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I also updated over USB. I think they are updating the firmware even more because the ultraflix app for Sony is supposedly going to be added to that release. And this will likely coincide with the new 2015 models being released. Just my guess.
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OK Folks, just spoke w/Sony customer support, & my rep indicated their servers will be updated, & available to download 294 in about 2 weeks. My sense is this guy was really open, honest, & sincere. Hope this helps-Jerry
Does that mean we can expect a prompt on the screen to allow an automatic download?
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Does that mean we can expect a prompt on the screen to allow an automatic download?
Yes Sir, same as prior updates.
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Naturally - the DTS Core is a standard 1.5mb DTS track like you'd get on a normal DTS (non-MA) disc...
Now the reason the TV doesn't support it... is likely because DTS equipment must all be licensed depending on its capabilities, and since none of the original content on the TV produces DTS sound (ie. not OTA broadcasts, not Netflix, not Crackle), then a DTS license must have seemed like a pointless expense.
It seems a shame they can't just pass along the bitstream. Licensing makes sense, tho.

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... and how all that disappeared years ago, and how they can only bitstream those tracks now. It's the cost involved.



You may be selecting the DTS-HD MA track, but you'd still be getting the normal 1.5mbit core track over optical (it is technically impossible to squeeze DTS HD MA over optical). But yes, it's going to sound WAY better than PCM stereo. Prior to the HD sound formats, full 1.5mbit DTS was the best quality sound you can get (and it's still very good) ...
But at least I don't get "silence" out of the TV speakers, should I not turn on the receiver. I haven't noticed that so far.

I like the DTS core track just fine; it's a huge improvement over the downmixed version!

BTW, someone asked me a while ago about if I had any lip sync problems. It's very close for normal movies, but for 3D, it's way off. My receiver has the ability to set an offset, but I'm afraid that if I set it for 3d, it'll be off for normal discs.
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Guys, when my 65x850b has sat for a few hours, I get a popping sound almost every time I turn it on. The popping sound doesn't occur the moment I turn on the set dut occurs the second the picture comes on. It comes from the area where the hdmi plugs are in the back. Everything seems fine otherwise. If the set is warm, popping sound will not occur. Mainly occurs aster the set has been off for at least an hour or longer.

Any ideas? Anyone notice any popping sounds coming from the back of their set?
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Guys, when my 65x850b has sat for a few hours, I get a popping sound almost every time I turn it on. The popping sound doesn't occur the moment I turn on the set dut occurs the second the picture comes on. It comes from the area where the hdmi plugs are in the back. Everything seems fine otherwise. If the set is warm, popping sound will not occur. Mainly occurs aster the set has been off for at least an hour or longer.

Any ideas? Anyone notice any popping sounds coming from the back of their set?
they had firmware updates in the 1080p 2013 Bravia R models for sound popping in the speakers (11 mo into the model year)
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they had firmware updates in the 1080p 2013 Bravia R models for sound popping in the speakers (11 mo into the model year)
Not sure it's coming from speakers. Seems to be coming from the area where the hdmi connections are. Maybe the speakers are near there?
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Is there a recommended colorspace to use for devices? I have an Oppo 103D and it has Auto, RGB Video, RGB PC, YCbCr 444, and YCbCr 422. I've had it on Auto so far.
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Is there a recommended colorspace to use for devices? I have an Oppo 103D and it has Auto, RGB Video, RGB PC, YCbCr 444, and YCbCr 422. I've had it on Auto so far.

For any kind of video, YCbCr 422 is recommended, as it involves minimal conversion (video is stored natively 420). Auto is likely choosing YCbCr 444, which isn't bad, but involves upsampling that the TV could probably do better.
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Not sure it's coming from speakers. Seems to be coming from the area where the hdmi connections are. Maybe the speakers are near there?

Never heard popping. There is the occasional clicking of a relay, but that's it.
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Is there a recommended colorspace to use for devices? I have an Oppo 103D and it has Auto, RGB Video, RGB PC, YCbCr 444, and YCbCr 422. I've had it on Auto so far.
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Actually these are Chroma sub sampling settings


Anything outside of 16-235 ...(0-16) is "blacker than black" (black below (016) reference black ) and (235-255)is "whiter than white (rec 709) 235 white

1080p ATSC HDTV /DTV /DVD(all) are YCbCr 4:2:0 with Blue Ray at YCbCr 4:2:2 ( all are 16-235 ) .

Nothing wrong with having these YCbCr 16-235 sources set accordingly nothing beyond that for TV to "see" or display anyway
( most are fixed though )



*some PC apps and games are either or YCbCr 4:4:4 or 0-255 full RGB .


Presumably RGB vidio on the Oppo is RGB limited aka RGB 16-235 and RGB PC = RGB 0-255 aka full RGB .(for PC display *other than 1080p* PC display which usually calls for YCbCr 4:4:4 ( 0-255 )

Most game consoles are YCbCr 4:4:4 .

Most Sony 1080p TV support YCbCr 4:4:4 at least when it sees a game console or PC on whatever HDMI ports that supports that .

ofc 4K 2160p HDR TV would presumably be 2160p /30 /60 YCbCr 4:4:4 on the HDMI ports that support that .

HDR and 2160p YCbCr 4:4:4 *and /or* HDR 2160p YCbCr 4:2:2 on Sony is subject to firmware updates later in 2015 ( for X940C/X930C HDR sets only ) with YCbCr 4:4:4 ( 4K Blue Ray) , YCbCr 4:2:2 ( 1080p Blue Ray) and YCbCr 4:2:0 (all other 1080p TV ) sources supported as usual (subject to verification or change ) Sony Firmware update might be limited to 2160p YCbCr 4:2:2
That's the way it seems to be shaking out presently .Only thing that uses 2160p YCbCr 4:4:4 is a higher end PC video card anyway .

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The PQ with my 70 is outstanding. Adjusting color pop of course is individualistic but I try and get mine to be as I see things in nature. I watch a lot of sports so I know what color the grass usually really is. Unless I'm watching a Boise State home game. I see very little clouding or edge bleed. I don't know where Sony buys their VA panels for the 70x and 70b but I've had both and radial banding is prevalent with both. I'm actually having my 70x replaced shortly. Every other aspect of this TV is terrific. Active 3D is fine and motion is nicely handled. Everybody has settings they like so sharing mine wouldn't help much. I know the advantages of the ISP technology but for me the VA suits my taste in PQ. I do not sit very far off center and 70 inches allows for a little more leeway.
I may have to back off a bit on my statement regarding motion handling. As I sit here watching boxing the motion blur is pretty pronounced. I suppose it could be the broadcast but rapid hand and head movement equals noticeable blurring.
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Yup same problem here. I have a brand new Marantz and my old Pioneer ARC didn't work MOST of the time either. Sometimes I could get it to work depending by plugging and unplugging the cables while it was playing content. In the end I got fed up and hooked up an optical cable to get it over with. ARC doesn't carry that high audio quality anyway so stick to optical.
ARC is working on my XBR-55X850b and 3 year old Yamaha RX-v567. It took awhile to figure out the right settings but it is stable. I remember avoiding Bravia Sync settings and IR blaster settings and it finally worked along with ARC for an old cheap Insignia Blu Ray player. I haven't tried an optical connection to see if the sound is better. I'm using the receivers 7 channel surround enhancer setting and it sounds very good.
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What happens when HDR content comes this year for our XBR b series TV's? Are we just not going to see it? Will it play but we won't get to see the benefit of HDR? I'm a bit concerned about Sony's move to Android and our TV's continuing to be support on the old OS as well. Thoughts?
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Not in my case I used 2 old USB drive 1gb each and still not working. Will see if Sony one what I'm waiting for will resolve issue.
Are you unzipping the file as directed in the instructions? The bin file needs to be on the root of the USB drive.
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Software question...

Does anyone know if you are able to download applications onto the tv outside the actuall sony option? I wouldl ove to add ESPN or showtime app into it? Anyone got any ideas?
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Actually these are Chroma sub sampling settings that have color "ranges " within which (color /grey scale gradations occur ) .

Difference from the respective are 4:4:4 =(0-255) and 4:2:2 = (16-235) Chroma sub sampling "ranges ".

Anything outside of 16-235 ...(0-16) is "blacker than black" (black below (016) reference black ) and (235-255)is "whiter than white (rec 709) 235 white

1080p ATSC HDTV (all) /DVD/BD are all YcBcCr 4:2:2 ( 16-235 )

Nothing wrong with having these YbCbr 2:2:2 16-235 sources set accordingly nothing beyond that for TV to "see" or dispay anyway

*some PC apps and games are either or YbCbr 4:4:4 (for TV ) (0-255 full RGB presumably (RGB PC)on the Oppo. (for PC display *other than 1080p* which calls for YbCbr 4:4:4( 0-255 )

Presumably RGB vidio on the Oppo is RGB limited aka RGB 16-235 just like YbCbr 4:4:2 most game consoles are YbCbr 4:4:4 .

Most Sony support YbCbR 4:4:4: on 1080p and short of HDR presumably the same on 2160p.

ofc 4K 2160p HDR TV would presumably be YbCbr 4:4:4 with RbCbr 2:2:2 sources supported as usual

note: RbCbr 2:2:2 is within the range of RbCbr 4:4:4 whereas 0-255 to 16-235 display or panel will clip (at least ) outside of 16-235
Hmm... first, what's with the references to "RbCbr 2:2:2"? Not only does Google not find any meaningful usage of the term "RbCbr", but there is no such thing as 2:2:2. The first "2" would, quite literally, specify a half resolution image. Like 960x1080 blown up to 1920x1080, and then stored that way.

Also, and someone can certainly correct me on this, but the difference between 4:4:4 and 4:2:2 is not the specified color space range (full vs video/limited), but rather the sampled resolution of the video signal's component elements. It's used as a means of increasing compression by utilizing a full-resolution black and white image (the Y, or first "4"), with overlaid lower resolution color information. YCbCr, as a format, is "by default" specified to contain limited color space for video sources (16-235), although it CAN contain full range.

For a visual representation of the difference between what information 4:4:4 and 4:2:2 (and 4:2:0) contains, please see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_...ems_and_ratios

All current video is produced with 4:2:0 subsampling, so anything higher than that isn't actually needed. 4:2:2 involves the least manipulation of the picture, so is typically a good choice for Blu-ray viewing.
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Hmm... first, what's with the references to ""? Not only does Google not find any meaningful usage of the term "RbCbr", but there is no such thing as 2:2:2. The first "2" would, quite literally, specify a half resolution image. Like 960x1080 blown up to 1920x1080, and then stored that way.

RbCbr 2:2:2 was supposed be YCbCr 4:2:2 ur right no such thing as 2:2:2: either , double major brain fart here


You are likely right about the other stuff also maybe I should read up some more
Think I will edit my post thanks for pointing out my mistakes .

I just keep my PC at YCbCr 4:4:4 for the 27" PC display (that was mfr suggestion) and it calibrated using AVS HD709 within that range .

I set black at 016 but it clipped the whites before 255 can't remember exactly where.

I have the PC to Sony 1080p tv that supports YCbCr 4:4:4 at same it and the PS3 at YCbCr 4:4:4 also.

The TV calibrated from 016 to maybe 240 or so , it may have been able to go higher but that probably would raise the blacks and or clip some color gradations from what I remember and I didn't see any need for that the primary use is TV anyway with PC being secondary .

Other sources are fixed and not user adjustable here.

I was of the understanding that YCbCr 4:4:4: is 0-255 and YCbCr 4:2:2 is 16-235. I'm presently understanding YCbCr 4:2:0 is also 16-235 .
Good to know about the YCbCR 4:4:4:vs YCbCr 4:2:2 vs YCbCr 4:2:0 as it applies to consumer Vidio and Blue Ray maybe I'll finally get it straight

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What happens when HDR content comes this year for our XBR b series TV's? Are we just not going to see it? Will it play but we won't get to see the benefit of HDR? I'm a bit concerned about Sony's move to Android and our TV's continuing to be support on the old OS as well. Thoughts?
HDR and 2160p YCbCr 4:4:4 *and /or* HDR 2160p YCbCr 4:2:2 on Sony is subject to firmware updates later in 2015
( for X940C/X930C HDR sets only ) with YCbCr 4:4:4 ( 4K Blue Ray) , YCbCr 4:2:2 ( 1080p Blue Ray) and YCbCr 4:2:0 (all other 1080p TV ) sources supported as usual (subject to verification or change ) Sony Firmware update might be limited to 2160p YCbCr 4:2:2
That's the way it seems to be shaking out presently on the (2 ) 2015 sets .Only thing that uses 2160p YCbCr 4:4:4 is a higher end PC video card anyway .

No info on the 2014 XBR as it relates to HDR that I'm aware of anyway. ofc that's not saying they might not take care of those 2014 either .
( if they can ) the above updates are specific to the (2 ) 2015 sets .

AFAIK the (OLD TV OS) will continue to be supported and used in *some * 2015 Sony .

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Guys, when my 65x850b has sat for a few hours, I get a popping sound almost every time I turn it on. The popping sound doesn't occur the moment I turn on the set dut occurs the second the picture comes on. It comes from the area where the hdmi plugs are in the back. Everything seems fine otherwise. If the set is warm, popping sound will not occur. Mainly occurs aster the set has been off for at least an hour or longer.

Any ideas? Anyone notice any popping sounds coming from the back of their set?
I assume your set still has a warranty ? Call Sony out for free and have them take a look.........
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I just keep my PC at YCbCr 4:4:4 for the 27" PC display (that was mfr suggestion) and it calibrated using AVS HD709 within that range .

You definitely want 4:4:4 for a PC, at least so long as you plan on doing something other than pure video output. Otherwise, fine graphic elements can appear blurry/fuzzy.

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No info on the 2014 XBR as it relates to HDR that I'm aware of anyway. ofc that's not saying they might not take care of those 2014 either .
( if they can ) the above updates are specific to the (2 ) 2015 sets .

Yeah, future format support is still a big question mark for the X850B.


For example, we know the set can support 4k 4:2:0 @ 60hz, and 4:4:4 @ 30hz. We also know the set can accept 10 or 12-bit content at 1080p, and has a means of reproducing it in a fashion that looks better than 8-bit content (even if the panel itself may not be true 10-bit).


But what about 4k 10-bit content (which will still be encoded 4:2:0)? Can that be accepted in any format - like maybe 4k 10-bit 4:2:0 @ 24hz? I think that would be a very practical solution for users, since the overwhelming majority of 4K BDs are going to be at 24hz anyways.
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You definitely want 4:4:4 for a PC, at least so long as you plan on doing something other than pure video output. Otherwise, fine graphic elements can appear blurry/fuzzy.




Yeah, future format support is still a big question mark for the X850B.


For example, we know the set can support 4k 4:2:0 @ 60hz, and 4:4:4 @ 30hz. We also know the set can accept 10 or 12-bit content at 1080p, and has a means of reproducing it in a fashion that looks better than 8-bit content (even if the panel itself may not be true 10-bit).


But what about 4k 10-bit content (which will still be encoded 4:2:0)? Can that be accepted in any format - like maybe 4k 10-bit 4:2:0 @ 24hz? I think that would be a very practical solution for users, since the overwhelming majority of 4K BDs are going to be at 24hz anyways.
Just rechecked TV and PC calibrated black and white in here both are at 016 black and the TV made 252 and the PC 253 on white without any significant color gradation clipping . Both passed the Sony color blind test also ( I have the downloaded test files ) but it's on You Tube pretty slick for setting color saturation easily . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCZsJdfSHs

AFAIK 2015 X940C/X930C 10 bit 2160p is going to be 2160p/30 2160p/60 at 4:2:2 and maybe 4:2:0 .

Here is the latest... AFAIK from Sony on the (2) 2015 X940C/X930C HDR thing ...looks like it presently has 2160p/24


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The X930C and X940C series will also be compatible with High Dynamic Range (HDR) content via a network update this summer. HDR is an emerging video format that can display a wider range of brightness levels which will allow content creators, such as movie directors, to expand their range of creativity. HDR content will be available from major video service providers like Amazon and Netflix this year. With Sony’s unique technology, X-tended Dynamic Range™ PRO (75-inch model) and X-tended Dynamic Range (65-inch model), customers can enjoy a peak brightness of LED as well as deeper blacks, providing them with a superior viewing experience compared to that of normal HDR video sources as well as any other video source.
more: http://www.sonyrumors.net/2015/04/20...30c-and-x940c/
Looks like some 2160p /24 is there
Below is from the 2015 X940C/X930C owners manual as it is presently without the updates as posted by timc1475 more here :
"Official" 2015 Sony XBR-65X930C / XBR-75X940C Thread

HDMI IN 1/2/3/4 (Support 4K resolution)
Video (2D):
4096 × 2160p (60Hz)*1*2, 4096 × 2160p(24 Hz)*2,
3840 × 2160p (60 Hz)*1, 3840 × 2160p (24, 30 Hz),
1080p (30, 60 Hz), 1080/24p, 1080i (60 Hz),
720p (30, 60 Hz), 720/24p, 480p, 480i, PC Formats
*1 YCbCr 4:2:0 / 8bit only
*2 3840 × 2160p is displayed when 4096 × 2160p is input

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Just rechecked TV and PC black and white both are at 016 black and the TV made 252 and the PC 253 on white without any color gradation clipping . Both passed the Sony color blind test also ( I have the downloaded test files ) but it's in You tube pretty slick for setting color saturation easily . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCZsJdfSHs

That's probably the so-called "super whites" you can get. I think the PS3/4 have a setting to enable/disable it.
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That's probably the so-called "super whites" you can get. I think the PS3/4 have a setting to enable/disable it.
Thats true PS 3 has that 'whiter than white" or "super white " YCbCr 4:4:4

What do you think I should output Chroma wise ( PC to 1080p TV HDMI ) when using the PC for on line HD TV shows and stuff like that in PC browser when I'm not using the Roku or STB .It's working well now at YCbCr 4:4:4

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Thats true PS 3 has that 'whiter than white" or "super white " YbCbr 4:4:4

What do you think I should output Chroma wise ( PC to TV HDMI ) when using the PC for on line HD TV shows and stuff like that when I'm not using the Roku or STB .
Depends what you're using the PC for. The purist in me says to keep the chroma as close to the original as you can. But it's a PC, and you're talking about online streaming which isn't exactly BD quality in the first place... and on the off chance that you use the PC for anything more than video, I'd say you'll be fine leaving it at 4:4:4.

On your STBs, if given a choice I would go 4:2:2, but the most important choice is to simply pick component vs RGB in the first place. And if you do have to pick RGB (like I do on my Chromebox), definitely make sure it's outputting limited vs full color space, otherwise your videos will undergo multiple color space conversions - which in the case of Kodi, are **far from transparent** as I've discovered.
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Just got the 850B and am very pleased. Running a typical home theater setup with cable box, Sony DH 550 receiver and a Panasonic Blu-ray. Controlling all with a Harmony 650 remote. When I turn the set off, a brief message shows that the system is returning to TV speakers. When next turned on, the system is on the TV speakers. Once I change the volume up or down, the home theater sound is engaged but the TV shows that "TV speakers" are set. Not a major issue but is there a way to maintain a "fixed" audio system" setting? Thanks.
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Just got the 850B and am very pleased. Running a typical home theater setup with cable box, Sony DH 550 receiver and a Panasonic Blu-ray. Controlling all with a Harmony 650 remote. When I turn the set off, a brief message shows that the system is returning to TV speakers. When next turned on, the system is on the TV speakers. Once I change the volume up or down, the home theater sound is engaged but the TV shows that "TV speakers" are set. Not a major issue but is there a way to maintain a "fixed" audio system" setting? Thanks.
Turn Bravia Sync off. [HOME>SETTINGS>CHANNELS & INPUTS>BRAVIA Sync Settings].

Then make sure that the Speakers setting is set to Audio System. [HOME>SETTINGS>SOUND>SPEAKERS].

(you may need to turn Bravia Sync off on the DH550 as well. It may be called something else, like HDMI Control or CEC, on the DH550.)

I ran into a similar issue with my Yamaha RX-A1040.

The Harmony 650 should be able to turn both TV and AVR on and off in sequence, making HDMI Control (bravia sync) somewhat redundant.
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Depends what you're using the PC for. The purist in me says to keep the chroma as close to the original as you can. But it's a PC, and you're talking about online streaming which isn't exactly BD quality in the first place... and on the off chance that you use the PC for anything more than video, I'd say you'll be fine leaving it at 4:4:4.



On your STBs, if given a choice I would go 4:2:2, but the most important choice is to simply pick component vs RGB in the first place. And if you do have to pick RGB (like I do on my Chromebox), definitely make sure it's outputting limited vs full color space, otherwise your videos will undergo multiple color space conversions - which in the case of Kodi, are **far from transparent** as I've discovered.
Cool I think I tried 4:4:4: vs 4:2:2 on the PC to TV and didn't notice any difference on video content all my sources and PC to TV's here are HDMI . I also use this PC for photo viewing ,web content and (handicam viewing sometimes) and on line HD TV video otherwise not avail on Roku but no serious editing at all on this 27" PC monitor or sent to the 1080p TV or multi task with both screens .

STB's are fixed (Dish) only can change 1080i/720p I belive Roku in here is RGB 16-235 I use that for Netflix etc. in here,. I think the SoC in it uses maybe 5 watts and pix is good ,

I use the PC ODD for DVD in this room if they aren't already on NAS and PS 3 for Netflix /DVD/BD ,games and driving sims on the 1080p Sammy plasma in frt rm .Everything is HDMI there also except Toslink from TV to 5.1 AVR and Toslink from TV to 5.1 in here .

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I can't believe sony still hasn't posed the new firmware in automatic update. What the heck are they doing over there?
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I can't believe sony still hasn't posed the new firmware in automatic update. What the heck are they doing over there?
I would imagine their IT dept here in the US has multiple hoops to jump through now after the breech.
Europe has been a few years ahead with security, that is why I think they have it already. We might be waiting for more user facing aspects of their network to be hardened before we see it.

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