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post #541 of 2471 Old 07-31-2014, 07:05 PM
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A reflective screen is probably just the nature of the type of screen it is. If it's not matt then it will be reflective. As for the other problems I would say that you have a bad TV. Even though most would try different calibrations I have heard that this set is quite nice right out of the box. Your set certainly sounds nasty. I would try another one before you completely give up though. Very few are unhappy with their 65x850b's. The odds are in your favor.
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Got the 65x850b yesterday. Sadly to say I will be returning the unit tomorrow. Hopefully I got a bad unit because the picture quality is sub-par. Set it up next to my 5yr old 47in Vizio LED and the Visio has better colors and sharper picture. I'm not quite sure how to explain what the image looks like, kind of blurry I guess. All text, banners or scrolling text like on ESPN has a grainy shadow around it. Same grainy outline around people as well, guess all objects have a grainy outline. Camera sweeps on any media cause a blocky pixel affect. The image actually reminds me of the old rear projector TVs. I kind of overlap of colors. I've uploaded some photos, but taking photos of a TV image is pretty difficult. Tried to capture the ghosting around text and yellow outline around certain object. Also, the screen is very reflective, almost Un-watchable during the day.
You may want to go into the menu and change up a few things. I checked out the 55 inch one in-store at Best Buy and had to turn off a lot of settings in order to make it look normal. After I did that, I even made sure to tell the employee that when the TV had all that processing junk turned off, it actually looked like it was worth buying.

As someone already mentioned, you might want to bring down the sharpness. That's usually what causes the halos you're seeing

I would recommend, though, that first, you make sure the following is also done:

• Noise Reduction: Off
• MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
• Dot Noise Reduction: Off
• Reality Creation: Off
• Mastered in 4K: Off
• Noise Filtering: Off
• Smooth Gradation: Off
• Motion Flow: Off
• CineMotion: Off

Via Advanced Settings (if you still think the picture is weird looking)
• Detail Enhancer: Off
• Edge Enhancer: Off
• Skin Naturatlizer: Off
• Live Color: Off
• Clear White: Off
• White Balance: Off
• Auto Light Limiter: Off
• LED Dynamic Control: Off (You'll probably want this one ON at some point)

It may be that you would actually like some of the things you turned off, but by starting with them off, you can better calibrate your set (color, brightness, contrast, sharpness) and start with a nice base. That way, you can turn on individual picture "enhancement" settings to see if they are to your liking.

Hope this helps. I've been looking forward to getting this set and pictures you posted were alarming to look at.
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A reflective screen is probably just the nature of the type of screen it is. If it's not matt then it will be reflective.
Most sets have gone to the glossy screen. very hard to find a matte screen now-a-days.
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Hi I just odered a 65X8505b (european version).

Im going to use a computer as the only source. Anyone tested using a computer?

No problem outputing 1920x1080 Full RGB 4:4:4 to it using HDMI right?

Got me a bit worried that it might no support 4K in 4:4:4...

But it does support 1080P 4:4:4 full RGB right?

Anyone tested to feed it 3840 x 2160 from the computer? How did you do it? DP to HDMI 2.0 adapter?

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Most sets have gone to the glossy screen. very hard to find a matte screen now-a-days.
That is a very interesting comment and since it's coming from you I certainly beleive it. I have been led to beleive that VA panels were glossy and IPS panels were more matted thus providing better bright room and off axis viewing, while the VA panels provided better blacks and a higher contrast ratio. I mentioned earlier that the panel designation on my soon to be replaced 70w850b is ND4Y700LNX0101. This panel seems to less reflective (more matted) then the 65w850a it replaced which I beleive has the Samsung S-PVA panel. Are todays IPS panels becoming more reflective or are VA panels becoming more commonly used?
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Ive been following this thread since almost the word go, so my bad if I missed this already being addressed, but I cannot find Vudu in apps, is it possible that app isn't available? I would be VERY disappointed if that were the case, i have a lot of movies on Vudu and i like the service, but I have triple checked and even searched by name and it just doesn't seem to be there. ANy input?
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Ive been following this thread since almost the word go, so my bad if I missed this already being addressed, but I cannot find Vudu in apps, is it possible that app isn't available? I would be VERY disappointed if that were the case, i have a lot of movies on Vudu and i like the service, but I have triple checked and even searched by name and it just doesn't seem to be there. ANy input?
For some reason, Vudu has been dropped from Sony's TV line. It's offered on their Bluray players and and some of the Home Theater systems, but not on televisions.
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My 70x850b should ship from Sony this week. Hopefully I'll have it by next Tuesday. It looks a lot like the 70w850b that it's replacing. Right down to the adjustable black stand and the active 3d. Since this will be my 5th big screen Sony in the last 12 months I've a pretty good idea how to set it up. I will let you know what this baby looks like up close and personal. Too bad I live in Phoenix instead of the Cleveland area or I'd see if Chris would be interested in doing that free calibration. I have a good selection of 3d movies, blu-rays to audition the set. I'm a sports nut and get my signal via the Hopper. Also getting the FMPX10. I'll check for build date and panel type also, even though my current 70w850b has a panel designation of ND4Y700LNX0101 which nobody seems to have any information on.
Look forward to seeing what you have to say about this unit, as I am moving into a new house this month and seriously considering this TV. I Currently have the Sony KDL55HX850, which is great, but the viewing distance will increase in the new family room so figured the 70X850B might be the way to go (and make the jump to 4K).

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Sony X850B vs Samsung HU9000?

I am considering the 65" model for each and wanted to get thoughts for those who chose one over the other... is there a clear cut answer?
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I am considering the 65" model for each and wanted to get thoughts for those who chose one over the other... is there a clear cut answer?
I've seen them both side by side.
The Sony blows it away colour wise and you can see more detail that way.
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I really need an answer since there is no HDMI 2.0 graphics cards yet. Can this screen do 3840×2160 Full RGB (4:4:4) used as a desktop monitor?

Or will HDCP 2.2 limit everything so that Full RGB is not usable? If that is the case the Panasonic AX800 should be better as a monitor.

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Price drop:
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Prices are good until Sept 6, 2014

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Im new to this forum but registered just to thank everyone. My Panasonic Plasma circuit boards blew out after 18 months. I spent 700 to fix them then 18 months later they blew out again. I spent days searching reviews, going to box stores, etc... Usually im frugal and make a purchase on need and not having to have the top of line, but TV is serious business for me. After reading everything and finding this forum, i went with the xbr55x850b. I am so happy. This tv had gorgeous colors, and i cant believe the inky black levels are equal to my beloved Panasonic. I dont watch 3d so i cant comment, but in all other viewing this tv is so beautiful its like meeting my wife again for the first time. I get nervous when anyone else touches my remote. I have no flashlighting, clouding, banding or anything else. My nephew bought a Samsung 8550 three weeks ago and is taking it back. If the 950 did not have those speakers on it i would have bought that one, but im so happy with this im ok. Next year if Sony makes it without the speakers i will move this to my bedroom and buy a 70" to replace this one.

I have one question. My sound bar blocks the tv so i want a new sub and side speakers. I just want decent, not super expensive and overkill. Anyone have suggestions?
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Hi I just odered a 65X8505b (european version).

Im going to use a computer as the only source. Anyone tested using a computer?

No problem outputing 1920x1080 Full RGB 4:4:4 to it using HDMI right?

Got me a bit worried that it might no support 4K in 4:4:4...

But it does support 1080P 4:4:4 full RGB right?

Anyone tested to feed it 3840 x 2160 from the computer? How did you do it? DP to HDMI 2.0 adapter?
When you get it, I would be interested to hear how the picture controls are set up with a PC over HDMI. On my Sony XBR6 many of the picture adjustment settings are grayed out and not useable. I have an XBR1 where they are not, so even Sony can't seem to decide. Would much appreciate your report!
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Hey, since the price drop im looking into this. Anyone know the lag input on this set?
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Sony X850B vs X850A

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Price drop:
65X850B-$2999.99
55X850B-$1999.99
Prices are good until Sept 6, 2014



This is the continuing downward movement of 4K prices. The pricing will not go back up. Samsung prices are also moving downward. There will be at least two or more price drops before the end of the year.


Sony and other manufactures designed these TV's for 2014 with the understanding that the prices will drop. On the newX850B series (vs. older X850A) Sony designed the sets to cut costs to be able to sell them at a lower price. They changed zone dimming to frame dimming, dropped the Deep Black Panel to an LG IPS panel, changed the Motion Flow from 960 to 240, building the sets in Mexico instead of Japan, cut back on the quantity of speakers from 5 speakers to 2 speakers and using Triluminos displays without the quantum dots technology. Sony did add the new 4k connectivity to the new series and some new features. Sony now has a good (x850B), better (X900B), best (X950B) series where last year they just had two series which were almost identical in picture performance but only distinguished by speakers on the side.


But the picture quality on the new series still looks great and is very competitive with the competition at its price point. Now more people can afford them.
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Prices are good until Sept 6, 2014
Any word on the 70" set? Please be $3999.99..

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When you get it, I would be interested to hear how the picture controls are set up with a PC over HDMI. On my Sony XBR6 many of the picture adjustment settings are grayed out and not useable. I have an XBR1 where they are not, so even Sony can't seem to decide. Would much appreciate your report!
Sure I will post back Only think I don't think I will be able to test 3840x2160 due to lack of DP to HDMI 2.0 adapters. But I will test 1920x1080.

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This is the continuing downward movement of 4K prices. The pricing will not go back up. Samsung prices are also moving downward. There will be at least two or more price drops before the end of the year.


Sony and other manufactures designed these TV's for 2014 with the understanding that the prices will drop. On the newX850B series (vs. older X850A) Sony designed the sets to cut costs to be able to sell them at a lower price. They changed zone dimming to frame dimming, dropped the Deep Black Panel to an LG IPS panel, changed the Motion Flow from 960 to 240, building the sets in Mexico instead of Japan, cut back on the quantity of speakers from 5 speakers to 2 speakers and using Triluminos displays without the quantum dots technology. Sony did add the new 4k connectivity to the new series and some new features. Sony now has a good (x850B), better (X900B), best (X950B) series where last year they just had two series which were almost identical in picture performance but only distinguished by speakers on the side.


But the picture quality on the new series still looks great and is very competitive with the competition at its price point. Now more people can afford them.

So basically x850b is def way over priced
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Any word on the 70" set? Please be $3999.99..
Dropped to $4,999.99.
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This is the continuing downward movement of 4K prices. The pricing will not go back up. Samsung prices are also moving downward. There will be at least two or more price drops before the end of the year.


Sony and other manufactures designed these TV's for 2014 with the understanding that the prices will drop. On the newX850B series (vs. older X850A) Sony designed the sets to cut costs to be able to sell them at a lower price. They changed zone dimming to frame dimming, dropped the Deep Black Panel to an LG IPS panel, changed the Motion Flow from 960 to 240, building the sets in Mexico instead of Japan, cut back on the quantity of speakers from 5 speakers to 2 speakers and using Triluminos displays without the quantum dots technology. Sony did add the new 4k connectivity to the new series and some new features. Sony now has a good (x850B), better (X900B), best (X950B) series where last year they just had two series which were almost identical in picture performance but only distinguished by speakers on the side.


But the picture quality on the new series still looks great and is very competitive with the competition at its price point. Now more people can afford them.
The motion flow numbers are a complete gimmick. I do agree that they planned to make the prices more competitive and had to change a few things. I actually find the IPS panel to be much more uniform that last years VA panels. While the blacks are not as deep, uniformity is far more important IMO. The 900A never had zone dimming. It was frame dimming with some tricks to apply local dimming. The 950 is the only one with zone or actual local dimming.
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Sure I will post back Only think I don't think I will be able to test 3840x2160 due to lack of DP to HDMI 2.0 adapters. But I will test 1920x1080.
That will work just fine. Thanks!
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The motion flow numbers are a complete gimmick. I do agree that they planned to make the prices more competitive and had to change a few things. I actually find the IPS panel to be much more uniform that last years VA panels. While the blacks are not as deep, uniformity is far more important IMO. The 900A never had zone dimming. It was frame dimming with some tricks to apply local dimming. The 950 is the only one with zone or actual local dimming.

I agree the performance of this set is great especially when conpared to the competition. According to the Sony Rep they designed this set to go against the simular priced Samsung/LG. Sony wanted a brighter picture to their sets with depth to the picture which they exceeded. But if you want the deep blacks with the higher end performance features you need to go with the X850A, X900B or X950B.
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I agree the performance of this set is great especially when conpared to the competition. According to the Sony Rep they designed this set to go against the simular priced Samsung/LG. Sony wanted a brighter picture to their sets with depth to the picture which they exceeded. But if you want the deep blacks with the higher end performance features you need to go with the X850A, X900B or X950B.
Any evidence they might be bringing any of those in a 49"?
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Any evidence they might be bringing any of those in a 49"?
The A series is no more and the 950 is their flagship, so no chance on either of those. I also would be totally shocked if the 900 series went smaller than 55" since that is also a premium set. I honestly am shocked they went 49" on the 850B. Not to mention that most people who buy the 49" are doing it for size. The 900 would add the speakers, so totally make the size benefit useless.
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Price drop:
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Prices are good until Sept 6, 2014
I bought my 65X850B two weeks ago from the Sony site. After noticing the price drop I call them and they refunded my account $300 with no hassle. That almost covered the wall bracket, HDMI cables and new Blu-Ray.
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So I've had a chance to settle in with the 49-inch xbr850B and overall I would say that I'm rather pleased.

The screen is highly reflective, the black levels/shadow detail not reference standard and when there is no content being fed in there is some clouding, flashlighting, etc. evident.

Yet the off-axis performance is good enough to meet my needs. The colour is excellent. In terms of black level and the like, it's by no means bad. Sometimes, too, I think failings in source material are mistakenly attributed to the TV. It's a case of shooting the messenger. 3D is subject to some peripheral crosstalk but I'm no fan of 3D in any case. Upscaling is rather decent though Standard Def material is rather unsatisfying (handful of cable channels still SD). I can't say if there is an improvement in viewing upconverted 1080i cable content on this set compared to watching it on a good 1080p panel. I'm coming from a 720p xbr4, so I really have no point of reference. Looks good, though, generally speaking. As for flashlighting, etc. it's non-existent when feeding the set material. I did massage the screen rather lightly and it does seem there was a trace of such issue on source material when I first turned on the set that now seems to be gone.

Feed this set a quality signal, calibrate it properly (whatever your version of properly looks like) and the results are quite satisfying. I would say most would be quite thrilled with the results. As 4K content becomes easier to come by, I'm looking forward to some marvellous viewing. In the meantime, though, it's a set that delivers good, often impressive, results with the source material currently in good supply. The colour reproduction, in particular, is quite impressive.

In regards to calibration, I used Joe Kane's Digital Video Essentials bluray. What that led me to is the following settings:

Preselect Cinema 2
Backlight 3
Picture 70
Brightness 48
Color 50
Hue G1
Color Temperature Warm 2
Sharpness 31
Smooth Gradation Low
Reality Creation Auto
Motion Flow True Cinema
CineMotion Auto
Gamma 0
Black Corrector Medium
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Low

Everything else is set to off.

By the way, it makes for a great computer monitor, hooked up to a Mac Mini via HDMI. I have one of the new Mac Pros (aka the Vader trash can) but haven't tried hooking it up to the Sony just yet. Something to play around with when my life settles a bit more.

Bottom line is, going from an xbr4 to this set, I can say that I'm glad I made the change.
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The A series is no more and the 950 is their flagship, so no chance on either of those. I also would be totally shocked if the 900 series went smaller than 55" since that is also a premium set. I honestly am shocked they went 49" on the 850B. Not to mention that most people who buy the 49" are doing it for size. The 900 would add the speakers, so totally make the size benefit useless.
That all makes sense. I don't want speakers as 49" is my max so I will probably move on the 850B if reviews in the next weeks are favorable.
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post
So I've had a chance to settle in with the 49-inch xbr850B and overall I would say that I'm rather pleased.

The screen is highly reflective, the black levels/shadow detail not reference standard and when there is no content being fed in there is some clouding, flashlighting, etc. evident.

Yet the off-axis performance is good enough to meet my needs. The colour is excellent. In terms of black level and the like, it's by no means bad. Sometimes, too, I think failings in source material are mistakenly attributed to the TV. It's a case of shooting the messenger. 3D is subject to some peripheral crosstalk but I'm no fan of 3D in any case. Upscaling is rather decent though Standard Def material is rather unsatisfying (handful of cable channels still SD). I can't say if there is an improvement in viewing upconverted 1080i cable content on this set compared to watching it on a good 1080p panel. I'm coming from a 720p xbr4, so I really have no point of reference. Looks good, though, generally speaking. As for flashlighting, etc. it's non-existent when feeding the set material. I did massage the screen rather lightly and it does seem there was a trace of such issue on source material when I first turned on the set that now seems to be gone.

Feed this set a quality signal, calibrate it properly (whatever your version of properly looks like) and the results are quite satisfying. I would say most would be quite thrilled with the results. As 4K content becomes easier to come by, I'm looking forward to some marvellous viewing. In the meantime, though, it's a set that delivers good, often impressive, results with the source material currently in good supply. The colour reproduction, in particular, is quite impressive.

In regards to calibration, I used Joe Kane's Digital Video Essentials bluray. What that led me to is the following settings:

Preselect Cinema 2
Backlight 3
Picture 70
Brightness 48
Color 50
Hue G1
Color Temperature Warm 2
Sharpness 31
Smooth Gradation Low
Reality Creation Auto
Motion Flow True Cinema
CineMotion Auto
Gamma 0
Black Corrector Medium
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Low

Everything else is set to off.

By the way, it makes for a great computer monitor, hooked up to a Mac Mini via HDMI. I have one of the new Mac Pros (aka the Vader trash can) but haven't tried hooking it up to the Sony just yet. Something to play around with when my life settles a bit more.

Bottom line is, going from an xbr4 to this set, I can say that I'm glad I made the change.
Very thorough and very helpful! Many thanks. Now when the set gets a computer signal via HDMI, are all the picture setting available or do some/many get grayed out, unable to be adjusted?
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