has 48 zones. confused.gif

Yes you can see that in my post above. They are most likely referring to the smallest size in each model series.
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I am a fan of 3D as it can add to the experience if done correctly where the goal is more depth in the screen rather than pop out of the screen effects.

I agree about Pioneer abandoning plasma. That was such a bummer and I'd be all over a 55-60" Kuro right now if I could. I have a 42" Kuro in one of my rooms and the picture quality is fantastic.

Whatever one may be able to do with 3D, the vast majority of the time what happens is that the film is dimished as the director and producer goes for gee whizzery, instead.

What may save 3D is it's possible use in drone-robotic remote control.

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This image here:

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It shows that both the L7 and L9 use the same CEVO engine, which entail local dimming (6 zones Z7, 48 zones L9), along with a dual core + quad core processor.
That has to be a mistake or a reference to only the L9. Even the Japanese Z8 doesn't have the dual + quad CEVO engine.
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US model: http://www.toshiba.com/us/tv/smarttv/55l7400u

Euro model: http://www.toshiba.co.uk/television/smart/l7/
Sure it does. CES press release & Canadian 55L7400UC brochure.
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That has to be a mistake or a reference to only the L9. Even the Japanese Z8 doesn't have the dual + quad CEVO engine.
Sure it does. CES press release & Canadian 55L7400UC brochure.

No where is CEVO mentioned there. The CQ engine is completely different than the CEVO engine.
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