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Yes you can see that in my post above. They are most likely referring to the smallest size in each model series.
48 zones isn't exactly the direct LED control the Japanese Z9X page seems to reference.
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My 27" Sony wega KS100 CRT SDTV's black levels aren't black, they're a deep shade of grey, where as my S60's for the most part look black black and blend right into the bezel(for the most part), but it doesn't matter because my CRT tripples it's brightness, has whiter whites, actual 'pop' and No ABL bull sh**. People who swoon over having the best blacks sometimes overlook everything else which is just as important. I don't have to have amazing blacks, just deep inky blacks that get the job done. Even if they were in line with my CRT i'd be more than happy.
ABL hasn't ever been a pet peeve of mine fortunately. As long as a set is not crushing blacks, I have found that everything else is secondary (within reason).
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That has to be a mistake or a reference to only the L9. Even the Japanese Z8 doesn't have the dual + quad CEVO engine.
Sure it does. CES press release & Canadian 55L7400UC brochure.

No where is CEVO mentioned there. The CQ engine is completely different than the CEVO engine.

It's a marketing term and they use different ones in different markets. The European literature never references "Radiance Full Array LED panel" or "SuperBright LEDs" or "Quantum Black Local Dimming". In the US press literature they're calling the processor "CQ Dual + Single Core Engine" and "CQ Quad + Dual Core Engine" in the L9400U series; I strongly doubt that they made two different chipset with the same number of cores. They only talk about CEVO Audio and CEVO Picture in the European and Japanese literature as well.

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ABL hasn't ever been a pet peeve of mine fortunately. As long as a set is not crushing blacks, I have found that everything else is secondary (within reason).

The thing is, plasma's for me just aren't bright enough to begin with, at least all of the entry 720p and 1080p models i've owned, and once ABL(depending on how aggressive it is)rears it's nasty head it just bums me out even more.
Plus, those dirty whites....tisk, tisk. I'd rather watch movies on my older LG LH30 LCD than my S60.....S60 may have much deeper blacks and slightly better motion, but the LCD does practically every thing else better.
White whites, cleaner crisper picture, no ABL, a super bright picture that even rivals my CRT, has good pop, far less glare, no dithering or nasty video noise. :P Still, i wouldn't let it in my living room for it's lack luster blacks, otherwise it's a great set!


Anyways, looks like i wont be able to get the L7400 until next month if things go to plan. :P
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No where is CEVO mentioned there. The CQ engine is completely different than the CEVO engine.
I'm pretty sure they're the same thing. For example, the features of the CQ engine on the L9400 are identical to the features listed for the CEVO engine. The L9400U has the 3rd gen CQ 4K engine. Last year the L9300U had the 2nd gen CEVO 4K engine.

From the Toshiba Press Releases:
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...and our third generation CQ 4K Engine...

CQ 4K Engine - Quad + Dual Core: The Toshiba CQ 4K Engine is third-generation 4K processing that utilizes a unique five-point image enhancement system that includes best-in-class resolution restoration, motion interpolation, dynamic detail enhancement, color restoration and dynamic noise reduction for pristine results.
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The Toshiba L9300U Series TVs are powered by Toshiba's proprietary second generation CEVO™ 4K Quad+Dual Core Engine. Sophisticated technology such as Resolution Restoration, Color Restoration and Surface Brilliance Enhancement create pristine, life-like images that are unlike what most people have seen before.
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I'm pretty sure they're the same thing. For example, the features of the CQ engine on the L9400 are identical to the features listed for the CEVO engine. The L9400U has the 3rd gen CQ 4K engine. Last year the L9300U had the 2nd gen CEVO 4K engine.

From the Toshiba Press Releases:

They used the CEVO branding on the US L9300U. I would like to think the CQ engine is the same as the CEVO engine, but I am not convinced it is. Why would Toshiba create a superior L7 for the Euro market and then dull it down for the US? It makes no sense but they did it.
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They used the CEVO branding on the US L9300U. I would like to think the CQ engine is the same as the CEVO engine, but I am not convinced it is. Why would Toshiba create a superior L7 for the Euro market and then dull it down for the US? It makes no sense but they did it.

Ive always wondered why Philips makes high end flat panels for the European market, but abandoned the US. shrugs

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They used the CEVO branding on the US L9300U. I would like to think the CQ engine is the same as the CEVO engine, but I am not convinced it is. Why would Toshiba create a superior L7 for the Euro market and then dull it down for the US? It makes no sense but they did it.

Other than not including passive 3D capability and the DVR function, things I have no interest in, I don't believe that they did "dull it down". I think that the processors are the same.

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Is this only available in one size?

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Why would Toshiba create a superior L7 for the Euro market and then dull it down for the US? It makes no sense but they did it.
Aside from removing 3D what exactly did they do to dull it down?
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I was thinking the same thing ^^^
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Ive always wondered why Philips makes high end flat panels for the European market, but abandoned the US. shrugs


What? Philips buys VA and IPS Panels from other Companey (LG etc) did they really make own Panels? Never heard about that.

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What? Philips buys VA and IPS Panels from other Companey (LG etc) did they really make own Panels? Never heard about that.

Flat Panel TV sets.

From what I understand....Philips used to partner with LG and used a lot of their S-IPS panels on their sets back in the day.

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Flat Panel TV sets.

From what I understand....Philips used to partner with LG and used a lot of their S-IPS panels on their sets back in the day.


Thank you :) really interesting its the first time i heard about that.

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Anyone know when a 42" or 50" size will be available for this model in the US? I'm not interested in 55" because it is simply too big for my bedroom.

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Aside from removing 3D what exactly did they do to dull it down?

Im just assuming that since 3d was stripped, other things were too. Hopefully thats not the case. We really just need a professional US reviewer to review this set.
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That site claims the L7400U has just eight local dimming zones, however, if that review is correct, this tv has a input lag of 7.8ms when measured in the middle! eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif Im sold. The 4k version may actually live up to the incredibly low input lag claim. cool.gif


That is not the same set on the Polish site. The Polish site is showing the Z8 equivalent. The US 55L7400U is equivalent to the cheaper J8.

55L7400U/J8:



55L7453D/Z8

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^^^ Exactly what I suspected.
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^^^ Exactly what I suspected.

The funny thing is the Z8 is only like $200 more and seems to add many features. Passive 3D, 480hz Clearscan, CEVO DUO. And a full black bezel instead of the stupid silver bottom of the L7400U/J8.

55L7400U/J8




55L7453D/Z8

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Hopefully they bring it to the US, otherwise, Toshiba is just falling further and further behind.
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That is not the same set on the Polish site. The Polish site is showing the Z8 equivalent. The US 55L7400U is equivalent to the cheaper J8.
How did you determine that? The J8 does not have local dimming, but Toshiba says the L7400 does. The Z8 also has local dimming. I initially thought the L7400 was the J8 by the lack of 3D, but the local dimming suggests otherwise.
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How did you determine that? The J8 does not have local dimming, but Toshiba says the L7400 does. The Z8 also has local dimming. I initially thought the L7400 was the J8 by the lack of 3D, but the local dimming suggests otherwise.

Maybe the L7400 doesn't even have local dimming? There is no mention of it in the manual. The bezel is also the same as the J8. We were most likely duped. smile.gif
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Maybe the L7400 doesn't even have local dimming? There is no mention of it in the manual. The bezel is also the same as the J8. We were most likely duped. smile.gif

If i end up buying this set, which will most likely be the case, i am SOOO painting the bezel and stand black, i can't stand any silver being on my TV. terrible design choice imo.
And i don't care anymore, even if the L7400U doesn't have local dimming....I'm just too attracted to it's 700nits, 12ms of lag, deep blacks(as is) and array of PQ controls. :P 12ms of lag....I mean, that's near unheard of! tongue.gif
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Maybe the L7400 doesn't even have local dimming? There is no mention of it in the manual. The bezel is also the same as the J8. We were most likely duped. smile.gif
That would be quite the misleading bit of advertising. The CES press release says it is as well as the product page. Also, quern seems to describe local dimming behavior.
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The bezel is also the same as the J8.

So is the bezel of the European L7453.

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Maybe the L7400 doesn't even have local dimming? There is no mention of it in the manual. The bezel is also the same as the J8. We were most likely duped. smile.gif
That would be quite the misleading bit of advertising. The CES press release says it is as well as the product page. Also, quern seems to describe local dimming behavior.

You cannot have blooming/haloing without local dimming (or pseudo-local dimming in the case of edge-lit panels).
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In the picture of the carton back in this post, I can make out most of the hype terms from the press release: ClearScan, CQ Engine, Radiance Full Array LED, SuperBright, Wide (Gamut), Labyrinth. I do not, however, see "Quantum Black Local Dimming". qern, do you see that on the carton anywhere, or any mention of local dimming?

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How did you determine that? The J8 does not have local dimming, but Toshiba says the L7400 does. The Z8 also has local dimming. I initially thought the L7400 was the J8 by the lack of 3D, but the local dimming suggests otherwise.


Both the J8 and Z8 have local dimming. They just call it Direct type LED over there. One the Polish site the bezel is black all the way around like the Z8 and has the CEVO DUO.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.toshiba.co.jp/regza/lineup/j8/index_j.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DToshiba%2Bj8%26client%3Dubuntu%26hs%3DFd4%26channel%3Dfs%26biw%3D1344%26bih%3D730
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So is the bezel of the European L7453.

No it is not. The bezel on the J8/7400U is black on the top and sides and the bottom is silver. The Z8/L7453 has a black bezel all the way around. They are both on silver stands.

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Maybe the L7400 doesn't even have local dimming? There is no mention of it in the manual. The bezel is also the same as the J8. We were most likely duped. smile.gif

They both have local dimming and I would assume same number of zone and LEDs.

So just to recap:

Japan J8= US L7400U
Japan Z8= Europe L7453

Z8 adds Passive 3D, 480hz Clearscan, CEVO DUO
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